General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[Flashback]

Were you in Hubei?

If people think it was only in Hubei and hadn't leaked out elsewhere, well .... not much I can say to that. There's a high chance it was already outside that area.

3 weeks of being extremely ill including but not limited to constant cough, fever, difficulty breathing, sore throat, etc.

As I said, I'm not saying we did have it, I'm not saying we didn't, but we had all the classic symptoms of it with the main one being the difficulty breathing and normally when I'm unwell with something similar the breathing this is not an issue. Mrs FB literally did not move out of bed for a week solid, again, that's never happened when she's had something with these symptoms.

 

[Pushka]

If people think it was only in Hubei and hadn't leaked out elsewhere, well .... not much I can say to that. There's a high chance it was already outside that area.

3 weeks of being extremely ill including but not limited to constant cough, fever, difficulty breathing, sore throat, etc.

As I said, I'm not saying we did have it, I'm not saying we didn't, but we had all the classic symptoms of it with the main one being the difficulty breathing and normally when I'm unwell with something similar the breathing this is not an issue. Mrs FB literally did not move out of bed for a week solid, again, that's never happened when she's had something with these symptoms.

I do remember how unwell you were at the time. We can't really trust China. Maybe you could have an antibody test? I know our UK cousins have had this and it showed as positive. But they knew they'd had it. They still haven't regained their sense of taste. Do you have any similar issues?

 

[Flashback]

I do remember how unwell you were at the time. We can't really trust China. Maybe you could have an antibody test? I know our UK cousins have had this and it showed as positive. But they knew they'd had it. They still haven't regained their sense of taste. Do you have any similar issues?

I'm not sure I've ever had a real sense of taste, you should see some of the rubbish I eat

In all seriousness though, have looked into it but the antibody tests seem hard to come by.

 

[Pushka]

I'm not sure I've ever had a real sense of taste, you should see some of the rubbish I eat

In all seriousness though, have looked into it but the antibody tests seem hard to come by.

They live in Oxford, my family territory . Maybe it's easier there. My sons UK partner went to Cambridge University. Cute rivalry. But from The Wirral. Surrounded by 'em.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If people think it was only in Hubei and hadn't leaked out elsewhere, well .... not much I can say to that.

That was not what I was inferring. Even allowing for the Chinese data being questioned, Hubei was the biggest source. So hence the question especially given that you were there in early Jan, and the more interesting if you believe that caught it elsewhere in China.

http://www.ourphn.org.au/wp-content/uploads/20200225-Article-COVID-19.pdf shows the spread throughout China.

 

[drron]

There certainly is circumstantial evidence that the virus didn't originate in Wuhan but possibly in Guangdong.@Flashback was close by in Hong Kong.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-13/scientist-suggests-coronavirus-originated-outside-of-wuhan

Guangdong is where SARS came from.

Epidemiologic Clues to SARS Origin in China

An epidemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) began in Foshan municipality, Guangdong Province, China, in November 2002. We studied SARS case reports through April 30, 2003, including data from case investigations and a case series analysis ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Incidentally there was accidental release of the SARS virus causing a second wave from a Beijing lab.

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny

www.the-scientist.com

 

[Flashback]

That was not what I was inferring. Even allowing for the Chinese data being questioned, Hubei was the biggest source. So hence the question especially given that you were there in early Jan, and the more interesting if you believe that caught it elsewhere in China.

http://www.ourphn.org.au/wp-content/uploads/20200225-Article-COVID-19.pdf shows the spread throughout China.

All good then! Sometimes intent can be hard to 'read'

There certainly is circumstantial evidence that the virus didn't originate in Wuhan but possibly in Guangdong.@Flashback was close by in Hong Kong.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-13/scientist-suggests-coronavirus-originated-outside-of-wuhan

Guangdong is where SARS came from.

Epidemiologic Clues to SARS Origin in China

An epidemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) began in Foshan municipality, Guangdong Province, China, in November 2002. We studied SARS case reports through April 30, 2003, including data from case investigations and a case series analysis ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Incidentally there was accidental release of the SARS virus causing a second wave from a Beijing lab.

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny

www.the-scientist.com

Indeed, I spent time in HKG, Macau and Taiwan (west coast). Macau would probably have been the higher chance of interaction with the virus.

 

[TheRealTMA]

There certainly is circumstantial evidence that the virus didn't originate in Wuhan but possibly in Guangdong.@Flashback was close by in Hong Kong.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-13/scientist-suggests-coronavirus-originated-outside-of-wuhan

Guangdong is where SARS came from.

