Engine surge grounds Qantas jet

[gilby08]

And here we go AGAIN.................................................................. ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH:evil:

Engine surge grounds Qantas jet | News.com.au

A QANTAS plane has been forced down shortly after take-off after experiencing a surge in one of its engines.
The Boeing 747 operating Qantas Flight 1 from Bangkok to London Heathrow experienced the engine problem shortly after take-off at 4am (AEST).

“The captain of the aircraft shut down that engine and carried out an air return to Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport,” a statement from the airline said.

"There was no safety issue at any stage," Qantas said in a statement today.


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[Nigelinoz]

This is really getting ridiculous now,none of the incidents that have occurred in the last week have resulted in any injury to passengers so where is the justification for continued headlines,I'm not a person who thinks that Qantas can do no wrong but the News Ltd obsession with posting every anti Qantas story they can get their hands on is really over the top.
I wonder whether if I lodged a complaint to the press council whether it would have any hope of success?

 

[gilby08]

Why can't they report on the cxld MEL-MQL flight DJ had last night (cxld due to locusts)... But suprisingly QF had to pick up all these pax and they could somehow fly their Dash-8 in?

Do you really think writing a complaint would really do much at all.. Maybe QF needs to take more of a defensive response and stop doing everything so diplomatically. Maybe make comparisons too with other incidents or airlines?

 

[samh004]

Can anyone confirm if this is the same 747 that’s had all the problems or a different one?

 

[Nigelinoz]

I doubt that complaining to the press council would achieve much but rule 3 of the statement of principles of the press council does say.

Where individuals or groups are a major focus of news reports or commentary, the publication should ensure fairness and balance in the original article. Failing that, it should provide a reasonable and swift opportunity for a balancing response in an appropriate section of the publication.

of course there are no actual "rules"that any media organisation has to comply with,apart from those about defamation etc but perhaps a complaint that points out that News Ltd's seeming obsession with Qantas is against the spirit of balanced,sensible journalism and is doing nothing for News's reputation-except tarnish it, could be worthwhile.

 

[simongr]

I dont think this is a safety issue at all but this is starting to get newsworthy on some levels. Does anyone know if QF are having a higher number of incidents at the moment - if QF are having worsening service standards then that is something that should be reported on. QF are the primary carrier of australians and a lot of people do depend on them for service - if they are no longer as reliable as we expect then we should be told.

 

[markis10]

Can anyone confirm if this is the same 747 that’s had all the problems or a different one?

It was OJF looking at ACARS - which had been slated to be parked, but obviously is still flying, and has done a lot of time! Has not departed SYD for a while.

 

[whereishome]

I dont think this is a safety issue at all but this is starting to get newsworthy on some levels. Does anyone know if QF are having a higher number of incidents at the moment - if QF are having worsening service standards then that is something that should be reported on. QF are the primary carrier of australians and a lot of people do depend on them for service - if they are no longer as reliable as we expect then we should be told.

QF are having the same issues and stuff that any major carrier would have with the number of flights they do.

It's just that there's union action taking place at the moment, so every little fart is getting reported to the press who are jumping on the opportunity to report it.

I will continue to prefer QF for travel because THEY TURN THEIR PLANES AROUND. They will ground a plane and inconvenience passengers rather than fly with something that is "probably nothing".

How many losses of life on QF flights?

 

[mm472]

This is really getting ridiculous now,none of the incidents that have occurred in the last week have resulted in any injury to passengers so where is the justification for continued headlines,I'm not a person who thinks that Qantas can do no wrong but the News Ltd obsession with posting every anti Qantas story they can get their hands on is really over the top.
I wonder whether if I lodged a complaint to the press council whether it would have any hope of success?

Maybe a frendly email to Media Watch will get some questions answered :shock::?:

 

[straitman]

Can anyone confirm if this is the same 747 that’s had all the problems or a different one?

Not really an issue Sam as engines swap from airframe to airframe at different times for a variety of reasons.

 

[simongr]

How many losses of life on QF flights?

None that I am aware of (other than people just dieing of their own accord).

I did point out that this was not a safety issue - it is a service delivery issue. What I do not know is whether there is a real increase in issues or not.

 

[markis10]

QF have had 79 fatalities owing to loss of aircraft, including WW2, but the last one was in 1951, they have had no jet based fatalities.

 

[harvyk]

QF have had 79 fatalities owing to loss of aircraft, including WW2, but the last one was in 1951, they have had no jet based fatalities.

One could also argue that during WWII where QF planes where operating as part of allied forces, the loss of some planes was inevitable, especially as one of them was shot down.

