First Trip to the USA: Help with Itinerary and FF Point Redemptions

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Hi guys.

I've been reading all the useful information on these forums for the last few years, but this is my first post.

My girlfriend and I are traveling to the US for the first time. I was hoping some members here could give me some advice on where to go, stay, fly and do. I know its a big ask, but from reading previous threads, there is such a wealth of information from all the friendly members of this forum.

Some background information about us.

  • I have approximately 600 000 points in my AMEX Plat charge account
  • I have no status with any FF company, but I am a member of Singapore airlines, Qantas and Virgin Velocity
  • We are leaving in mid October
  • I'm hoping to book 2 x J or F tickets to make the holiday more memorable
  • My g/f loves shopping and funnily enough I don't mind it also
  • We like seeing sights, but it won't bother us if we don't see many, we prefer holidays that are full of eating, relaxing and shopping :)
  • We really want so see New York and Las Vegas, but not to sure where else we need to go
  • We only have about 3 weeks of total holiday time, and are a little unsure about how to split the time amongst cities.
  • We like staying in clean nice hotels, they don't need to be 5 stars, but I like central accommodation
  • We are budgeting 10k each without airfares, is that reasonable?
I have been checking Singapore airlines and I can redeem 2 x J for 250k points or 2 x F for 300k points. I think its on their 747-400. I think thats a pretty good deal, unless any other members can think of a better one?

So I burning questions are:

  1. What states should we visit and how long should we stay there
  2. Where should we stay?
  3. What are some must see/do places?
  4. Where should I redeem my FF points
Thanks in advance guys!
 
There's more in the USA than three weeks worth. Or five for that matter - I just finished a 24 state epic in five weeks and barely scratched the surface. My advice is not to try to see everything. You can't do it and you'll wear yourself to a frazzle trying.

Las Vegas. Good choice. It's way over the top corny, but it's great fun, so long as you don't blow a bunch gambling. I got a room at the Las Vegas Hilton (yeah, just like in the song) for $52 a night. On the way back I splurged out and for $75 got a room at the Paris, which is right on the Strip and tres jolie. Expedia is good for this - I enter my criteria and then rank them according to guest rating, which sends the dogs to the bottom, despite whatever tricks the hotels themselves use to inflate their appeal.

You could use Vegas as a base - there are tours to nearby attractions such as Hoover Dam and Grand Canyon, but you definitely need a few days to get the full impact, take in some shows, just wander up and down the strip. You could hire a car and do a tour of your own. I'd suggest checking out of your hotel, driving via Hoover to Grand Canyon village, staying the night, and then drive back via Flagstaff and Route 66. Two easy days, lots of great scenery. Book accommodation at the GC first - it can get tough to find. Or in Flagstaff, but the logistics makes that a bit trickier.

New York. I could spend a happy week there. A lot of the good stuff is free. Walk over Brooklyn Bridge, take the Staten Island Ferry, wander through Central Park, visit Times Square in the evening. A thousand great ethnic restaurants. The subway is cheap and convenient. Have lunch at the Carnegie Deli, browse through the Strand Bookstore, have a steak at Mickey Mantles on Central Park West and they'll give you a 20 oz souvenir beer glass. I stayed at the Waldorf there, believe it or not, after using a sale code I got here or on Flyertalk.

Lots of other places. Chicago is an architectural delight. They do a boat cruise up and down the river past some fantastic skyscrapers which is wonderful - even if you don't like architecture. Oak Park has some of Frank Lloyd Wright's masterpieces. The parks and museums in the city centre are great. The Bean in Millenium Park is a great photoshoot. Have a Sunday Brunch at the Signature Room atop the John Hancock. The view is mind-blowing. Or just go up for a drink - the elevator ride is free, but they charge steeply for a beer. Macys on State Street - the old Marshall Field store - has a Tiffany dome that is just awesome and the chicken pot pie in the Walnut room is a delicious tradition. There's also a Levenger store there, and if you like gadgets and journals and books, it's a must.

Washington DC for the iconic sights and the Smithsonians. If you are a plane nut like me, the Air and Space Museum and its enormous annex at Dulles is a religious experience. There are various bus tours to give you an overview - I recommend the twilight tour leaving from Union Station

You could do Fort Worth for a taste of Texas. There's a Hyatt right in the Stockyards which is a good base for the corney tourist show and longhorn mouster. The Kimbell Art Museum is a gem, and I adore the Japanese Gardens there.