Epidemiologic Clues to SARS Origin in China

An epidemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) began in Foshan municipality, Guangdong Province, China, in November 2002. We studied SARS case reports through April 30, 2003, including data from case investigations and a case series analysis ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Incidentally there was accidental release of the SARS virus causing a second wave from a Beijing lab.

SARS escaped Beijing lab twice

Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny

www.the-scientist.com

First article very interesting. Too early yet to know definitively but a clue.

Unfortunately, the second is just dog-whistling and China bashing. They are professional labs and would have learned a lot in the 16 years since the SARS issue In 2004. There’s absolutely no evidence that COVID 19 has anything to do with Chinese virology labs. Silly to promote such memes.

 

[p--and--t]

If people think it was only in Hubei and hadn't leaked out elsewhere, well .... not much I can say to that. There's a high chance it was already outside that area.

3 weeks of being extremely ill including but not limited to constant cough, fever, difficulty breathing, sore throat, etc.

As I said, I'm not saying we did have it, I'm not saying we didn't, but we had all the classic symptoms of it with the main one being the difficulty breathing and normally when I'm unwell with something similar the breathing this is not an issue. Mrs FB literally did not move out of bed for a week solid, again, that's never happened when she's had something with these symptoms.

I can't recall where, but I saw a headline that was saying something along the lines that some US spies believe an early strain of covid has been circulating in China since August 2019. I didn't read the article because I'm kinda over it.

 

[drron]

First article very interesting. Too early yet to know definitively but a clue.

Unfortunately, the second is just dog-whistling and China bashing. They are professional labs and would have learned a lot in the 16 years since the SARS issue In 2004. There’s absolutely no evidence that COVID 19 has anything to do wth Chinese virology labs. Silly to promote such memes.

The article refers to 2004 and SARS not 2019/20 and the SARS COV 2 virus of today.The Chinese admitted those accidental leaks back then

 

[TheRealTMA]

The article refers to 2004 and SARS not 2019/20 and the SARS COV 2 virus of today.The Chinese admitted those accidental leaks back then

Yes, that’s what I said. What’s the point of quoting this? it’s not useful to the current situation or discussion.

 

[Pushka]

I didn't read the article because I'm kinda over it

Ain't that the truth.

 

[drron]

Yes, that’s what I said. What’s the point of quoting this? it’s not useful to the current situation or discussion.

And you said-
"Unfortunately, the second is just dog-whistling and China bashing."
When the article is a report on the SARS virus so not what you implied.But it does say that a similiar corona virus originated in Guangdong so the first article saying that the Covid 19 mutation found in Guangdong was the type A and in Wuhan mostly type B lends weight to Covid 19 being around earlier and possibly originating in Guandong.

And other articles about SARS finding a very similiar corona virus to SARS in horseshoe bats found in caves in Yunan province.

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-like virus in Chinese horseshoe bats

Although the finding of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) in caged palm civets from live animal markets in China has provided evidence for interspecies transmission in the genesis of the SARS epidemic, subsequent studies suggested that the civet may have served only as an...

www.pnas.org

Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur

Chinese scientists find all the genetic building blocks of SARS in a single population of horseshoe bats.

www.nature.com

The same bat species has been implicated in Covid 19.
"Prof Shi’s work also challenges the widely held belief that coronaviruses require an intermediate host to make the jump from bats to humans.

To date, it has been accepted that SARS was transmitted from bats to humans via palm civets and, in the case of its cousin MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome) from bats to humans via camels.

But Prof Shi found something unusual in the people living near the Yunnan cave: 3 per cent had developed immunity to the viruses, proving the strains can and have infected humans in the past.

However, funding for the project dried up and the research into the virus now known to be a close relative to COVID-19 was suspended.

With scientists still unable to identify an intermediate host for COVID-19 (although snakes and pangolins have been discussed) the possibility it jumped directly from bats to humans is now being taken very seriously.

“Bats are reservoir hosts of several zoonotic viruses, including the Hendra and Nipah viruses, which have recently emerged in Australia and East Asia,” Prof Shi wrote in her 2005 paper, which identified SARS for the first time."

Coronavirus link to mysterious wild bat cave

In 2004, deep in the wilderness of China’s Yunnan province, a group of scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology discovered a cave full of wild bats carrying hundreds of SARS-related viruses.

www.news.com.au

So sorry your dog whistling is totally wrong.

