General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[trevella]

the minority of fully vaccinated who suffer a breakthrough infection

The key phrase. You originally completely mischaracterized the study and its findings.

 

[ethernet]

The acid test is when the PM gets a yet-to-be-approved booster dose before everyone else. Notably there has been zero discussion on quarantine free arrival.

 

[moa999]

Which was entirely avoidable, had we placed order when approached by Pfizer not over 3 months later, and if that initial order was for enough doses for everyone

Harry hindsight yes.
But we ordered 50m AZ doses, more than enough for our local population, and mostly locally manufactured.

Had Australia ordered say 50+50 doses at that point when we had few cases compared to the rest of the world, I suspect we might have come in for substantial international condemnation for vaccine hogging.

And don't forget early on we were strongly backing the UQ vaccine, which had some issues, so I suspect that lessened the risk appetite with the more novel Biontech/Pfizer solution

 

[hydrabyss]

Harry hindsight yes.
But we ordered 50m AZ doses, more than enough for our local population, and mostly locally manufactured.

Had Australia ordered say 50+50 doses at that point when we had few cases compared to the rest of the world, I suspect we might have come in for substantial international condemnation for vaccine hogging.

And don't forget early on we were strongly backing the UQ vaccine, which had some issues, so I suspect that lessened the risk appetite with the more novel Biontech/Pfizer solution

I am sure I remember the WHO asking wealthy countries not too outbid poorer ones in a rush to get a vaccine. I would not have felt right considering the position we where in if we done that.

 

[Spongbob]

I am sure I remember the WHO asking wealthy countries not too outbid poorer ones in a rush to get a vaccine. I would not have felt right considering the position we where in if we done that.

With Delta, I doubt many still retain this type of internationalist thinking.

 

[jb747]

The acid test is when the PM gets a yet-to-be-approved booster dose before everyone else. Notably there has been zero discussion on quarantine free arrival.

Seriously, do you actually care what any of the politicians do? Everything is show. Doesn't matter what colour they are. That injection could be vodka for all we know.

Quarantine free arrival has to happen, otherwise there will never be sufficient scale for any sort of airline operations.

 

[drron]

I posted, an excerpt from The Age article, that a breakthrough infected person (someone fully vaccinated) can infect many others including other fully vaccinated people. Trouble is, as a fully vaccinated person has a much greater probability of being asymptomatic if infected & thus they can be unwittingly infecting many others.

Sadly this is what happened at Liverpool hospital here in Sydney with a fully vaccinated nurse around the time of my post.

Warning people of a risk that is against the conventioned wisdom is not alarmism - it is being responsible.

The study posted to discredit my point was solely based on the time period pre-Delta = so not at all relevant. Yet not acknowledged - harmful mis-information? Perhaps requiring a warning on it?

Vaccination massively reduces the risk of serious illness/death for the vaccinated person but now with the Delta variant it makes the minority of fully vaccinated who suffer a breakthrough infection, more likely to be asymptomatic and unknowingly be infecting others.

Bottom line: Even if fully vaccinated, act as if you are not.

Wear a mask & eye protection when out & about because even though you are unlikely to suffer serious adverse affects - you may just infect others.

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Correct - my mistake. I mixed up the infection of the Adelaide man at RPA with it.

Thanks for correcting my mistake!

How many times do I have to tell you.the Age article is about 1 outbreak in Provincetown,mass.it is basically an outlier in the USA delta outbreaks.And one outbreak doesn't mean every other outbreak will give the same result.Yiu have absolutely no understanding of Medical trials,significance and relevance.
The Age report of one trial is not the absolute truth.Stop trying to give the absolute worst spin on everything.This is not like Finance and maths where things can be black and white.

 

[Must...Fly!]

This is not like Finance and maths where things can be black and white.

What a great statement, very very true.

 

[tgh]

Indeed good Dr, but Ram is not the devil incarnate.. he (or she) is simply presenting a point of view that you and many others disagree with.
Without the contribution of the Rams (and others) .. we could all feel warm , secure , and comfortable as we waddled together out to the end of the pier...

 

[tgh]

Quarantine free arrival has to happen, otherwise there will never be sufficient scale for any sort of airline operations

This is important JB ?
The world is in the middle of what may turn ot to be the greatest challenge in millennia.. and you are worried about folks flying soon ??
Get a grip…

 

[mviy]

Quarantine free arrival has to happen, otherwise there will never be sufficient scale for any sort of airline operations

This is important JB ?
The world is in the middle of what may turn ot to be the greatest challenge in millennia.. and you are worried about folks flying soon ??
Get a grip…

As an international pilot it would be very concerning to him.

