Child defecates on seat.

[TomVexille]

I'm guessing the FAs didn't want to risk anything legal, and that is without considering any physical consequences that could be inflicted upon them...they are stuck between a rock and hard place, and the legal precedence owing to where they are employed does not help. A terrorist threat is one thing... .

Remember it is illegal on an American carrier to disobey crewmember instructions

 

[anat0l]

Remember it is illegal on an American carrier to disobey crewmember instructions

I think that is likely correct in most jurisdictions (the US are one of the few or only airlines which explicitly tell passengers of this law). Saying that, breaking that directive (by offender passengers) and the consequences which occurs thereafter are all very different things. Otherwise, it should be reasonably assumed that this event should not have happened with some crew direction.

 

[Caversham04]

Sadly, standards are slipping everywhere. I was on the ferry to Alcatraz a few months ago when the American lady sitting diagonally in front of me started scratching vigorously. I couldn't help but notice that her hand was not only inside her trousers but also inside the back of her underwear...... and having finished scratching (after quite some time), she simply sniffed her fingers then carried on with the rest of the tour......:shock:

Needless to say, I made certain that I was in front of her in every queue for the rest of the trip.......

 

[TomVexille]

I think that is likely correct in most jurisdictions (the US are one of the few or only airlines which explicitly tell passengers of this law). Saying that, breaking that directive (by offender passengers) and the consequences which occurs thereafter are all very different things. Otherwise, it should be reasonably assumed that this event should not have happened with some crew direction.

Well I think we all agree that it shouldn't have happened.

 

[JohnK]

Drunk Australians in Bali/Thailand/anywhere else...

Bogans? Shouldn't be allowed to travel anywhere. No, seriously.

Loud obnoxious Russians/Americans/Germans ect.

Stereotypes exist about every nationality.

And so they should.

So anat01 I have edited my post.However my experiences with those from mainland China on planes,hotels and on cruises has been such that they have taken over from drunken Aussies.I have been known to deny my Australian nationality in the past due to the behaviour of fellow Aussies.
However witnessing first hand the behaviour of rich mainland Chinese means I will not resile from my statements.In Cameroon,West Africa,seeing a Chinese woman move an almost certainly dying infant so she could get a better photo was much worse than the incident we are discussing.It disgusted me.

My experiences are similar.

It is not racist to say Mainland Chinese, Russians and to a lesser extent Koreans and Japanese should stay home. Loud, rude, disgusting people who have no regard for anyone around them.

I didn't miss them on my last trip to Thailand. I might have to pray for more military coups that will keep them away.

 

[TomVexille]

And so they should.

I forgot loud, stingy, hairy mammas boys Greeks

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Remember it is illegal on an American carrier to disobey crewmember instructions

I think that is likely correct in most jurisdictions (the US are one of the few or only airlines which explicitly tell passengers of this law). Saying that, breaking that directive (by offender passengers) and the consequences which occurs thereafter are all very different things. Otherwise, it should be reasonably assumed that this event should not have happened with some crew direction.

Just on a technicality... the briefing in regards to USA airlines is a little more restrictive than mentioned here. The wording of CFR121.571 is this:

This briefing shall include a statement that the Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with the lighted passenger information signs, posted placards, areas designated for safety purposes as no smoking areas, and crewmember instructions with regard to these items.

There are similar provisions regarding seat belts for example.... where the instruction to obey crew member instructions is in regard to 'seatbelts' specifically.

That is not to say there is not a general requirement for passengers to obey (lawful) crew member instructions (on all airlines worldwide)... but the announcement on USA carriers is quite specific and not of a general nature.

Regarding 'lawful' - lots of weird stuff happens in the USA. So the question of airlines interfering in things which might not be 'awful' can get more tricky than what we are sued to in Australia.

As for the incident in this thread... a child going to the toilet that was is not uncommon in China. That doesn't excuse the behaviour of these particular passengers, but it is something I saw fairly often during my time there. It is perhaps no worse however than any other passenger changing a nappy using the tray table rather than in the bathroom. Just as disgusting.

