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[drron]

All of this is why I board early.Less chance anyone takes my seat.
So avoid the conflict.

 

[mannej]

I'm just curious as to what constitutes sexual harassment of your wife?

May I suggest that the OP is being rather dogmatic about this. I would have thought the seat-pincher's primary objective is to nab a seat better then their own?

 

[Pushka]

May I suggest that the OP is being rather dogmatic about this. I would have thought the seat-pincher's primary objective is to nab a seat better then their own?

Agree. Unless there has been overt sexual attention, the mere nabbing of a seat does not constitute anything more than opportunistic behaviour in getting a seat. Why do you think you need to protect your wife from men just sitting next to her? Good grief - you could be accusing any of our male partners of sexual harassment and in reverse, if you sat down next to a female stranger you might be accused of the same.

What is the world coming to?

 

[TomVexille]

May I suggest that the OP is being rather dogmatic about this. I would have thought the seat-pincher's primary objective is to nab a seat better then their own?

Agree. Unless there has been overt sexual attention, the mere nabbing of a seat does not constitute anything more than opportunistic behaviour in getting a seat. Why do you think you need to protect your wife from men just sitting next to her? Good grief - you could be accusing any of our male partners of sexual harassment and in reverse, if you sat down next to a female stranger you might be accused of the same.

What is the world coming to?

I see you both get where I was going with that

 

[Renato1]

I'm just curious as to what constitutes sexual harassment of your wife?

May I suggest that the OP is being rather dogmatic about this. I would have thought the seat-pincher's primary objective is to nab a seat better then their own?

Agree. Unless there has been overt sexual attention, the mere nabbing of a seat does not constitute anything more than opportunistic behaviour in getting a seat. Why do you think you need to protect your wife from men just sitting next to her? Good grief - you could be accusing any of our male partners of sexual harassment and in reverse, if you sat down next to a female stranger you might be accused of the same.

What is the world coming to?

I see you both get where I was going with that

Interestingly, I discussed this thread with quite a few friends and acquaintances down here last summer, who were as utterly mystified by many of the ultra-appeasement/take-whatever-is-dished-out-to-you type responses made here, as I was.

Maybe it is something to do with my having grown up in the south eastern suburbs of Melbourne? As is the case with most of my friends and acquaintances.
Clearly, we inhabit a different planet in terms of social conventions and what to do when they are transgressed.
Regards,
Renato

 

[mannej]

Interestingly, I discussed this thread with quite a few friends and acquaintances down here last summer, who were as utterly mystified by many of the ultra-appeasement/take-whatever-is-dished-out-to-you type responses made here, as I was.

Maybe it is something to do with my having grown up in the south eastern suburbs of Melbourne? As is the case with most of my friends and acquaintances.
Clearly, we inhabit a different planet in terms of social conventions and what to do when they are transgressed.
Regards,
Renato

Sorry Renato, but you are wrong. Without actually knowing me personally you are unable to suggest that I take what is dished out to me.

Whilst I am making an assumption here, I see the similar dogmatic traits in many of my older relatives (they do share a similar background). This gives me insight in when to pick my battles and the tact needed to successfully pick these battles.

Truth be told, we don't disagree about the issues here, what the differing view is the manner in which we would address these issues. Doesn't mean we would sit back and do nothing. I think this has been made perfectly clear previously.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Truth be told, we don't disagree about the issues here, what the differing view is the manner in which we would address these issues. Doesn't mean we would sit back and do nothing. I think this has been made perfectly clear previously.

There are a few issues here... (a) passenger in wrong seat, (b) action to resolve that

If the OP has proof that the man sexually harassed his wife, physically removing the offending passenger may be a reasonable option. But the OP has chosen not to go provide any detail on that.

on the other hand, a passenger simply being obnoxious and not wanting to move doesn't give right to physical intervention, and if the crew won't help, there's not a lot that can be done at the time... you either have to off-load yourself (with any consequences), or follow it up with the airline after arrival.

 

[mannej]

There are a few issues here... (a) passenger in wrong seat, (b) action to resolve that

If the OP has proof that the man sexually harassed his wife, physically removing the offending passenger may be a reasonable option. But the OP has chosen not to go provide any detail on that.

on the other hand, a passenger simply being obnoxious and not wanting to move doesn't give right to physical intervention, and if the crew won't help, there's not a lot that can be done at the time... you either have to off-load yourself (with any consequences), or follow it up with the airline after arrival.

It is hard to disagree with that.

 

[Pushka]

I can assure you if someone sexually harassed me my partner would be onto it. The thing is, I think we have a different appreciation/understanding of what is meant by sexual harassment.

