Denied seat recline on long haul

[whatmeworry]

FWIW - I'd imagine an injury like that would prevent the exit row as an option. There have been some silly suggestions, hence why I think some perspective was a good idea.

Other things would prevent people using the exit row as an option. For example, age, pregnancy, a person's physical strength (remember the person in the exit has to be some strength to open the door)... etc

I wonder if any people who have selected exit row seats online have been moved around because a FA deemed they couldn't carry out exit row duties in the event of a emergency?

 

[mannej]

Charming. The arrogance of the recliner shows no bounds.

That is funny that!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Should the seat behind me have a small person, a child or be empty then I may recline a little for comfort, but other than that, I respect the person behind me and do not selfishly swing my chair back regardless if they are in pain or not as people like you seem to do with glee.

bingo!! so now you admit that you recline your seat for comfort!! yay!! finally!!!

however, I am concerned that a 'small person or child' is not afforded the same rights as others? small people and children are not deserving of respect according to your quote? tsk tsk

 

[whatmeworry]

Generally from this thread I get the impression most seat recliners are self centred, Narcissistic individuals with no concerns about others then themselves!

 

[straitman]

Generally from this thread I get the impression most seat recliners are self centred, Narcissistic individuals with no concerns about others then themselves!

I would have to disagree with that.

From this thread I would have to say that most people, irrespective of their reclining stance, are considerate of others. There are however, a small percentage on both sides of the debate that fit your definition.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Generally from this thread I get the impression most seat recliners are self centred, Narcissistic individuals with no concerns about others then themselves!

I think you forgot some something....like..... Surely you are joking with that sentence?

If there is a button to recline, l am entitled to use it at "appropriate" times.

How do you know l haven't had back-surgery or knee reconstruction and sitting with a slight recline could relieve some pressure?

This is on the QF website;

Domestic Economy Class | Qantas

Don't want someone to recline into you, try to plan to fly in J or F cabins or with someone like JQ - (fixed seats on some aircraft).

End of story.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Generally from this thread I get the impression most seat recliners are self centred, Narcissistic individuals with no concerns about others then themselves!

Funny, because that's exactly what I'm getting from the anti-recline brigade.

 

[Mal Ware]

bingo!! so now you admit that you recline your seat for comfort!! yay!! finally!!!

What do you mean finally, I said as much on page 6 of this thread, that on rare occasions I might. Do try to keep up....

Not usually no, on the rare occasion that I do, I swing back and check with the person behind me. I usually see if it is a tall or big person when they sit down in which case I would not even consider it.

however, I am concerned that a 'small person or child' is not afforded the same rights as others? small people and children are not deserving of respect according to your quote? tsk tsk

Nice try but no cigar. Obviously a small child is not going to have their knees squashed by someone reclining, are they? Can you see the difference or does it not fit in with your theme here?

Generally from this thread I get the impression most seat recliners are self centred, Narcissistic individuals with no concerns about others then themselves!

Only about 99 percent of them.

 

[Pushka]

It's been said before Pushka, if you have special needs, select/buy an exit row seat or a higher class. Don't buy a standard Y seat then complain that your special needs have not been accommodated. It just doesn't work that way.

Goodness, you sound like an exasperated school teacher telling her naughty little children to behave.

I don't expect anyone to accommodate my special needs thank you.

That isn't what I said. And I detest it when someone tells me or others, to travel business class when I am not asking for a privilege but simply using the room that is provided when I book a seat.

I merely pointed out that if someone sitting behind you has their knees seemingly close to your seat then perhaps they are trying to ease their discomfort within the confines of their seat and not doing it just to irritate the person in front. I find your post rather rude when I was not complaining at all. Thanks for explaining how it all works though but maybe I've travelled a little more than you anyway. :evil:

Thankyou to those others who also took exception to this rather rude post. I appreciate it.

 

[ashleyn]

Maybe you have or maybe you haven't. It was not my intention to offend so for that I apologise.

 

[11sjw]

when I am not asking for a privilege but simply using the room that is provided when I book a seat.

