Double SC's - A mere Marketing tool or Doom for WP?

[Feper]

Re: WP for the first time ever

And this is how you took the thread off topic.It was started by a member who was happy on reaching WP.We know your views from other threads.Was entirely out of order in the thread started by Ashleyn.



Of no relevance.More relevant would be when at the Olympics when they switched from a mile to 1500 metres.The winners are not awarded 15/16th of a gold medal.





Your comments imply to me that you consider yourself the Emperor.





Taken in context your first comment certainly can be considered attacking the person.









Putting all your comments together what strikes me is your negativity.
Study the posts of Tony Hancock.Many of his ideas are similiar to yours but I always read his posts even if the subject does not interest me as he usually can put a smile on his face.
I am virtually at the point where for the first time I will put someone on my Ignore list.

So, this means no Christmas card from you this year?

Let me see if I understand your points -

- Read others and only post the way they do, don't have my own opinion. Check
- Always be happy with getting half way there, QF will do the rest. Check
- I am the Emperor. Check

Ok I think I have it. Thanks for your advice.

 

[k3nnis]

Feper why don't you open up your own lounge and you can have all the space to yourself Then you can decide who can enter Oops is this off topic?

 

[Feper]

No there wasn't. They were talking about something else and using one little thing as an example.


Sent from the Throne

Sorry, but I think the overlords agree with me.

There everyone,I'm smiling

 

[medhead]

Sorry, but I think the overlords agree with me.

There everyone,I'm smiling

If that were true they wouldn't have cut you post out as the start of another separate thread.


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[Feper]

Feper why don't you open up your own lounge and you can have all the space to yourself Then you can decide who can enter Oops is this off topic?

Be careful, before we all know it, there will be a separate thread, "Feper deserves his own lounge".

Hang on, that has a nice ring to it, I will in invite F passengers, CL and P1, I won't take away from anyone else, just a separate area for them.

Oh wait, that is exactly what I have been saying all along.

My bad.

 

[simongr]

Im afraid to pint out that the emperor has no clothes.

Never be afraid of anything - except clowns - always be afraid of clowns.

This ATA deserved to be dropped, why should you get access to the lounge when you are not flying with QF.
Great move by QF to remove the access.

BTW the rights and wrongs of ATA has been discussed at length. Go post in that thread of you wish to say anything about it.

Please don't start that again - last time it nearly gave me an embolism.

 

[blackcat20]

Oh and well done to both the OP and lovestotravel. Despite some members deriding you it's still a lot of flying to get to Platinum. So enjoy it and don't listen to what some sour grapes here say.

Agree! Those members who have used the Double SC offer to get to WP have still had to do a heck of a lot of flying (and spending). But there arent going to be many people down the bottom of the chain who would be prepared to fork out, so I doubt it really contributes to overcrowding etc. I'm someone who only flies a few times a year; even if Id got the offer I wouldn't have bothered. But if someone is prepared to make the effort, good on them!

 

[simongr]

Hang on, that has a nice ring to it, I will in invite F passengers, CL and P1, I won't take away from anyone else, just a separate area for them.

Oh wait, that is exactly what I have been saying all along.

My bad.

Actually no - you said initially that QF should remove access to the F lounge for WPs. Someone else suggested a separate new lounge and you claimed that was your original argument.

 

[medhead]

Actually no - you said initially that QF should remove access to the F lounge for WPs. Someone else suggested a separate new lounge and you claimed that was your original argument.

Exactly!


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[samh004]

To answer the OP, so I don't get my post removed, but also so I can tap out of this ridiculousness, DSC's serve a good ourpose, they make some of their customers book new fares. You'll note in the T&C's whenever there is a DSC offer, they always only apply to new bookings.

To take that a bit further, I'd imagine if loads were as high as they could get, if they were at say 95% every day of every week of every month for the better part of a year, there'd be no need for DSC offers as I doubt they'd want to hit 100% (a little spare is always useful). But for DSC offers to be so abundant must mean at certain times loads are a bit low and they needs bums in seats. Does it work? Quite obviously.

But what you've also got to realise is that this group of people on this website, does not equal the group of people that aren't on this website. Just because we all take up these offers so much doesn't mean the rest of Australia, for example, is also doing so. So you come here and see everyone jumping up and down with DSc bookings, but it's pretty much just here. Sure, there will be a few out in the 'real' world who are also maximising their status and haven't discovered sites like this, but far fewer than you think.

So it's not devaluing the program that much.

Wow, we are talking about purity here?

How dare I board other planes, be they CX, SQ ,AA, or BA when they fly to airports that I need to get to that QF don't.

If you can tell me how I can fly to Yangoon, Beijing, Washington, Brussels, Munich, Surabaya, Montreal or any other destination on QF metal, then I await to hear your wisdom.

I didn't say you couldn't fly other airlines, no airline has a good enough route map to cover every point on the globe, though I'm sure some are trying their best. What I said, which I don't expect you to understand as it's not in your nature to understand, is that from those partner flights you earned status, those partner flights contributed to your lifetime tally. Way more so than one British Airways flight to Malaga has contributed to mine.

I can't possibly know how many SC's you earned from partners, but it's definitely a lot more than me, and seeing as you brought up LTG and devaluing because of DSC, I simply added to that devaluing by partners. At least DSC is still within the Qantas Group, in fact just Qantas. Flying on partners isn't.

Edit: Just remembered I flew Air Pacific twice, so in the interests of honesty and truthfulness, some Sc's came from them, though I booked through QF on their codeshare. I presume you'll berate me because of this and avoid everything else, as is your nature. But this is off topic, and I was just replying, and now I'm off.

Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to discuss further.