 

[blu]

Thanks very much for your feedback about Qatar.
I am now very much looking forward to the flight - as I'm sure my wife will be when I tell her your comments.
We just don't know anyone who's flown with Qatar.
Regards,
Renato

We have used Qatar in J & Y several times. It seems easier to get a redemption codeshared on QR. As QR has around 20 aircraft configs consistency can vary. However, the A380 upper deck 1-2-1 with inflight bar (J) and 2-4-2 (Y) is very good. As are their business class pax lounges - the al Mourjan DOH and the LHR T3 lounge. I find their OW lounges (Y pax) not so good.

 

[clifford]

We have used Qatar in J & Y several times. It seems easier to get a redemption codeshared on QR. As QR has around 20 aircraft configs consistency can vary. However, the A380 upper deck 1-2-1 with inflight bar (J) and 2-4-2 (Y) is very good. As are their business class pax lounges - the al Mourjan DOH and the LHR T3 lounge. I find their OW lounges (Y pax) not so good.

I fly QR business class from time to time, and it's certainly much better than EK. However, I'm not sure that QR 388 Y class is 2-4-2. (If it was, I'd fly nothing else...).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I fly QR business class from time to time, and it's certainly much better than EK. However, I'm not sure that QR 388 Y class is 2-4-2. (If it was, I'd fly nothing else...).

blu is correct...a380 upper deck economy is 2-4-2.

 

[TomVexille]

Interestingly, I discussed this thread with quite a few friends and acquaintances down here last summer, who were as utterly mystified by many of the ultra-appeasement/take-whatever-is-dished-out-to-you type responses made here, as I was.

Maybe it is something to do with my having grown up in the south eastern suburbs of Melbourne? As is the case with most of my friends and acquaintances.
Clearly, we inhabit a different planet in terms of social conventions and what to do when they are transgressed.
Regards,
Renato

I'm still curious as to what the sexual harassment was?

And if you're wondering, I don't condone sexual harassment in any form ever.

 

[Renato1]

Sorry Renato, but you are wrong. Without actually knowing me personally you are unable to suggest that I take what is dished out to me.

Whilst I am making an assumption here, I see the similar dogmatic traits in many of my older relatives (they do share a similar background). This gives me insight in when to pick my battles and the tact needed to successfully pick these battles.

Truth be told, we don't disagree about the issues here, what the differing view is the manner in which we would address these issues. Doesn't mean we would sit back and do nothing. I think this has been made perfectly clear previously.

If your notion is that when a man physically blocks my wife from taking her turn to use the toilet, and when a woman starts hitting my wife's face with papers, I should seek to have an earnest discussion with them in regards to their behaviour and to genuinely seek to understand where they are coming from, and engage in very civil conflict management so that we reach a mutually agreeable position - then sorry, we live on different planets.
Regards,
Renato

There are a few issues here... (a) passenger in wrong seat, (b) action to resolve that

If the OP has proof that the man sexually harassed his wife, physically removing the offending passenger may be a reasonable option. But the OP has chosen not to go provide any detail on that.

on the other hand, a passenger simply being obnoxious and not wanting to move doesn't give right to physical intervention, and if the crew won't help, there's not a lot that can be done at the time... you either have to off-load yourself (with any consequences), or follow it up with the airline after arrival.

The hypothetical example I gave of a person taking my seat next to my wife, was meant to illustrate the, in my opinion, ridiculousness of the opinions expressed by others in relation to the obnoxious Arabic chap who got all his family to take the bulkhead seats which had been allocated to others.

Your position is that if someone were to have taken my hypothetical seat, I would have to prove sexual harrassment before I acted. It's irrelevant - he has invaded my space and my wife's space - it doesn't matter whether it is physical intimidation or sexual harrassment. In my opinion, you are condoning the notion that his might is right, and my might is wrong, and that I should instead cede to the authority of an airline steward or stewardess and allow him or her to become arbiters of who is right and wrong.

In the case of the obnoxious Arab chap, the steward/stewardess decided to move the other couples who's seats he had appropriated, and the only one who kept his seat was the Italian chap who stood his ground. You would want me to cede to the authority of that steward/stewardess?
Regards,
Renato

I can assure you if someone sexually harassed me my partner would be onto it. The thing is, I think we have a different appreciation/understanding of what is meant by sexual harassment.

Okay, so if one day someone takes your allocated seat next to your wife, you will be very cross but sit somewhere else.
It's your decision to accept such.
Regards,
Renato

 

[mannej]

If your notion is that when a man physically blocks my wife from taking her turn to use the toilet, and when a woman starts hitting my wife's face with papers, I should seek to have an earnest discussion with them in regards to their behaviour and to genuinely seek to understand where they are coming from, and engage in very civil conflict management so that we reach a mutually agreeable position - then sorry, we live on different planets.
Regards,
Renato


The hypothetical example I gave of a person taking my seat next to my wife, was meant to illustrate the, in my opinion, ridiculousness of the opinions expressed by others in relation to the obnoxious Arabic chap who got all his family to take the bulkhead seats which had been allocated to others.

