Fares for domestic flights connecting to international

[nufnuf]

Does anyone know where to find more information about fares of domestic flights that connect to international flights?

I understand that you can get discounted domestic fares if booked in conjunction with international flight but I can't find any information about prices and conditions and whether stopovers are allowed.

 

[Keith009]

You'd be booked on a through fare - the domestic connections would be booked as a 'package' together with the international segment per the fare construction. In most cases you wouldn't be able to view the breakdown of the fare by individual, standalone segments.

For instance when I fly MEL-HNL via SYD on QF, I am not paying for MEL-SYD + SYD-HNL. I am paying for a MEL-HNL fare.

Different origin/destination pairs attract different fares, actual length travelled can have nothing to do with it. For instance, AKL-PER via SYD can actually be cheaper than PER-SYD.

I'm sure Travel Guru will come along with a better explanation.

 

[dajop]

Apart from QF009's above explanation the only other discount I'm aware of, that a couple of times my TA has been able to connect a full domestic fare with an intl ticket, and remove the GST from the ticket. Hardly a big discount though!

 

[Dave Noble]

In Australia, the only listed fare of that type that I see available is in K class.

It is the same base price as the standard flexi saver but is less restrictive. Rather than being non-refundable like the flexi saver (KIPOX) fare, the KIX fare is fully refundable

Also, rather than being an instant purchase fare , it's ticketing deadline is the set to be to the same as the international fare componant


Although the base fare is the same, it will be 9% cheaper than the KIPOX due to no GST

Dave

 

[2muchplastic]

There are times that I think that Qantas pricing is nothing more than random.
For example, my trip two weeks ago BNE-MEL-HKG-BNE. When I asked the company TA for the price for this trip compared to my usual BNE-HKG-BNE the answer came back as $2900 more expensive. And how much if I fly Y BNE-MEL to connect to the J flight to HKG? Ooohh, that takes $3000 off the price, making it $100 cheaper than BNE-HKG-BNE.

I would struggle to believe that a standard one-way J flight BNE-MEL would cost that much, even for Qantas!

 

[Shano]

Somewhat related is the fare type that I have been booking for travel to Asia [Y/B/H/..LFFA1].

The fare routing rules allow this to be booked as, for example

MEL-HKG return
MEL-SYD-HKG return
MEL-BNE-HKG return

The base fare is the same regardless of the routing, although taxes do change. So apart from the different taxes, you are almost getting a domestic flight for free. Handy for extra SC's.

 

[straitman]

There are times that I think that Qantas pricing is nothing more than random.
For example, my trip two weeks ago BNE-MEL-HKG-MEL. When I asked the company TA for the price for this trip compared to my usual BNE-HKG-BNE the answer came back as $2900 more expensive. And how much if I fly Y BNE-MEL to connect to the J flight to HKG? Ooohh, that takes $3000 off the price, making it $100 cheaper than BNE-HKG-BNE.

I would struggle to believe that a standard one-way J flight BNE-MEL would cost that much, even for Qantas!

It would also have something to do with the fare classes being quoted and not just as simple as a Y or J fare.

 

[2muchplastic]

It would also have something to do with the fare classes being quoted and not just as simple as a Y or J fare.

Just to clarify, I was comparing BNE-HKG-BNE with a C/D class fare quoted. For BNE-MEL-HKG-BNE it would only allow J all the way, but MEL-HKG-BNE could be booked in C/D with a cheapie Y ticket BNE-MEL on the same booking. And it came to $100 cheaper than BNE-HKG-BNE in C/D. It seemed that adding the DOM leg on meant that the business saver tickets could no longer be booked?!

So 15 extra SCs, and about 1800 miles more, for $100 less, which I presume is the difference in taxes?

 

[straitman]

Just to clarify, I was comparing BNE-HKG-BNE with a C/D class fare quoted. For BNE-MEL-HKG-BNE it would only allow J all the way, but MEL-HKG-BNE could be booked in C/D with a cheapie Y ticket BNE-MEL on the same booking. And it came to $100 cheaper than BNE-HKG-BNE in C/D. It seemed that adding the DOM leg on meant that the business saver tickets could no longer be booked?!

So 15 extra SCs, and about 1800 miles more, for $100 less, which I presume is the difference in taxes?

Those that build the fare structures probably don't allow for the types of people who frequent AFF & FT. They probably expect people to travel by at least a semi direct route :!:

 

[2muchplastic]

Those that build the fare structures probably don't allow for the types of people who frequent AFF & FT. They probably expect people to travel by at least a semi direct route :!:

So straitman, are you saying that flying two and a half hours in the opposite direction to an intended destination is not normal?

I only did it because I actually wanted to have part of my Sunday intact, if I take QF97 ex BNE then I have to leave home at around 8am. But QF29 from MEL leaves at midnight so I can leave home at 5.30pm instead.
Keeps SWMBO a little happier, and gets me 15 SCs closer to WP.

 

[Dave Noble]

Those that build the fare structures probably don't allow for the types of people who frequent AFF & FT. They probably expect people to travel by at least a semi direct route :!:

There are people on AFF and FT who like to go as directly as possible from A to B

Dave

 

[NM]

There are people on AFF and FT who like to go as directly as possible from A to B

Do you mean "as the crow flies"?

 

[straitman]

So straitman, are you saying that flying two and a half hours in the opposite direction to an intended destination is not normal?

I only did it because I actually wanted to have part of my Sunday intact, if I take QF97 ex BNE then I have to leave home at around 8am. But QF29 from MEL leaves at midnight so I can leave home at 5.30pm instead.
Keeps SWMBO a little happier, and gets me 15 SCs closer to WP.

For some people around here it is perfectly normal.

There are people on AFF and FT who like to go as directly as possible from A to B

Dave

.... and for others it's quite abnormal :!:


I'd have to say though for the majority of the world it is not normal :!: :shock:

 

[Dave Noble]

Do you mean "as the crow flies"?

Absolutely not. I've seen how the 'crow' flies and it isnt at all direct

Dave

 

[NM]

Absolutely not. I've seen how the 'crow' flies and it isnt at all direct

Scary :!::!:

 

[JohnK]

Does anyone know where to find more information about fares of domestic flights that connect to international flights?

I understand that you can get discounted domestic fares if booked in conjunction with international flight but I can't find any information about prices and conditions and whether stopovers are allowed.

Have you tried using the multi-city feature? This allows you to specify x number of routes and you can simply have stopovers by changing the dates of the next flight. Sometimes the airfare quoted will be very high and the booking engine will offer cheaper alternatives.

I always select the flights based on schedule to see what airfare is quoted. I will be in Singapore/Thailand over Christmas and New Year and I need to purchase another return ticket from SE Asia to Australia.

For the dates I want to travel on the Qantas website a SIN-BNE return airfare is quoted at S$1269 and a SIN-SYD return airfare is quoted at S$1125. As I work in Brisbane and live in Sydney I will need to get to/from work and a SYD-BNE return airfare is quoted at ~A$264. If I use multi-city feature the itinerary SIN-(SYD)-BNE-SYD-SIN is quoted at S$1298 but it gives me a few hours in SYD after arriving from SIN then a week in BNE returning to SYD for a few days before heading off to SIN again. When the A$ was stronger booking this way was really attractive but even with a weak A$ the savings are still there.