Denied seat recline on long haul

[oz_mark]

Which was clearly not the case here as the person reclined on ascent and fell asleep. Their intention was to sleep for as long as possible without any consideration for the person behind.

And I have also had an FA refuse to wake the person in front during meal service.

Having been is this situation myself, it truly is a cough situation to be in. You have someone reclining into you that they won't wake, but they expect you to be upright for the person behind.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Having been is this situation myself, it truly is a cough situation to be in. You have someone reclining into you that they won't wake, but they expect you to be upright for the person behind.

but thankfully, a person who goes to sleep and doesn't wake for meals is in such a tiny minority. That tiny minority is not indicative of what happens in 99% of cases, and in itself, shouldn't be used as an example to ban reclining.

on another data point, my friend flew to PER yesterday in row 3 (737), I told her row 4 enjoys extra leg-room, so bearing this in mind she wined, dined and reclined and reported a thoroughly comfortable flight!

 

[Moody]

but thankfully, a person who goes to sleep and doesn't wake for meals is in such a tiny minority. That tiny minority is not indicative of what happens in 99% of cases, and in itself, shouldn't be used as an example to ban reclining.

on another data point, my friend flew to PER yesterday in row 3 (737), I told her row 4 enjoys extra leg-room, so bearing this in mind she wined, dined and reclined and reported a thoroughly comfortable flight!

Extra leg room? Yes. Can you comfortably navigate into and out of your seat when the arrogant cough reclines in row 3? No.

Karma would be using the front loo and peeing all over the floor, but best to keep the moral high-ground in these situations and let them have their little w*nk.

 

[Sunstar]

I think not bothering to ask you then classify yourself as the person declining your request
Yes, it is your right to recline
but
you should not have to ask if it is ok
instead
what I do is, when the time comes, I turn around, and I inform the person that I am about to recline my seat, so they know, and I feel this is the respectful way to do it

 

[CaptPugwash]

Sorry I disagree with most of the replies. I paid for my seat space & not the position behind me. I don't sleep when flying and prefer to either work on my laptop or use the IFE. Most pax just recline rapidly without any regard for the person behind. Personally I find that locking my arms against the seat back in front for a few minutes after the seat belt sign is turned off usually does the trick. They assume the recline action is broken and eventually give up leaving me in peace with my limited space.

 

[Dougo]

I just don't get it when people get on a domestic flight, eg SYD - BNE and as soon as the seatbelt sign is off, back they go and pretend to sleep. Sorry, but I don't need to see you head lice / dandruff thanks !!

Long haul - fine, but short flights - hardly necessary - it's as if the precious darlings can't possibly sit upright in a chair at all.

I don't know anyone who has chairs in their homes that recline to the extent that airplane seats do yet somehow they all manage to sit up right at home but as soon as they are on a flight ... back they go.

 

[yohy?!]

Sorry I disagree with most of the replies. I paid for my seat space & not the position behind me. I don't sleep when flying and prefer to either work on my laptop or use the IFE. Most pax just recline rapidly without any regard for the person behind. Personally I find that locking my arms against the seat back in front for a few minutes after the seat belt sign is turned off usually does the trick. They assume the recline action is broken and eventually give up leaving me in peace with my limited space.

patience pays off...recline and little by little and before you know it my seat is in your face

 

[mannej]

Sorry I disagree with most of the replies. I paid for my seat space & not the position behind me. I don't sleep when flying and prefer to either work on my laptop or use the IFE. Most pax just recline rapidly without any regard for the person behind. Personally I find that locking my arms against the seat back in front for a few minutes after the seat belt sign is turned off usually does the trick. They assume the recline action is broken and eventually give up leaving me in peace with my limited space.

You may think so, but if an airline markets recline as part of the seat, you are paying for that as well.

As such, I find the stubborn action of hell no they are not going to recline much more ruder than the reclining itself.
How hard is it to find a happy medium in between?

 

[11sjw]

I just don't get it when people get on a domestic flight, eg SYD - BNE and as soon as the seatbelt sign is off, back they go and pretend to sleep. Sorry, but I don't need to see you head lice / dandruff thanks !!

Long haul - fine, but short flights - hardly necessary - it's as if the precious darlings can't possibly sit upright in a chair at all.

I don't know anyone who has chairs in their homes that recline to the extent that airplane seats do yet somehow they all manage to sit up right at home but as soon as they are on a flight ... back they go.

Don't "Jason" type recliners almost go horizontal?

 

[Princess Fiona]

Sorry I disagree with most of the replies. I paid for my seat space & not the position behind me. I don't sleep when flying and prefer to either work on my laptop or use the IFE. Most pax just recline rapidly without any regard for the person behind. Personally I find that locking my arms against the seat back in front for a few minutes after the seat belt sign is turned off usually does the trick. They assume the recline action is broken and eventually give up leaving me in peace with my limited space.

Welcome to AFF, interesting first post.
If I was sitting in front of you in long-haul economy I doubt that I would assume my seat was broken, more likely assume that there was a physical/ mechanical obstruction to my seat recline and have the FA's investigate.
If the seat was working well I would use the recline function when I wanted to sleep and and after the meal trays had been cleared away.

 

[blackcat20]

Welcome to AFF, interesting first post.
If I was sitting in front of you in long-haul economy I doubt that I would assume my seat was broken, more likely assume that there was a physical/ mechanical obstruction to my seat recline and have the FA's investigate.
If the seat was working well I would use the recline function when I wanted to sleep and and after the meal trays had been cleared away.

