F saver from Europe to Australia: is it worth it?

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Just looking at the SQ inventory for 2026, for the time I hope to be traveling, the rarest of hens teeth has popped up: an F saver (not suites) redemption from LHR-SIN-MEL.

The SIN-MEL leg is on SQ217. There is an overnight (~ 13 hour) layover in SIN.

I have not flown SQ in F since 2013, mostly because there have never since then been any available saver F awards.

Questions:

1) Is the points premium over a business class redemption worth it?
2) Does this entitle you to use a bed at TPR in SIN for the overnight layover?
3) Are the FLounges in LHR and SIN worth a visit?
4) Is there a significant chance that the second leg, to MEL, gets downgraded to business class due to aircraft swapping; and in that case, is access to the TPR lost, and would there be any compensation in points refunded?

Would appreciate opinions as I need to book fairly fast.
 
Just looking at the SQ inventory for 2026, for the time I hope to be traveling, the rarest of hens teeth has popped up: an F saver (not suites) redemption from LHR-SIN-MEL.

The SIN-MEL leg is on SQ217. There is an overnight (~ 13 hour) layover in SIN.

I have not flown SQ in F since 2013, mostly because there have never since then been any available saver F awards.

Questions:

1) Is the points premium over a business class redemption worth it?
2) Does this entitle you to use a bed at TPR in SIN for the overnight layover?
3) Are the FLounges in LHR and SIN worth a visit?
4) Is there a significant chance that the second leg, to MEL, gets downgraded to business class due to aircraft swapping; and in that case, is access to the TPR lost, and would there be any compensation in points refunded?

Would appreciate opinions as I need to book fairly fast.
1,2,3 - yes
4 - no
 
Agree with @kamchatsky

Re: 4 - even if the plane is downgraded you should be able to swap to another F service and worst case you will still be permitted SIN Private Room access as it is permitted on departure and arrival.
 
Agree with @kamchatsky

Re: 4 - even if the plane is downgraded you should be able to swap to another F service and worst case you will still be permitted SIN Private Room access as it is permitted on departure and arrival.

Actually, if the plane is downgraded (in advance), you may be able to swap to the Suites!
 
Just looking at the SQ inventory for 2026, for the time I hope to be traveling, the rarest of hens teeth has popped up: an F saver (not suites) redemption from LHR-SIN-MEL.
That's actually as rare as hen's teeth. You stumbled upon a unicorn.
Actually, I see it too - on 2 different days! One day is SQ305 then SQ217 (with a 5h 40m layover in SIN) and SQ321 then SQ217 (with a 17h layover in SIN), and the other day is SQ321 then SQ217 (with a 17h layover in SIN) only.
I suspect these are both available due to it being First, not Suites.
The SIN-MEL leg is on SQ217. There is an overnight (~ 13 hour) layover in SIN.
13 hour layover? I only see either a 5h 40m or 17h layover, no 13h options.
SQ217 (and the SIN-bound SQ218) is usually a A350LH (with only Y, W, J cabins). These days, only SQ227 (and the SIN-bound SQ228) is a B777 (with Y, W, J, F cabins).
Back when SQ sent an A380 to MEL, it was the midnight SQ218 service that was allocated this aircraft.
If they do downgrade SQ217 to A350LH, then you should be able to switch over to SQ227, however with only 4 F seats on the plane, there may not be space on it so depending on how time-sensitive your journey is, you may opt to wait until an F seat opens up on SQ227 on another day, or just travel as planned but downgrade to J and get a points refund.
1) Is the points premium over a business class redemption worth it?
Highly subjective and scenario-dependent to be honest. How fast can you earn points? Can you amass a large balance quickly?
Personally I'm an award traveller purely in J, I just can't earn points fast enough to blow them on a F/R redemption and then start the journey again, so settling for J is great. I've experienced Suites once (on SQ's older A380 12-Suite bird) and that was amazing, however J still has a lie-flat seat and that's a million times better than a cramped upright Y seat.
SQ J is great.
However, if you've got a large balance, and can build it up again quickly after blowing it, then F is worth it over J.
Like I said, highly subjective and scenario-dependent.
2) Does this entitle you to use a bed at TPR in SIN for the overnight layover?
Yes. However, do take note of the rules:
These are not intended to be hotel rooms, and as such the default time allotted per guest is two hours (though you can obviously stay longer if there’s no one after you- and given how light the Suites/First Class traffic is, it’s likely). It’s meant for napping and working, not a full night’s sleep.
3) Are the FLounges in LHR and SIN worth a visit?
Always worth a visit to an F lounge, no reason not to!
4) Is there a significant chance that the second leg, to MEL, gets downgraded to business class due to aircraft swapping; and in that case, is access to the TPR lost, and would there be any compensation in points refunded?
If there is an aircraft swap, you can still access TPR (as an arrival lounge).
However, in terms of compensation, it gets dicy. Very very dicy. YMMV.
See below.
For example, suppose a passenger books FRA-SIN-SYD in Premium Economy, and the SIN-SYD leg gets downgraded to Economy due to an aircraft swap.