It’s hard to see QF flying unsubsidised to countries that are not on the green list where quarantine is not required.

Until travel is quarantine free we can’t expect pricing like pre-pandemic.

 

[drron]

New advice from ATAGI.From monday 9/8 children 12 - 15 with co morbidities will be eligible to receive the Pfizer vaccine.

• children with specified medical conditions that increase their risk of severe COVID-19 (including severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, cardiac and circulatory congenital anomalies, neuro developmental disorders, epilepsy, immuno-compromised and trisomy 21) – see Appendix A for more details
• Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children aged 12–15 years
• all children aged 12–15 years in remote communities, as part of broader community outreach vaccination programs that provide vaccines for all ages (≥12 years).

ATAGI statement regarding vaccination of adolescents aged 12–15 years

A statement from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) regarding vaccination of adolescents aged 12-15 years

www.health.gov.au

 

[TonyHancock]

The world is in the middle of what may turn ot to be the greatest challenge in millennia.. and you are worried about folks flying soon ??
Get a grip…

Millennia? Let's calm down a smidgeon. I hardly think this pandemic is going to be a bigger challenge than the failure of the Concorde Room at LHR to stock Coates Navy Strength Plymouth Gin, or the Second World War or the Great War followed by The Spanish Flu and they have all happened in the last 110 years.

 

[jb747]

Quarantine free arrival has to happen, otherwise there will never be sufficient scale for any sort of airline operations

The world is in the middle of what may turn ot to be the greatest challenge in millennia.. and you are worried about folks flying soon ??
Get a grip…

I'd have thought that to frequent fliers, it possibly is important. It probably matters to almost all of my friends, who've either lost their jobs, or been prematurely retired.

But, if it is the greatest challenge, then perhaps I should be very fearful of what politicians invariably use to take peoples' mind off what is going on.

 

[jakeseven7]

Greg Hunt (the Federal Health Minister) and many others had Astrazeneca.

Considering the PM may suddenly need to travel overseas him taking a vaccine where he could be fully vaccinated sooner makes a lot of sense for his particular situation.

Yes but given Pfizer protection falls away quickly, Scomo is probably going to have to have a booster very very soon, his protection levels will be already declining, one study is saying Pfizer falls to only 50% at 6 months.

I wonder if they will quietly boost Scomo or if they will make it public….

 

[KateMayo]

This morning, when questioned, Brad Hazzard revealed that the death toll tied to the breakthrough infection at Liverpool hospital is now 5, from the fully vaccinated nurse.

(My bolding.)

Was this nurse fully vaccinated? The reports I have read have all stated that the nurse had only received their first Pfizer injection

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Just on the ability of vaccinations to minimise the spread of Covid and hence the number of cases, Iceland has 93% of its 16 and over population vaccinated, but is currently experiencing it most rapid spread yet of Covid 19. This may well be a predictor of what may be in Australia as well.




Breakthrough infections are evident, though adverse health outcomes are of course much improved amongst the fully vaccianted.

 

[oznflfan]

Just on the ability of vaccinations to minimise the spread of Covid and hence the number of cases, Iceland has 93% of its 16 and over population vaccinated, but is currently experiencing it most rapid spread yet of Covid 19.

As long as ICU and deaths greatly minimised, who cares? This is the endgame of vaccines.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Just on the ability of vaccinations to minimise the spread of Covid and hence the number of cases, Iceland has 93% of its 16 and over population vaccinated, but is currently experiencing it most rapid spread yet of Covid 19. This may well be a predictor of what may be in Australia as well.

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Breakthrough infections are evident, though adverse health outcomes are of course much improved amongst the fully vaccianted.

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97% of those cases are either mild or have no symptoms and there are hardly any cases in hospital (10 at last count)

The vaccines work, it’s irrefutable. Go and get jabbed everyone.

 

[Pushka]

Just on the ability of vaccinations to minimise the spread of Covid and hence the number of cases, Iceland has 93% of its 16 and over population vaccinated, but is currently experiencing it most rapid spread yet of Covid 19. This may well be a predictor of what may be in Australia as well.

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Breakthrough infections are evident, though adverse health outcomes are of course much improved amongst the fully vaccianted.

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As long as ICU and deaths greatly minimised, who cares? This is the endgame of vaccines.

Absolutely this. As in the old days of flatten the curve. And stop hospitals being overwhelmed. I'd have thought summer time in Australia once high vaccination rates achieved to be the time to determine the future. With swine flu they simply stopped testing for it. Maybe that's what we need to think about.