If the person's seat in front reclines into a space then it isn't room provided solely to yourself. (IMO)

 

[Moody]

If the person's seat in front reclines into a space then it isn't room provided solely to yourself. (IMO)

This is the nub of the matter - it is shared space but only one person has the button. Sort of reminds me of a Simpsons episode where the whole family is wired up with buzzers that give electric shocks to other family members. It is supposed to engender a "do unto others ..." mentality but of course it descends into a "live and let die" buzz-fest that shorts out the building.

 

[schomers87]

Quintessential example yesterday. MEL-ADL: although it was a JQ flight, bloke in front reclined before takeoff when the FA's sat down. Decided to push back as hard as he could and kept it in position for the hour flight until he was asked by the FA to decline during descent. Flog.

 

[D747]

Quintessential example yesterday. MEL-ADL: although it was a JQ flight, bloke in front reclined before takeoff when the FA's sat down. Decided to push back as hard as he could and kept it in position for the hour flight until he was asked by the FA to decline during descent. Flog.

Very poor form IMHO.

 

[legroom]

Goodness, you sound like an exasperated school teacher telling her naughty little children to behave.

I don't expect anyone to accommodate my special needs thank you.

That isn't what I said. And I detest it when someone tells me or others, to travel business class when I am not asking for a privilege but simply using the room that is provided when I book a seat.

I merely pointed out that if someone sitting behind you has their knees seemingly close to your seat then perhaps they are trying to ease their discomfort within the confines of their seat and not doing it just to irritate the person in front. I find your post rather rude when I was not complaining at all. Thanks for explaining how it all works though but maybe I've travelled a little more than you anyway. :evil:

Thankyou to those others who also took exception to this rather rude post. I appreciate it.

Show us an QF (or any other airline) instruction that limits / bans the use of the seat recline function apart from take-offs / landings / meal times / turbulence.

Illuminate us with your non-narcissistic thought(s), if you are capable of one.

I, and all considerate others, buy the seats with the recline function as offered and intended by the airlines.

Apart from universally accepted norms of take-offs / landings / meal / air turbulence times, the person behind my seat has no moral (nor legal) authority to prescribe any behaviour regarding the seat recline function.

There is no legal (nor moral) limit on the right to access the recline button which is expressly provided with my seat.

Otherwise, the seat recline button would be provided to the person behind so permission by the recliner needs to be sought from the pax behind. Now, we all know that's a non-narcissistic non-reality.

All of the objectors claims to have physical limitations e.g. long knees etc.... but then.... why should anyone else be inconvenienced / limited because of your physical dimensions ?

Now, doesn't that satisfy the Oxford definition of narcissism "extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one’s own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type" ?

You cannot / will not select exit rows / Y+ or J because of your own volition (penniless or thrifty or whatever), having been fully aware of your physical dimensions but then you expect - no, demand - to be given special considerations from other pax (else, violence will materialise) !

As I advised the seat rockers, use Greyhound instead. You can be sure no one is going to recline into your face. That seems to suit your talents (or more to the point, lack of it resulting in an inability to purchase an exit row seat).

Your conscious choice of an economy seat pitch - well publicised on the net (link) - does not grant you any special compensation as you are now demanding.

This will be my last post on this thread as it is more productive to take Fido for a walk than "discussing" with people who is closed to reasons (who is happy to declare "guarantee to have no sleep", but then addressing a potential reaction as "emotional"; Loudly trumpeting to dish out but cannot take anything back - now, that's a weakling on my book).

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Sounds like some people need to seek some professional advice as it appears that they are taking the issue far too seriously, but what would I know I am only one of the "rif raf"

 

[Pushka]

Illuminate us with your non-narcissistic thought(s), if you are capable of one.

I, and all considerate others, buy the seats with the recline function as offered and intended by the airlines.

Apart from universally accepted norms of take-offs / landings / meal / air turbulence times, the person behind my seat has no moral (nor legal) authority to prescribe any behaviour regarding the seat recline function.

There is no legal (nor moral) limit on the right to access the recline button which is expressly provided with my seat.