Or San Francisco. God, but I love that city. There's the tourist things like the Golden Gate Bridge - and the day I rode a bike across the bridge with a beautiful blonde is still the best day of my life - and the cable cars and Alcatraz and Fishermans Wharf and chinatown. Or just walk around, enjoy the funky atmosphere, those crazey hill streets. I love it.


The straights of San Francisco by skyring, on Flickr

See if you can take in a ball game while you are there. The Yanks make it an experience, even if you don't know the rules or the players it's still a chunk of Americana that is legendary.

I'd suggest (say) four nights in five of the above cities, taking three days for each city and a day for travel. That's at least a taster.
 
If you're travelling to the US, would recommend that you call Velocity to get an idea for award flight availability on V Australia in J; F isn't available but J on VA is pretty damn good. Am unsure if you can use Velocity points to redeem on Virgin America, but they're far and away the best of the domestic carriers in the US (IMHO), so would try for that if you can.

As for places to see .. how long is a piece of string? 3 weeks isn't that long, so would limit your choices to 3-4 cities maximum. You could spend 3 months in New York and still not see everything, so would recommend spending the bulk of your time there.. Las Vegas is heaps of fun, but for me it's not worth more than 3-4 days. San Francisco is definitely worth considering. Not a fan of Los Angeles, but there are some nice spots and things to see and do if you go there .. also, I really enjoyed my stay in Portland, but it's not really a first rate destination so maybe save that for another trip.

10k each for three weeks is heaps; you should be able to stay at some reasonable properties and eat at decent restos with a fair bit of spending money besides for that.

As for hotel recommendations -
New York: I wouldn't stay at any of the hotels I've stayed in again. Good properties in this city don't come cheap, and I made the mistake of trying to find something cheap and centrally located. I've heard good things about The Mercer Hotel.
Las Vegas: Any of the strip hotels are generally OK, but nothing amazing. Mid-week stays will get you a better class of room for much less. The Wynn is supposed to be great? Not stayed there myself.
San Francisco: can recommend The Palomar on 4th and Market, as well as the Le Meridien on Battery.
 
I have been checking Singapore airlines and I can redeem 2 x J for 250k points or 2 x F for 300k points. I think its on their 747-400. I think thats a pretty good deal, unless any other members can think of a better one?

If flying SQ C (J) it is recommended to book on an A380 to SIN and A345 to LAX/EWR as they offer completely flat seat/beds. These cabins will be charged in the Standard level so after 15% online discount (and assuming you are departing from the east coast of AUS), its going to cost for two passengers 272K to the Los Angeles and 306K to New York one way (plus taxes and a large fuel fine). Good thing is there is also reasonable amounts award availability for October.

F class would be much nicer, even if F was in an elderly 747 plane, but availability may be an issue.
 
Thanks everyone for your advice so far guys! It's providing me a great start for my research and planning of this holiday.

Alanlegal: Thanks for your advice about the flat beds. I live in Perth, and the flights Perth-Sing-JFK are J/F savers. They are significantly cheaper in regards to points than the standard and my preference is not to burn all my points on one trip.

I will have to look into V flights to the US. Does anyone know the burn for 2 x J tickets from the eastern states to JFK?
 
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I will have to look into V flights to the US. Does anyone know the burn for 2 x J tickets from the eastern states to JFK?

This is where you probably need to call them. Currently speaking the Velocity site is down for the count, but the example they have on their site is that BNE/SYD/MEL-LAX return in J is 188000 points. Once you add in the JFK flight it will be a bit higher, but that should give you an idea.
 
Out of Perth you can go SQ on A330 in J and then use A340 to NYC direct in all J 98 seater or to LAX (your pick).
Watch the connection times in SIN as that can be a big wait.
SQ seem to be pulling their 747 but if it is running a Saver First would be a bargain you would not forget.
Lasvegas.com is a great start for Vegas.
 
I would try to get a deal at Marriott Marquis in New York at around $300 and Caesars Palace in Las Vegas because the locations are really good for what you described with shopping and being in the action. I would start with Australian version of Expedia to explore your starting options. You don't have to book with them.
From LAX we use points to go to New York at 50k each way in J or 75k each way in First using QF web site (last years numbers).
 