 

[Mal Ware]

This thread reminds me of the movie Midnight express where everyone is walking in one direction around the wheel and when one person tries to walk the other way the other walkers are not happy.

 

[simongr]

And for the avoidance of doubt:

Surely it is now now time to change lounge access rules.
Has anyone apart from me noticed the rediculous amount of people in the First lounges at SIN, SYD LHR as well as the J lounges in SYD PER MEL AKL?
How can a lounge even pretend to be a First Class facility when people are required to stand or not be able to get a shower?
The time has come to get these first class lounges back to what they say they are, for First Class passengers, CL and P1 only.

Change access rules - and first class lounges only for F, CL and P1.

And then restated in another way:

The perfect way to solve this is to look at the SQ example Silver Kris lounge is available for Business Class passengers and PPS. (Rough equivalent to QF WP) Star Alliance Gold don't get a look in.
But further to this SQ has a dedicated First Lounge available only to First Class passengers and PPS Solitare (P1 equivalent) this is what QF should be aiming towards.

That second quote states that WP should be in the Business class lounge and F/P1 should be in the first class lounge.

It is 31 posts into the thread that the suggestion of creating a new lounge is mooted:

Now to repeat myself... My proposal is to create a " true " first lounge, access restricted to passengers in F, CL and P1.
the WP and J and OWE are in another, and QP OWS and Gold in another, and yes stop the double SC.

Again though WP and Business are lumped into a J lounge - a lesser benefit than WP currently receive.

 

[k3nnis]

Simon is spot on

 

[NM]

Re: WP for the first time ever

Thanks for the clarification, can you also please refer me to the link that that informs me what I can and can't say? There must be a section in there that you can cut and paste responses that appeal to the "senior" people in here and don't go against the grain.

Also to original question, should this topic not be in the name of the person who actually started it and titled it ( I.e a moderator)

[Mod Hat]
This applies equally to all members:

On the red bar towards the top of every forum page, just under the Blue/White banner, you will find a link entitled "Posting Guidelines and FAQ". This includes the guidelines all members agree to when joining AFF as a member, plus specific guidelines for specific content types such as New Items and personal details. Just in case you cannot locate it, the link is copied here:

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I do not believe there is any need to cut and paste from these guidelines into this thread.

This thread was created by moving off-topic posts from another thread. As such the original posting details (member, timestamp, title etc) remain with the post. They have just been moved from one thread to this new thread. The first post in this thread is the first post that took the original thread off-topic and as such that post remains the first post in this new thread. It is no possible to create a new post at the top of the thread as it would be out of sequence chronologically and would not appear at the start of the thread.

This brings to a conclusion the discussion regarding moderation on this thread. Civil debate and expression of personal opinion (within the aforementioned posting guidelines) is welcome to continue.
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[drron]

Re: WP for the first time ever

The nasty streak in me hopes that QF will open a new premium lounge for international travel that will only admit paid F and CL members.:shock:

 

[harvyk]

Re: WP for the first time ever

- Always be happy with getting half way there, QF will do the rest. Check

Yeah, good luck with that strategy. I've received the DSC promo once. It was at a time where I had a lull in my travels and all the travel I had planned was already booked. I do believe I managed to get a total of about 40SC's beyond what I would have gotten.

DSC is not free SC's it is a ploy to get you booking and flying in the very near future. If it was free SC's they'd award them for existing bookings.

 

[Fantic125]

To come back to the title of the thread :shock:, I would certainly agree that the use of a double status credit promotion is a useful marketing tool for Qantas to influence QF flyers who may not usually achieve WP in their flying year to book new flights with QF where, if it was for the promotion, they may have booked with other airlines.

Because it's a targeted promotion and not necessarily repeated to the same people each year, if they're not flying enough to maintain WP then they will drop back down to the appropriate tier. No different to me (and in this instance Fepers and a number of others) who took up the Virgin status match but have never used it. I expect to drop in status, and will not be fazed by it.

I would expect to see a small increase in WP's from the promotion, but I doubt it would mean a sustainable, incremental growth that would lead to continual overcrowding of F lounges and subsequent devaluation of WP benefits.

(For the record, I have received a DSC promotion, but it was after I had already re-qualified for WP. It did help me achieve the PG benefit however).

 

[TonyHancock]

Again though WP and Business are lumped into a J lounge - a lesser benefit than WP currently receive.

It could be called an F lounge, that would solve the problem. (I think I posted that somewhere else but that was a couple of bottles ago.) I'd happily go to a J Lounge with a restaurant and decent wine cellar if I knew I would get a table and be away from the, I'd better be careful here, mmmmm, ah yes, crowds.*

It's all rather going around in circles. I don't want to see WP's benefits devalued, but conversely I don't want to see my benefits devalued either. I believe Double SC offers do devalue status. I understand why QF makes the offers but I think there is a danger that we will see an erosion of benefits as QF struggles to provide for it's top tiers.

There are a number of WP's posting here and I respect their views and aspirations, but they are different to mine. I almost feel guilty posting because I want that little bit more, and perhaps see things from a different standpoint.

* I nearly mentioned the great unwashed, but as it is I think I got away with it.

 

[TonyHancock]

we don't all live up to the W in WP.

Speak for yourself!

 

[simongr]

There are a number of WP's posting here and I respect their views and aspirations, but they are different to mine. I almost feel guilty posting because I want that little bit more, and perhaps see things from a different standpoint.

* I nearly mentioned the great unwashed, but as it is I think I got away with it.

I think it is fine to state your opinions about how you feel - the problem is the mechanism to fix that just isn't there. Removing F lounge access to WP would be a major issue for QF but building an F only lounge I would expect (in the context of a business losing millions) uneconomic.