Even more Job Losses at Qantas 2-3000 from QFi.

[RAM]

I am already a strong advocate of the B777, what I was saying is the chance of CASA approving ETOPS 330 is the same as QF saying we were wrong about the B777

But what's wrong with Easter Island?

 

[SeatBackForward]

Qantas, the bank that dabbles in airlines.

 

[knasty]

Currently Etihad, VA and others fly B777 for 14 hour 30+ minutes flights such as from Abu Dhabi to Australia. There is nothing stopping Q using it for possibly all but the Dallas route (and even then it may qualify - I have not looked into it).

Previously on the traditional Kangaroo route virtually every competitor flys the B777 vs Q's B747/400 or A380. So there was nothing stopping Q using the B777 for those routes either.

From the funds management perspective the detailed broker research (out of the US and UK) on the economics of the routes and which aircraft can fly them is undeniable just not distributable on this forum. That is why Airbus has officially admitted in a results briefing that it is unlikely to recoup its A380 investment. More recently the A350/8 was 'unofficially' officially abandoned due to its non-economics vs the revamped A330 planned.

I totally agree with you that the B787-9 is a great looking aircraft but like all new toys it is better to wait for the initial product issues to be ironed out. The B777 (from memory) has the best performance (lack of maintenance issues per 1 million RPKs of any model). It also benefits from being able to use hundreds more airports as pairs.

Aspire Aviation is a good site to explore for some more rigorous tech comparisons.

Slightly OT I sat next to Daniel Tsang from Aspire onboard CX PE earlier this year. Excellent entrepreneurship from a very young guy. I thought he was still.at uni.

 

[RAM]

Slightly OT I sat next to Daniel Tsang from Aspire onboard CX PE earlier this year. Excellent entrepreneurship from a very young guy. I thought he was still.at uni.

Ageist!!!! {and proud of it?}

 

[Himeno]

Would things at QF be any better if the Qantas Sale Act said QF did not have to pay (Australian) tax?

 

[moa999]

You gotta make a profit before you pay any tax...

Albeit tax depreciation policy is one of the issues that hurts international

 

[markis10]

You gotta make a profit before you pay any tax...

Albeit tax depreciation policy is one of the issues that hurts international

Not necessarily, what's QFs payroll tax bill?

 

[moa999]

OK corporate tax.

 

[markis10]

OK corporate tax.

Plenty of other taxes to worry about, enough for VB and QF to do a joint submission on six years ago:

http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/co...ways_Ltd_and_Virgin_Blue_Airlines_Pty_Ltd.pdf

I note the move of all call centre staff to Hobart is saving $11M in payroll taxes.

 

[RAM]

Would things at QF be any better if the Qantas Sale Act said QF did not have to pay (Australian) tax?

Have a look at where some of there subs are domiciled and read about how some planes are financed. Australian Tax hmm. They arbitraged Aust Tax before floating and set up a very efficient structure while still Govt owned.


It takes all sorts.

 

[eastwest101]

I note the move of all call centre staff to Hobart is saving $11M in payroll taxes.

Saving Qantas $11M in payroll taxes, payroll taxes foregone and paid for by the Tasmanian state government, oh hang on - they're broke already :shock: so actually paid for by Australian taxpayers and other profitable australian companies that pay corporate tax.

Add another one to the bazillion reasons why Payroll taxes should be scrapped everywhere.

 

[sydstar]

Haven't heard much from AJ and co. for a while now...keeping heads low for a reason? :shock:

If only QF had CX's fleet planning over the past decade - things might have played out a bit different. With a soon to be 330/350/777 fleet, CX really look to have struck the right balance.

The 380 is a funny one - there is IMO a definite difference in passenger comfort compared to the 747/777. But apart from EK, does the aircraft actually work economically for any airline?

 

[Pleb Status]

There is only one job loss that I would like to see....

 

[katiebell]

Haven't heard much from AJ and co. for a while now...keeping heads low for a reason? :shock:

If only QF had CX's fleet planning over the past decade - things might have played out a bit different. With a soon to be 330/350/777 fleet, CX really look to have struck the right balance.

The 380 is a funny one - there is IMO a definite difference in passenger comfort compared to the 747/777. But apart from EK, does the aircraft actually work economically for any airline?

I definitely think the upper deck of B747 is far superior to the A380. The A380 is the most overhyped disappointment I have experienced in all my flying. When I can choose an alternative aircraft I always do.
When more pax are looking for point to point flying and avoiding horrible hubs (e.g. DXB, LAX & SYD & for many LHR) it makes much more sense to fly B747 or B777 than the A380, especially so given the small population in Aus that is scattered over such a large area. Add to this the cargo capacity noted before and this should be a no brainer.
Re ETOPS and the VA B777 to JNB: if I were flying from MEL I would certainly have chosen this over dom/int transfers at SYD or PER.
Perhaps if QF actually listened to PAX rather than telling us what to think they might be in less of a mess. If all the surveys pre EK/DXB tie up had hinted at this I would have expressed a very strong opinion that I would not have welcomed this change.
Time for a new CEO and board that actually want to support a great Australian airline rather than run it into the ground

 

[Buzzard]

Today's AFR article has a quote from Mr Webber stating what many customers have been thinking for awhile.

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It's no coincidence that QF HQ sits next to Coward Street.

I might be barking up the wrong tree but if the problem is revenue why did they get rid of the masa? For example, when I purchased a masa I would pay a few hundred dollars but now that I fly via a classic I pay around $80. How much revenue has QF lost? OK, masa would not save QF but was it not a good revenue stream?

 

[moa999]

1. I don't think MASAs were widely used.
2. I suspect the internal costings of the points earned (at say 1c a point) and SCs (say leading to 5x lounge visits) were more than the few extra $s
3. The points will get used in any event

 

[samh004]

1. I don't think MASAs were widely used.

Certainly, from what I recall of the their short life they were harder to book than a JASA/required a call... so would have been less likely to be used. But IF we're talking in the broader sense of an xASA of any variety... they were probably used by those in the know and those who really needed to be somewhere, but otherwise would have had less usage than a classic award because their true value was hidden (and at introduction had no value as no SC's).