Having to pay for Sydney transfer as flying Jetstar and not Qantas

[medhead]

Domestic air-side sceening is for hand luggage. So if you can get it past the sceening point, security at least has classified it as hand luggage. The airline might disagree at the gate.

I'm not sure they make the distinction at domestic security. They screen whatever is presented. Only say this because of the massive thing that was going into an xray scanner in T3 last Friday afternoon.

Edit: I doubt it would have fit into an overhead locker

 

[Bundy Bear]

I advance purchase my tickets from airport link @$13.40 each way.

Thanks, I am never in Sydney enough to warrant buying a book of 10, the current ones expire 28 Feb 2012. Buy Tickets Online From Airport Link Airport Link

 

[docjames]

This thread (again) highlights (one of) the issues with SYD, and the fact that everyone who lives elsewhere in Australia HATES transfering there (apart from markis10 it seems ). Again this is something QF should address - sydney airport is as much to blame, but when QF wonder why QF international is doing poorly (again, dubious, but for the sake of arguement.....) the need to shunt pax through SYD is a huge turn off for pax from other cities in Australia, particularly when other airlines offer direct flights to their home city, or transits through better airports.

Mind you, Sydney airport could (realatively) easily build a tunnel or walkway adjacent to the perimeter fence perhaps at the north end of the airport but that would cost money and not add direct revenue. But it might make SYD better to transit and then drive long term revenue....... ut that would be long term planning.

 

[markis10]

This thread (again) highlights (one of) the issues with SYD, and the fact that everyone who lives elsewhere in Australia HATES transfering there (apart from markis10 it seems ). Again this is something QF should address - sydney airport is as much to blame, but when QF wonder why QF international is doing poorly (again, dubious, but for the sake of arguement.....) the need to shunt pax through SYD is a huge turn off for pax from other cities in Australia, particularly when other airlines offer direct flights to their home city, or transits through better airports.

I am not sure I would say I dont hate it either, its just better than PER and at the end of the day I realise JQ is not QF, why expect perks on a LCC the same as its full service parent !

 

[straitman]

The transfer buses are never full.

You would think the Bus driver/gate attendants would let you just go through...

I beg to differ...the international-domestic buses are very frequently full, especially in the mornings...

I agree with whughes. The busses are often over full.

 

[tuapekastar]

Should QANTAS and/or JETSTAR be blamed or is it a problem of Sydney Airport. Cannot remember paying anywhere else in the world
for an inter-terminal transfer. Take Singapore , SFO, etc as an examples...............!!!!!!

In the first instance, definitely SYD. I think any airport that has terminals far enough apart to warrant non-pedestrian transfer, then charges for it, automatically falls into the 'sucks big time' category. I think PER and BNE may be a couple that also fall into this category, though not sure.

But QF's capricious behaviour re it's relationship with JQ and vv (i.e. same group when it suits, different companies when it suits) for stuff like inter-terminal transfers is not particularly logical or endearing either.

 

[medhead]

Sorry but how exactly does Sydney airport charge for terminal transfer?

 

[docjames]

why expect perks on a LCC the same as its full service parent !

Beacuse the parent has cut all it's old routes and handed them to the LCC so you have no choice.

 

[TiredOldFlyer]

Sorry but how exactly does Sydney airport charge for terminal transfer?

It not a charge by Sydney Airport but an opportunity to charge by the railway, taxi, bus operator, who of course must pay the private operator a fee.

 

[markis10]

Sorry but how exactly does Sydney airport charge for terminal transfer?

Every commercial vehicle has to pay a fee along with a portion of each train ticket to the tune of 26M a quarter for Map Trust.

 

[harvyk]

But QF's capricious behaviour re it's relationship with JQ and vv (i.e. same group when it suits, different companies when it suits) for stuff like inter-terminal transfers is not particularly logical or endearing either.

Couldn't agree more, and it's the relationship between QF and JQ which I see as QF's undoing...
If JQ had been set up as a separate airline, and at no point did they reference QF's ownership, and at no point was QF pax "accidentially" placed onto a JQ service, then that would be a different story. But how it is now, with JQ saying "we're QF" when it suits them and then saying "we're not QF" when it suits will kill the company, no two ways about it.

 

[kevrosmith]

The train costs $5, paid the transfer fee myself today. (much better than the usual $13.40 to get to the city ) Also more bad news cityrail/ airport link take visa and MasterCard.

I tend to get an International Terminal to City Weekly ticket even if I'm only there two days. Weekly is $49 and then I can use it to get between City and Airport, around City Circle any time and transfer between Terminals any time.. like when I want to pop over to the Lounge to grab some lunch!

That's in comparison to a DOM to INT transfer when I fly in ($5), INT to City ($15.80), next day back to INT from City ($15.80) and then transfer back to DOM to fly out ($5). So I figure the extra $8 I pay for the weekly ticket is saved for the extra time standing in ticket queues and not having the flexibility to get around more often. And then after I get to DOM, I usually hand my weekly ticket onto some person who looks like they need a ticket into the city! That's one benevolent act for the day.

The Airport Link company (private airport train operator) accepts AMEX while CityRail doesn't accept AMEX.

Every commercial vehicle has to pay a fee along with a portion of each train ticket to the tune of 26M a quarter for Map Trust.

When you start talking about commercial vehicles paying a fee, you've moved outside the realm of Airline-run transfer buses and privately operated train lines.