As for news limited's reporting, I'd like to think that they are only damaging their own reputation (however I don't think the majority of news ltd newspapers have a reputation to uphold in the first place), however I also know that they are damaging QF's reputation at the same time. I'm still convinced a news ltd DYKWIA got upset when they weren't given an op-up from Y to F (or wasn't given CL), thus this person has now declared war.

 

[markis10]

There was a good example of the poor journalism standards by no news today, while not related to the article being discussed in this thread, it is a timely example of how little details can completely change the picture of what happened:

$100,000 missing after wife drops suitcase at Salvation Army store in Beaconsfield | News.com.au

Now this article was obviously made to look current:

"The Salvation Army today confirmed the man had come to the store and pleaded with staff to hunt for the case on Tuesday last week, only to discover it had been sold two days earlier"

Which places the sale of the case with cash as having occurred on Sunday 28th March, so you can imagine my confusion when I read the updated story:

Couple to face charges over $100k found in a suitcase | News.com.au

"They were apprehended and interviewed by police on March 18."

Going by the earlier reporting from no-news the pair were arrested 10 days before they had a chance to get the cash case, thats awesome work by the Vic Police, maybe we can assign them to engine servicing for QF?


Just goes to show that you should never believe what you read, and in the case of aviation articles its been a long time since I have seen an article that was close to factual in its content. I doubt QF have had more than 0.01% of flights delayed by such events in the last 30 years, is it really news?

 

[oz_mark]

As for news limited's reporting, I'd like to think that they are only damaging their own reputation (however I don't think the majority of news ltd newspapers have a reputation to uphold in the first place), however I also know that they are damaging QF's reputation at the same time. I'm still convinced a news ltd DYKWIA got upset when they weren't given an op-up from Y to F (or wasn't given CL), thus this person has now declared war.

...or perhaps it is a hangover from when News owned the opposition airline....

 

[harvyk]

...or perhaps it is a hangover from when News owned the opposition airline....

Thus the reason they didn't get entry into the CL perhaps?

 

[medhead]

Sorry, gotta say it, but exactly where is the anti-qantas bias in that story? Where is the lack of balance? Qantas is quoted extensively putting all the points anyone would raise. Nothing negative is written about qantas.

This sounds a lot like when Andrew Bolt was claiming bais against the ABC because the 730 report dared to question the policies of Howard. It is a factual story about an iconic Australian company. People want to know, that is not bias.

 

[samh004]

Sorry, gotta say it, but exactly where is the anti-qantas bias in that story? Where is the lack of balance? Qantas is quoted extensively putting all the points anyone would raise. Nothing negative is written about qantas.

This sounds a lot like when Andrew Bolt was claiming bais against the ABC because the 730 report dared to question the policies of Howard. It is a factual story about an iconic Australian company. People want to know, that is not bias.

I believe the bias would lie not in the facts of the story, but the fact that they didn’t report on recent DJ issues and stuff like that. They clearly have Qantas only in their sights.

 

[medhead]

I believe the bias would lie not in the facts of the story, but the fact that they didn’t report on recent DJ issues and stuff like that. They clearly have Qantas only in their sights.

No sorry but that is not bias, that is about what is considered newsworthy. Like it or not the media consider qantas to be iconic, the facts about the existence of other airlines just doesn't come into that. Not only that, look at all the other airlines that have come and gone in australia, compass V1 and V2, ansett, ozjet, what's to say DJ isn't just another on a long list of bit players. Only qantas has been there for all that time. Only qantas evacuated people from suyabaya in WW2. yada, yada, yada That is why qantas gets reported.

If you want bias, I just saw this on Nine late news "Qantas has down played" concerns "after another of it's aircraft" has been grounded. That is biased. "downplayed" suggests qantas is misleading us. Another aircraft grounded, 1. is this aircraft grounded. 2. if so is it another grounded aircraft or the only grounded aircraft.

Please if we are going to talk bias at least pick a story that is biased

 

[mannej]

Are these engine surges occurring in the RR powered fleet, the GE powered fleet or both?

Do these incidents happen more frequently in one engine type of the other, and if so how often does it happen?

The problem hearing about these issues is that unless you dig deeper into the issue, than there is no comparison, so it really comes out as QANTAS=bad, but in reality it may be a daily occurrence world wide.

The one thing I do know about engine surges is that witnesses often mistake the event of the surge (i.e sparks etc) as the plane catching fire. Sounds like a pretty spectacular (if not scary) event