Otherwise, the seat recline button would be provided to the person behind so permission by the recliner needs to be sought from the pax behind. Now, we all know that's a non-narcissistic non-reality.

All of the objectors claims to have physical limitations e.g. long knees etc.... but then.... why should anyone else be inconvenienced / limited because of your physical dimensions ?

Now, doesn't that satisfy the Oxford definition of narcissism "extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one’s own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type" ?

You cannot / will not select exit rows / Y+ or J because of your own volition (penniless or thrifty or whatever), having been fully aware of your physical dimensions but then you expect - no, demand - to be given special considerations from other pax (else, violence will materialise) !

Your conscious choice of an economy seat pitch - well publicised on the net (link) - does not grant you any special compensation as you are now demanding.

This will be my last post on this thread as it is more productive to take Fido for a walk than "discussing" with people who is closed to reasons (who is happy to declare "guarantee to have no sleep", but then addressing a potential reaction as "emotional"; Loudly trumpeting to dish out but cannot take anything back - now, that's a weakling on my book).

You have no idea. This is what I posted a few days ago. Feel silly much? Maybe even a weakling. Certainly couldn't say you have good comprehension. Violence? Great imagination. I said the opposite.

Sorry my comprehension must be bad too, I could make no sense of the paragraph about Fido.

Maybe just accept that if the recline function is available, then some will choose to use and some not. And those who usually don't, might one day feel so tired or unwell, that they may recline as a once off.

If the person in front of me reclines, I just hope they don't do it suddenly and whack me in the face. Or when trying to eat. I usually don't reciprocate by also reclining unless I really need to. Which I usually don't. I certainly don't get antsy when they do. Too many crazies in this world to know how they're going to react. Live and let live.

Guess I got the "too many crazies" part right.

If the person's seat in front reclines into a space then it isn't room provided solely to yourself. (IMO)

That isn't at all what I was saying. I was responding to another poster who said he was offended when someone else's legs were up against his seat - regardless of whether their seat was reclined.

Needs to be some better comprehension and understandings on this thread, and people stop jumping to conclusions based on their stance. No wonder this is such an issue when supposedly educated Australian Frequent Flyer members get all huffy puffy about it and not seeing this issue from anyone else's perspective but their own.

 

[ashleyn]

Needs to be some better comprehension and understandings on this thread, and people stop jumping to conclusions based on their stance. No wonder this is such an issue when supposedly educated Australian Frequent Flyer members get all huffy puffy about it and not seeing this issue from anyone else's perspective but their own.

That's hit the nail on the head I think. We are, after all, trying to debate one of the hottest topics globally and the root cause of a significant amount of air rage all around the world. The airlines have been silent on this matter, maybe it's time they took a stance ? I would personally approve eliminating the recline feature on all domestic flights worldwide. There, that will probably open another huge can of worms. Then expand that to International flights of < 5 hours (treading on thin ice I know).

Or we can all just agree to disagree, chill out and get back to providing valuable advice on this forum.

 

[tuapekastar]

That isn't at all what I was saying. I was responding to another poster who said he was offended when someone else's legs were up against his seat - regardless of whether their seat was reclined.

Needs to be some better comprehension and understandings on this thread, and people stop jumping to conclusions based on their stance. No wonder this is such an issue when supposedly educated Australian Frequent Flyer members get all huffy puffy about it and not seeing this issue from anyone else's perspective but their own.

With no reference to this particular thread (too many posts to review), I couldn't agree with you more regarding comprehension, or lack of. I sometimes wish the forum software would allow me to mark posts 'to be replied to by posters whose comprehension skills exceed those of the average healthy geranium.' But I suspect that won't happen.

 

[Mal Ware]

This will be my last post on this thread as it is more productive to take Fido for a walk than "discussing" with people who is closed to reasons (who is happy to declare "guarantee to have no sleep", but then addressing a potential reaction as "emotional"; Loudly trumpeting to dish out but cannot take anything back - now, that's a weakling on my book).

Yes, I would say that is almost as weak as reporting a post and having it removed, because it goes against your opinion, wouldn't you?