Hi Cove,

Thanks for your suggestions. I'm currently doing dummy bookings using Singapore airlines. Its quite frustrating to see what days have availability for 2 x J seats. I don't want to dump all my points in Singapore Airlines only to find I cant travel on the dates that I want to.

After reading the above posts and speaking to my friends. I think its going to be New York, Chicago, Vegas and San Fran. I was thinking of Singapore Airlines Perth - Sing - JFK and then organise internal flights in the USA, then JFK-Sing-Perth. But is there a better way of going to the places I want to? I don't mind dumping my points in Qantas or Virgin if it makes it easier.
 
When I left for England the SQ site was mis-behaving so what you can do is call the Kris telephone number and get them to tell you dates that will work.I have even had them stay on the line while I got the 15% online discount. That was so nice.
We had trouble loading a redemption nominee and a couple of our points flights did not update into the new SQ site. All fixed now but a bit worrying at the time.
That flight to EWR is one I have not done out of SIN and I don't believe you would get it on Saver points but do look thoroughly and a call to Kris to get the inside running would be the way to do it.
 
Your pick of cities is what I would do on a first trip.
By the way V Australia in J is something I have not done but friends who have done it have been happy.
 
I would definitely give Chicago a miss - it's cold and windy and going to be horrible in October

Instead either do Miami (and maybe Key West for a day) if you like nice beaches, beautiful people (South Beach in Miami), fantastic restaurants and night clubs

New York is a must and should be at least a week

Las Vegas is fun but 3-4 day is enough

Going to the US and not visiting LA? Nonsense! So drop Chicago and do LA instead and since you are going to Vegas it is going to be handy as it's only an hour flight away

out of all airlines connecting Australia and US Singapore would be everyone first choice as they are simply the best

so if I were you: Perth -Singapore-NYC (1 week) - Miami (4-5 days) - Las Vegas (3-4 days) - LA (3 days) - San Francisco (3 days)-Singapore -Perth

You can go to San Francisco first and then on to LA as Singapore Airlines fly to both

though not sure how much an open jaw fare in J would be in terms of points, you'd need to check with SQ
 
I would definitely give Chicago a miss - it's cold and windy and going to be horrible in October

Instead either do Miami (and maybe Key West for a day) if you like nice beaches, beautiful people (South Beach in Miami), fantastic restaurants and night clubs

New York is a must and should be at least a week

Las Vegas is fun but 3-4 day is enough

Going to the US and not visiting LA? Nonsense! So drop Chicago and do LA instead and since you are going to Vegas it is going to be handy as it's only an hour flight away

Could not disagree more.

Chicago is a great city with plenty to do in the autumn (fall). Chicago has substance and the depths of winter (Dec – March) are grim but fall is pretty nice.

LA is a pretty uninspiring unless you want to go to theme parks but Orlando could claim that title as well. I find LA is quite vapid and flat but I am not a glitz and shopping type of guy so the OP may find it fantastic.

The west coast is great but San Fran or even coastal route 1 is a better bet than LA.

To the OP. Think about the South as well. Savannah or Charleston are beautiful and later in the year they will still be very mild. The food is also tip-top and the places have a very different feel to NYC, LA or any other big city.
 
Could not disagree more.

Chicago is a great city with plenty to do in the autumn (fall). Chicago has substance and the depths of winter (Dec – March) are grim but fall is pretty nice.

LA is a pretty uninspiring unless you want to go to theme parks but Orlando could claim that title as well. I find LA is quite vapid and flat but I am not a glitz and shopping type of guy so the OP may find it fantastic.

Average temperature in October:

Chicago - max +16, min +2

LA - max +25, min +16

not sure about feeling nice and cosy in the evening in Chicago walking along the lakeshore, even if the view is fantasic, hardly relaxing at +2C; I'd rather go for a strall along Venice Beach in LA at lunchtime at +25C

As to LA being uninspiring, it somehow has remained a tourist mecca for the past 40 or so years and it's not only Disneyland and Universal Studios.
this is what Wikipedia says about LA and I agree:

"Often known by its initials, LA, and nicknamed the City of Angels, Los Angeles is a world center of business, international trade, entertainment, culture, media, fashion, science, technology, and education.[10][11] It is home to renowned institutions covering a broad range of professional and cultural fields, and is one of the most substantial economic engines within the United States. Los Angeles has been ranked the third richest city and fifth most powerful and influential city in the world, behind only New York City in the United States.["

and it's not only Holliwood and movie, TV and music industry stars, their houses in Beverly Hills and paparazzi and gossip.

it's also 841 museums - more per capita than any other city in the world. Getty Centre is a must as well as Los Angeles County Museum of Art and Museum of Contemporary Art

also it is Venice Beach, Santa Monica, West Holliwood, more than 1000 music, theatre and dance performing groups, the Gallery Row, great sporting events, Farmers Market and the Grove, beaches, shopping and people watching on Rodeo Drive etc etc etc

Not that Chicago is not great, it's just it is not the first choice for someone who's never been to the US before...

we can go on arguing about what are the best places to see in the US for ages and there will be no conclusion, there are so many of them. I personally loved New Orleans, it's fast recovering after the Catrina impact and is just gorgeous...someone will say San Diego is great, or Boston is wonderful and we are all right about it. Matter of personal preferences;)
 
Hi guys,

Thanks for all the replies so far! They have been very helpful with my planning. I managed to book the majority of my airfares this morning. It took a few hours yesterday looking at possible routes using dummy bookings, but I found something that would work, transferred the points to Sing Airlines last night and the point showed up this morning!

So this is what I got for 289 000 points and $2384.88 taxes/surcharges
2 x J tickets on A330-300 and 747-400 planes

Going There: Perth - Singapore - Frankfurt - New York
Coming Home: New York - Singapore - Perth

We are spending 2 nights in Frankfurt to break the trip up and explore. We've never been, but from the sounds of things, its not a bad place to visit for a few days. Being that we will be there in Oct, there will be Oktoberfest celebrations?

For the US part of the trip we've decided to do:
New York - 8 nights
LA - 3 nights
San Fran - 3 nights
Vegas - 3 nights

We were thinking of NY 4 days -> Vegas -> LA -> San Fran -> NY 4 days -> Home
Would that be a good itinerary?
What internal US carrier should we use? Is it easy just to book them online?

After this we will book our accommodation. Our budget is no more than $300 a night. But ideally would like to spending $200 a night. Hopefully we can find some coupons or 25% off specials. I am an IC gold ambassador and have a gold SPG membership courtesy of Amex.

I'll keep reporting back as I go

PS: We decided on LA over Chicago because of the weather difference and the fact that my girlfriend really wants to go to Disneyland!
 
Well, I thought LA would be a better option than Chicago and I'm with your girlfriend - every kid (however big he or she is) needs to go to Disneyland at least once -:)

You have one problem though - Octoberfest actually takes place in September, this year it is 17/09-03/10...and an even bigger problem is - it is actually in Munich, not Frankfurt

Frankfurt isnt the biggest attraction in Germany, there's a bit of an old town but it's tiny, there are a couple of good museums but it's mostly tall buildings in the city as Frankfurt is Germany's business heart and the biggest airport

But - Wiesbaden is only in 25 km from the airport and it's just lovely, has a large historic centre, a Casino where Dostoyevsky gambled and old Roman (and also great modern) baths, great parks and lots of other things (including some wineries nearby). Stay there

As to the choice of the domestic carrier in the US - it all depends on what you want. Considering you are flying SQ and probably a *alliance member, it would make sense to fly United to get your points and status credits. United is not great but they would take your from A to B. Virgin America is pretty cool, especially their first class...if you are after cheapest fares - go to kayak.com or orbits.com or the like, punch in your route and you'll get an idea what flies where

As to accommodation, do the kayak.com exercise but cross check results with
tripadvisor.com - trip advisor will also give you info on best restaurants nearby, places to go and see etc

Enjoy your trip!
 
This is a bit like my trip... I might see you over there!

Going with my wife and 3 kids mid October on QF. I booked all the internal flights on www.aa.com The itinerary includes:
BNE-SYD-LAX
Vegas (3 nights)
NYC (3)
Orlando (1)
Disney Cruise (4)
Orlando (6)
LA (2)
LAX-SYD-BNE

Enjoy!
 
My first trip to the USA was a week in Washington in January. It was cold, there was snow on the ground, the Potomac was frozen.

I loved it!