Technically speaking (and I know this will infuriate a lot of people) no refund of miles is due. Why? Because there’s no price difference between a FRA-SIN-SYD itinerary in Premium Economy, and a FRA-SIN-SYD itinerary with the first FRA-SIN leg in Premium Economy and the SIN-SYD leg in Economy.

That sounds counterintuitive, but it’s a by-product of how the KrisFlyer award chart works- the highest cabin determines the pricing of the entire itinerary (in an extreme case, a CGK-SIN-JFK award with CGK-SIN in First and SIN-JFK in Economy would price as a First Class award!)

In an ideal world, they’d do some sort of pro-rated refund of the distance flown in the lower cabin, but you need to be mentally prepared for the CSO to tell you “no dice”. If they go by the book, the only way you’ll receive a refund is if you downgrade the entire journey to the lower cabin, e.g. FRA-SIN in our example above.
 
Just looking at the SQ inventory for 2026, for the time I hope to be traveling, the rarest of hens teeth has popped up: an F saver (not suites) redemption from LHR-SIN-MEL.

The SIN-MEL leg is on SQ217. There is an overnight (~ 13 hour) layover in SIN.

I have not flown SQ in F since 2013, mostly because there have never since then been any available saver F awards.

Questions:

1) Is the points premium over a business class redemption worth it?
2) Does this entitle you to use a bed at TPR in SIN for the overnight layover?
3) Are the FLounges in LHR and SIN worth a visit?
4) Is there a significant chance that the second leg, to MEL, gets downgraded to business class due to aircraft swapping; and in that case, is access to the TPR lost, and would there be any compensation in points refunded?

Would appreciate opinions as I need to book fairly fast.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes the J lounge in SIN is a mess, LHR is nice, but F is F
4. SQ217 is an A350 all the time from memory.. When is it a 777 ?
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Actually, if the plane is downgraded (in advance), you may be able to swap to the Suites!

Not to Melbourne you won't...
 
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes the J lounge in SIN is a mess, LHR is nice, but F is F
4. SQ217 is an A350 all the time from memory.. When is it a 777 ?
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Not to Melbourne you won't...

What is the chance SQ will let him swap to Suites to SYD, and then onwards QF/VA J to MEL, if F/R is not available to MEL?
 
4. SQ217 is an A350 all the time from memory.. When is it a 777 ?
SQ217 toggles between A350LH and A380 (at least back when SQ sent the big bird down to MEL, doubt they will again). Now, it's always A350LH.
I fly SQ217 all the time.
However, SQ has scheduled SQ217/218 to be on a B777 in July next year. See below.
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Not to Melbourne you won't...
Haha exactly, there's no A380 service to MEL. There is to SYD, but I doubt they'd let you switch destinations just to get Suites, unless you get the unicorn agent who is willing to put in the work to re-construct your entire journey on their GDS for you, at no cost to you!
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What is the chance SQ will let him swap to Suites to SYD, and then onwards QF/VA J to MEL, if F/R is not available to MEL?
See above.
 
SQ217 toggles between A350LH and A380 (at least back when SQ sent the big bird down to MEL, doubt they will again). Now, it's always A350LH.
I fly SQ217 all the time.
However, SQ has scheduled SQ217/218 to be on a B777 in July next year. See below.
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Haha exactly, there's no A380 service to MEL. There is to SYD, but I doubt they'd let you switch destinations just to get Suites, unless you get the unicorn agent who is willing to put in the work to re-construct your entire journey on their GDS for you, at no cost to you!
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See above.

Ah thanks,. missed July for the 777 :)

There are going to be lots of random 777/A350 substitutions next year as the A350's get refitted
 
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