 

[TheRealTMA]

And you said-
"Unfortunately, the second is just dog-whistling and China bashing."
When the article is a report on the SARS virus so not what you implied.But it does say that a similiar corona virus originated in Guangdong so the first article saying that the Covid 19 mutation found in Guangdong was the type A and in Wuhan mostly type B lends weight to Covid 19 being around earlier and possibly originating in Guandong.

And other articles about SARS finding a very similiar corona virus to SARS in horseshoe bats found in caves in Yunan province.

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-like virus in Chinese horseshoe bats

Although the finding of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) in caged palm civets from live animal markets in China has provided evidence for interspecies transmission in the genesis of the SARS epidemic, subsequent studies suggested that the civet may have served only as an...

www.pnas.org

Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur

Chinese scientists find all the genetic building blocks of SARS in a single population of horseshoe bats.

www.nature.com

The same bat species has been implicated in Covid 19.
"Prof Shi’s work also challenges the widely held belief that coronaviruses require an intermediate host to make the jump from bats to humans.

To date, it has been accepted that SARS was transmitted from bats to humans via palm civets and, in the case of its cousin MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome) from bats to humans via camels.

But Prof Shi found something unusual in the people living near the Yunnan cave: 3 per cent had developed immunity to the viruses, proving the strains can and have infected humans in the past.

However, funding for the project dried up and the research into the virus now known to be a close relative to COVID-19 was suspended.

With scientists still unable to identify an intermediate host for COVID-19 (although snakes and pangolins have been discussed) the possibility it jumped directly from bats to humans is now being taken very seriously.

“Bats are reservoir hosts of several zoonotic viruses, including the Hendra and Nipah viruses, which have recently emerged in Australia and East Asia,” Prof Shi wrote in her 2005 paper, which identified SARS for the first time."

Coronavirus link to mysterious wild bat cave

In 2004, deep in the wilderness of China’s Yunnan province, a group of scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology discovered a cave full of wild bats carrying hundreds of SARS-related viruses.

www.news.com.au

So sorry your dog whistling is totally wrong.

Not at all. Your implication was that Chinese researchers were responsible for leaks of a SARS virus in 2004, 16 years ago. Nothing whatsoever to do with CV19. Completely irresponsible concept.

so let’s leave it there.

 

[drron]

Not at all. Your implication was that Chinese researchers were responsible for leaks of a SARS virus in 2004, 16 years ago. Nothing whatsoever to do with CV19. Completely irresponsible concept.

so let’s leave it there.

Read the article it said it was an accidental release.2 researchers investigating the SARS virus became infected in separate incidents.Nothing about a deliberate release.You are just making that up.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Read the article it said it was an accidental release.2 researchers investigating the SARS virus became infected in separate incidents.Nothing about a deliberate release.You are just making that up.

Yes I did read it. Ok I withdraw the dogs. It was a little too strong. I never suggested nor implied that it was a deliberate release. I was just attempting to suggest that linking the two articles in the one post was mis-directional.

 

[Denali]

The longer they do poop like this, the longer this is going to take.

Woman, 15 friends test positive for coronavirus after night out at Lynch’s

Erika Crisp and more than a dozen of her friends became ill with COVID-19 after visiting Lynch's Irish Pub earlier this month.

www.news4jax.com

 

[Denali]

Why are priests receiving JobKeeper at all? Did the Catholic church stand down/stop paying their priests?

Catholic priests receiving JobKeeper double their stipend, so the church asks for the extra cash

ABC Investigations obtains letters sent to priests that ask them to hand back some of the money from JobKeeper to help make up for a plunge in donations from parishioners.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Princess Fiona]

Why are priests receiving JobKeeper at all? Did the Catholic church stand down/stop paying their priests?

Catholic priests receiving JobKeeper double their stipend, so the church asks for the extra cash

ABC Investigations obtains letters sent to priests that ask them to hand back some of the money from JobKeeper to help make up for a plunge in donations from parishioners.

www.abc.net.au

Yes presumably they did. The article mentions lobbying by the Catholic Church and other religions to include ministers in Job Keeper.
No masses, no baptisms, very few weddings.
Skeleton staff required for funeral services.
No contributions from parishioners during the shut down.

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

OMG will people in public toilets stop flushing ??

Flushing the toilet may fling coronavirus aerosols everywhere

Here's one more behaviour to be hyper-aware of in order to prevent coronavirus transmission: what you do after you use the toilet.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au