Don't forget that large $$$s are spent in providing the infrastructure for the airlines and operators to allow pax to come and go at airports. People may not realise how expensive it is to overlay the tarmac of a runway and aerobridges are not cheap equipment to purchase and maintain. Why should commercially-operated buses, limousines and other ground transport operators be allowed to get a free ride by not contributing to the cost of the infrastructure which enables them to have passengers to pick-up or drop-off at an airport? Without the infrastructure in place, they wouldn't have a business in the first place. And they didn't have to do anything to get the pax there: the airline did that!

 

[casanovawa]

Ok, the last time i transferred domestically/internationally or vv at SYD was 2004 via the bus, so as i said i don't do it very often and so not up to speed with all the options... Of late when i have flown into SYD domestic for work i just grab a cab to the city so don't much about the train, did see a sign for it in the airport for to the city i think but had no idea you could catch it between terminals...

The bus from Domestic to International terminals is free and just works so well that i never considered it would not work equally well in the other direction so just headed straight for the bus service without even thinking about rail... The Qantas transfer area had counters for checking in suitcases and all so you wouldn't need to carry suitcases on the bus, so went up to the counter to check in my luggage only to be told that Jetstar doesn't qualify for it and i would have to go to bus bay 21 for the transfer bus (be nice if she had suggested "or the train")... i actually asked the lady "Aren't you the same group?" and she said "Well yes" and then started to come up with some tripe so just walked off... The bus cost $5.50 and the sign said it could only be paid in cash, hence going off to get a cash advance...

So went over to T2, then my Jestar flight wasn't open to check in for 2 hours so had to lug my suitcase through security to get to the Qantas Club etc, etc... Anyway, i think they could handle it a bit better...

 

[markis10]

Anyway, i think they could handle it a bit better...

Yes, agree totally, and we wonder why we need tourists who are not visiting!

 

[medhead]

Every commercial vehicle has to pay a fee along with a portion of each train ticket to the tune of 26M a quarter for Map Trust.

Ah. Of course. But that only really explains the high cost of travelling to the airport not a transfer on a train. The trains are run by cityrail and the stations, with access fee, operated by airport link. The cheapest city rail ticket is $3.20. That leaves $1.80 to pay MAP and airport link. How much of that is access fee and how much MAP is anyone's guess. But when the cost of Central to airport is about $15 with an underlying train ticket cost around $4 (central to wolli creek), one of them (or both) has reduced the usual fee for terminal transfers.

 

[medhead]

Anyway, i think they could handle it a bit better...

I also totally agree. Sorry, I thought you got the train. My mistake

I tend to get an International Terminal to City Weekly ticket even if I'm only there two days. Weekly is $49 and then I can use it to get between City and Airport, around City Circle any time and transfer between Terminals any time.. like when I want to pop over to the Lounge to grab some lunch!

yep, that does work well for you. I have thought about popping out for dinner at night to justify a weekly ticket. But can't bring myself to do it.

 

[TiredOldFlyer]

Ah. Of course. But that only really explains the high cost of travelling to the airport not a transfer on a train. The trains are run by cityrail and the stations, with access fee, operated by airport link. The cheapest city rail ticket is $3.20. That leaves $1.80 to pay MAP and airport link. How much of that is access fee and how much MAP is anyone's guess. But when the cost of Central to airport is about $15 with an underlying train ticket cost around $4 (central to wolli creek), one of them (or both) has reduced the usual fee for terminal transfers.

Maybe but our Govt calls all these charges "User Pays" - the consumer calls it "Gouging".

 

[medhead]

Maybe but our Govt calls all these charges "User Pays" - the consumer calls it "Gouging".

Except this has very little to do with the govt. Besides that they "sold off" the airport to MAP. The user paying the govt is MAP. The fees that MAP charges their customers is not user pays from the govt perspective.

Govt User pays is when the govt water authority charges you to install a water meter. Or your rates include a refuse fee, that is charged to council by a state govt.

 

[tuapekastar]

Sorry but how exactly does Sydney airport charge for terminal transfer?

I suspect probably no inter-terminal transfer in the world is free - somewhere, in your airfare for example, or in a separate cash transaction paid direct to the transfer operator, or in some other way, you're paying for it.

However if I turn up to an airport, and need to migrate from one terminal to another (and it is not walkable), I do not expect to have to fork out a separate fee for it, just as if I use a travelator (moving walkway) to get to some far-flung gates in the same terminal I don't expect to pay separately for that. Same goes for travel from the long-term airport carpark. I am in the one airport and I expect (quite reasonably, I think ) not to have to make a separate payment for travel within that airport - how that is structured 'behind the scenes' is not my concern (I'm quite sure SYD gets at least some of it).

DFW, SIN, LHR and AKL are all examples of airports where there is no 'extra' or separate charge to commute between terminals, and this is what I would expect at SYD, and as a transferring pax, the underlying 'who is paying who' should not enter into it. IMHO.

So to answer your question (or actually, to not answer it as I do not know the answer ), looking from another angle, I expect SYD to provide inter-terminal transfers for me where I do not pay a separate fee - how they manage that is up to them.

 

[medhead]

So to answer your question (or actually, to not answer it as I do not know the answer ), looking from another angle, I expect SYD to provide inter-terminal transfers for me where I do not pay a separate fee - how they manage that is up to them.

I totally agree with your position. Unfortunately, not providing something that they should provide is not the same as charging you, in the case of using a 3rd party to get the thing that isn't provided.

Umm I hope the punctuation is correct so that makes sense.