Assuming you realised that it was the person behind jamming your seat, I figured you'd just wait for him to nod off, then recline away....

 

[CaptPugwash]

Welcome to AFF, interesting first post.
If I was sitting in front of you in long-haul economy I doubt that I would assume my seat was broken, more likely assume that there was a physical/ mechanical obstruction to my seat recline and have the FA's investigate.
If the seat was working well I would use the recline function when I wanted to sleep and and after the meal trays had been cleared away.

Thanks for your post & welcome. I am actually not that mean, my tactic is usually reserved for the pax in front who has no regard for the person behind and reclines during meals, takeoff, landing etc. Apologies, I strayed from the long haul topic and of course would be accepting of the need to recline and rest when meal trays have been cleared and cabin lights dimmed.

 

[Dougo]

Don't "Jason" type recliners almost go horizontal?

Not that I've seen ... the only ones I've seen that almost go horizontal are dentist chairs !

 

[legroom]

I am tall if someone full reclines in front of me, I politely ask them to move it forward a little. If they refuse I can garuntee they will not get sleep as my knees will constantly be moving their seat forwards along with magazine shuffling at about 15-20 minute intervals.

The "the person in-front of me reclined so you have to cop it" excuse is weak.

Maybe it has been replied elsewhere but I find this attitude rather confronting and unacceptable.

Sure, if you are a tall person... you think you deserve some special considerations flying whY ?

The pax in front, meals finished / trays cleared, has every right to settle down to rest, relax or sleep.

The seat recline function expressly allows him/her that option - notwithstanding your "tallness".

Perhaps, you should employ your "tallness" in some other endeavours to allow you to purchase a Y+, J or F seat which would give you the space you are so specious about.

I find it "weak" to resort to violence - rocking the seat back & forth with your knees - to get your way.

No two ways about it: "guarantee not to get any sleep" is a form of violence !

Uncomfortable, yes... it happens to all of us in Y, even the shorter ones or the lean ones.

Special rights because of your height ?? Please spare us that thought. It is so wrong.

Travel less, save more.... then travel in non-Y class. That would be my advice for any seat rockers !!

 

[Fantic125]

I just don't get it when people get on a domestic flight, eg SYD - BNE and as soon as the seatbelt sign is off, back they go and pretend to sleep.

A domestic flight (SYD-ADL or MEL-ADL) is almost always the final leg of my travel.

After travelling non-stop GIG-SCL-AKL-SYD or STR-FRA-SIN-SYD in Y with little or no sleep I'm sometimes inclined to recline slightly and try to get some sleep on the final leg.....

 

[Mal Ware]

Maybe it has been replied elsewhere but I find this attitude rather confronting and unacceptable.

Sure, if you are a tall person... you think you deserve some special considerations flying whY ?

The pax in front, meals finished / trays cleared, has every right to settle down to rest, relax or sleep.

The seat recline function expressly allows him/her that option - notwithstanding your "tallness".

Perhaps, you should employ your "tallness" in some other endeavours to allow you to purchase a Y+, J or F seat which would give you the space you are so specious about.

I find it "weak" to resort to violence - rocking the seat back & forth with your knees - to get your way.

No two ways about it: "guarantee not to get any sleep" is a form of violence !

Uncomfortable, yes... it happens to all of us in Y, even the shorter ones or the lean ones.

Special rights because of your height ?? Please spare us that thought. It is so wrong.

Travel less, save more.... then travel in non-Y class. That would be my advice for any seat rockers !!

Your reply is ironic considering your username.

 

[legroom]

Your reply is ironic considering your username.

Not really !

While I do value my space, I tend to respect others' needs equally - when flying whY.

I always opt to pay for exit row, Y+, J or recently F seating so that I do not have to be inconvenienced by seat rockers ... like yourself

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Maybe it has been replied elsewhere but I find this attitude rather confronting and unacceptable.

Sure, if you are a tall person... you think you deserve some special considerations flying whY ?

The pax in front, meals finished / trays cleared, has every right to settle down to rest, relax or sleep.

The seat recline function expressly allows him/her that option - notwithstanding your "tallness".

Perhaps, you should employ your "tallness" in some other endeavours to allow you to purchase a Y+, J or F seat which would give you the space you are so specious about.

I find it "weak" to resort to violence - rocking the seat back & forth with your knees - to get your way.

No two ways about it: "guarantee not to get any sleep" is a form of violence !

Uncomfortable, yes... it happens to all of us in Y, even the shorter ones or the lean ones.

Special rights because of your height ?? Please spare us that thought. It is so wrong.

Travel less, save more.... then travel in non-Y class. That would be my advice for any seat rockers !!

being tall myself I can tell you this is not about the legroom! Tall people with long legs benefit from recline just like everyone else does.

You need to look for potential underlying causes which have been discussed above as reasons why people don't like recliners!

Interesting story today (unrelated but relevant to this topic in a round-about way)... I was on the bus sitting behind a flight attendant and her friend. Flight attendant was relaying passenger stories and in particular one pax who told her they thought they should be entitled to extra services (drinks or whatever) because 'they were paying fully flexible prices' for their travel and were 'paying more than most people on the flight'. Flight attendant said to her friend 'honestly... people think they are entitled to all sorts of things... i had to point out to him - politely - that he was still in economy!!'

So yeah - if you want to fly economy then you get what you pay for... which is the possibility of a seat reclining into you, and you being able to recline into someone else.

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

And accidents happen when you get up and to get something out of your overhead locker too and slip

 

[amaroo]

And accidents happen when you get up and to get something out of your overhead locker too and slip

Are you for real?