I think, for a first trip to the USA, with three weeks to spend, it's going to be hard not to have a fantastic trip.

Everyone has different cities and places they love, but if all of we travellers here compiled a list of must-see places, it would take a year or so to get around them all!

October isn't too bad. In fact, October and April are my favorite times for exploring the world. Winter has too many chances for delays, summer is hot and often humid.

Pumbaa, you'll have a great time, I'm sure. You'll be back for more, I guarantee it!

Where you may have the most fun could be the culture rather than the places. People-watching is always good, even if it's just people walking along a city street. You'll see clothing and mannerisms and just plain weird stuff you wouldn't see at home. Going to a restaurant is an experience, too. The menu might be in English, but what exactly are "hush-puppies"? How do you work out a tip at McDonalds? Why is a bus boy neither young nor working in public transport? And maybe he should learn to speak goddam English. Why do they put enough food for the whole family on one plate and then ask if you want a side of veges?

And, perhaps best of all. Our dollar is really good relative to the US. Food and clothing is cheap to begin with, it's a fantastic bargain now!

Join a few loyalty alliances for hotels and stuff before you leave. Get the cards. If you are around for three weeks, you'll rack up points, but you'll certainly score some discounts and little gifties. Starbucks and/or Panera cards for coffee. CVS or Walgreens, because their drugstores are just stacked full of things that travellers need.

Get some of those guidebooks. I prefer the Dorling-Kindersley ones. Buy them from Amazon and save a bundle. You can read up on things to do before you arrive, they have lots of pictures and maps, and they have a section in the back on useful stuff like public transport tickets and routes.

My best tip. Find an LL Bean shop and just go wild.
 
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I'http://gonewengland.about.com/library/blfoliagecentral2.htmm with Skyring.To fully appreciate the USA you need to get out and drive in the country.Though being your first trip it is wise to concentrate on the cities.However with your 8 days in NYC it might be worth considering driving into New England for Leaf Peeping.The fall(autumn) colours are spectacular and usually best late October,early November.This site can help with planning-
New England Foliage Central - Autumn in New England - Complete Guide to Fall for Travelers and Others Who Love the Season

Also if you drive up to Maine then consider going to Freeport-outlet stores and the biggest is the main store of L L Bean.Just north of there the Taste of Maine restaurant on Highway 1 at Wiccasset is open through the winters and you should try the lobsters.

Dont let driving worry you.Americans are very courteous drivers-though Boston can be scary.
 
Alistair "Letter to America" Cooke used to visit New England each autumn every one of the fifty or so years he lived in the USA. I haven't been north of New York at all, but I would love to see New England, especially in leaftime. My April roadtrip last year was cancelled by volcano. I remember exulting here about the Mustang I'd ordered in Boston for a few roadie days with my wife. *sigh*

You know, there would be worse things than getting out, taking the backroads, dropping in at cutesy restaurants, hotels, parks. Driving in America, once you get over the wrong side of the road thing, is pretty easy, especially if you have a good GPS to help navigate. My mantra, when turning at intersections, is "Left is loose, Right is tight", helped along by screams from passenger whenever I forgot.

Most dangerous thing about American - and European - roads: getting onto a single-lane country road, coming over a crest and moving aside to let oncoming traffic pass safely. With no lane or centreline markings, there's a good chance you'll swing left without thinking, just as the other guy is swinging right without thinking.

Must write about American driving in my TR, when I make the next instalment. Probably take me a year to get the whole five weeks done. Pumbaa - don't follow my example!

But I've got to say that there are few things in this world that are better than a good American roadtrip, tooling along in some enormous hunk of metal with a gorgeous woman by your side. You laugh at the peculiar town names, count the churches, jawdrop through the service stations that are overthetop shrines to junk food, order burgers and a shake at some diner that hasn't changed since the Fifties. And wind back the iPod to your favorite songs as you debate the pronunciation of some apple pie town.

I remember Des Moines. Discoverylover and I had been debating where the accent was and whether it was pronounced in the French fashion or what we imagined Iowans might say. I asked the lady behind the counter about how to say the name of the place we were in, without actually saying it for fear I'd get it wrong. She looked me square in the eye and said, slowly for the idiot foreigners, "Dare ree kween".

For the record, it's pronounced in the French way: "Day Moyn".
 
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