Your position is that if someone were to have taken my hypothetical seat, I would have to prove sexual harrassment before I acted. It's irrelevant - he has invaded my space and my wife's space - it doesn't matter whether it is physical intimidation or sexual harrassment. In my opinion, you are condoning the notion that his might is right, and my might is wrong, and that I should instead cede to the authority of an airline steward or stewardess and allow him or her to become arbiters of who is right and wrong.

In the case of the obnoxious Arab chap, the steward/stewardess decided to move the other couples who's seats he had appropriated, and the only one who kept his seat was the Italian chap who stood his ground. You would want me to cede to the authority of that steward/stewardess?
Regards,
Renato




Okay, so if one day someone takes your allocated seat next to your wife, you will be very cross but sit somewhere else.
It's your decision to accept such.
Regards,
Renato

Renato, you are quite the dogmatic one aren't you.

You admit the "sexual harassment" was actually hypothetical only, and that my notion was correct (I.e the seat pincher was after a better seat).

There are others better placed to make comment here telling you your approach may not be the most appropriate on an aircraft. You fail to acknowledge this, yet fall back on taking shots such as referring to us living on different planets or adding your spin to our comments. Let's not forget the legal implications of your latest post here relating to the authority of the crew.

I don't no how many times we will see that no, we don't condone the actions of the seat pincher.

P.s, I don't think Pushka has a wife...

 

[Renato1]

We have used Qatar in J & Y several times. It seems easier to get a redemption codeshared on QR. As QR has around 20 aircraft configs consistency can vary. However, the A380 upper deck 1-2-1 with inflight bar (J) and 2-4-2 (Y) is very good. As are their business class pax lounges - the al Mourjan DOH and the LHR T3 lounge. I find their OW lounges (Y pax) not so good.

Thanks for the information.
We'll just be flying in economy though, but it's good to see that you are generally pleased with them - that's usually a good sign.
Regards,
Renato

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If your notion is that when a man physically blocks my wife from taking her turn to use the toilet, and when a woman starts hitting my wife's face with papers, I should seek to have an earnest discussion with them in regards to their behaviour and to genuinely seek to understand where they are coming from, and engage in very civil conflict management so that we reach a mutually agreeable position - then sorry, we live on different planets.
Regards,
Renato


The hypothetical example I gave of a person taking my seat next to my wife, was meant to illustrate the, in my opinion, ridiculousness of the opinions expressed by others in relation to the obnoxious Arabic chap who got all his family to take the bulkhead seats which had been allocated to others.

Your position is that if someone were to have taken my hypothetical seat, I would have to prove sexual harrassment before I acted. It's irrelevant - he has invaded my space and my wife's space - it doesn't matter whether it is physical intimidation or sexual harrassment. In my opinion, you are condoning the notion that his might is right, and my might is wrong, and that I should instead cede to the authority of an airline steward or stewardess and allow him or her to become arbiters of who is right and wrong.

In the case of the obnoxious Arab chap, the steward/stewardess decided to move the other couples who's seats he had appropriated, and the only one who kept his seat was the Italian chap who stood his ground. You would want me to cede to the authority of that steward/stewardess?
Regards,
Renato




Okay, so if one day someone takes your allocated seat next to your wife, you will be very cross but sit somewhere else.
It's your decision to accept such.
Regards,
Renato

when you buy your ticket you agree that a specific seat is not guaranteed. This applies even after boarding. If someone poaches your seat there is no legal recourse. You may have a moral argument, but you have zero legal basis to enforce your seat. So yes, you have to rely on the crew to assist you. If they choose not to, not a lot you can do at that moment in time.

Taking matters into into your own hands does however have potential legal ramifications. It is unlikely that whatever physical action you intend on taking would be considered reasonable or necessary, therefore opening the way for you to be offloaded and handed to the police.

 

[TomVexille]

P.s, I don't think Pushka has a wife...

I don't think that's legal in this country yet

 

[Deleted member]

A Bale ??

or a stack (LOL)

 

[Pushka]

Renato, I quite often sit next to men, and sometimes my seat changes from what I have tried to select as frequently my husband and I are booked separately and I am moved and he isn't (or reverse). It's a pain but it happens. Strangely enough I don't feel I have been sexually harassed. It's just the pain of flying where no seats are guaranteed and sometimes the obnoxious passengers seem to win. Nothing more than that.

On boarding emirates once there was a guy in my seat. I suggested he check his boarding pass. He moved. Pretty sure it was him trying to snag what he thought was a better seat. But Emirates crew backed me up. If he had turned nasty I would not have bothered and moved to a different seat - not worth the angst on a plane. But he didn't. His wife was cranky though. It was quite hilarious as it turned out. Had he kicked up a fuss but I took the higher order and let him have it then I would like to think karma might work for me later.

Can I just check - no one actually harassed your wife? Because now I am confused.

I remember the paper issue from earlier.