 

[TomVexille]

Just on a technicality... the briefing in regards to USA airlines is a little more restrictive than mentioned here. The wording of CFR121.571 is this:



There are similar provisions regarding seat belts for example.... where the instruction to obey crew member instructions is in regard to 'seatbelts' specifically.

That is not to say there is not a general requirement for passengers to obey (lawful) crew member instructions (on all airlines worldwide)... but the announcement on USA carriers is quite specific and not of a general nature general.

One could argue that defecation in the cabin is a safety issue.

 

[JohnK]

I forgot loud, stingy, hairy mammas boys Greeks

You see that does not offend me as it is more than likely true.

At least when they are sitting next to each other they don't talk as if they are shouting at someone 100 metres away.

And they don't force you off the footpath when they are walking 3-4 abreast across the footpath.

And they don't push you out of the way when you are the first person waiting to get in the lift and you have a trolley with 2 bags and golf clubs.

And they don't come over and push you out of the way as you are getting things from the breakfast buffet.

Have I left anything out?

 

[TomVexille]

You see that does not offend me as it is more than likely true.

At least when they are sitting next to each other they don't talk as if they are shouting at someone 100 metres away.

And they don't force you off the footpath when they are walking 3-4 abreast across the footpath.

And they don't push you out of the way when you are the first person waiting to get in the lift and you have a trolley with 2 bags and golf clubs.

And they don't come over and push you out of the way as you are getting things from the breakfast buffet.

Have I left anything out?

Different cultures value different things.

I learnt very quickly when travelling in India that I need to be pushy like the locals. They respect you for it

 

[JohnK]

Different cultures value different things.

I learnt very quickly when travelling in India that I need to be pushy like the locals. They respect you for it

Like burping and farting while you are eating?

No thanks. Some animals have better manners.

Why is it Australians are told they need to be aware of what's acceptable and what's not when travelling yet other cultures do what they feel and we just accept that's how they are?

 

[burmans]

It is not racist to say Mainland Chinese, Russians and to a lesser extent Koreans and Japanese should stay home. Loud, rude, disgusting people who have no regard for anyone around them.

Ah, the good old "I'm not racist" but line!

 

[TomVexille]

Why is it Australians are told they need to be aware of what's acceptable and what's not when travelling yet other cultures do what they feel and we just accept that's how they are?

That I will agree with

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Why is it Australians are told they need to be aware of what's acceptable and what's not when travelling yet other cultures do what they feel and we just accept that's how they are?

From a purely commercial point of view we actually want, NEED, tourists to come to visit us and spend money. A bad reputation might not be seen to help that.

 

[amaroo]

Don't need to leave Australia to see this type of behaviour - similar thing occurred in the queue (only it was an adult) when the WOW store opened at Chullora in the late 90's.

Woolies didn't mind - they took something $8M in the first week (setting at the time) a new sales record.

 

[JohnK]

From a purely commercial point of view we actually want, NEED, tourists to come to visit us and spend money. A bad reputation might not be seen to help that.

I was referring to other cultures visiting the same places Australians visit overseas.

If an Australian misbehaves overseas we expect better and throw the book at them whilst if people form other cultures misbehave we just accept they don't know any better and therefore it is OK.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I was referring to other cultures visiting the same places Australians visit overseas.

If an Australian misbehaves overseas we expect better and throw the book at them whilst if people form other cultures misbehave we just accept they don't know any better and therefore it is OK.

So you want Australians to have lower expectations of ourselves AND others?

 

[JohnK]

So you want Australians to have lower expectations of ourselves AND others?

No. Treat everyone with the same high standards we expect of ourselves.

It is not OK to slurp noodles so you are heard at the furthest boarding gate from the lounge.

It is not OK to burp and fart through the meal.

It is not OK to push people out of the way. Anywhere.

It is not OK to defecate on any seat. Anywhere.

 

[SeatBackForward]

No. Treat everyone with the same high standards we expect of ourselves.

It is not OK to slurp noodles so you are heard at the furthest boarding gate from the lounge.

It is not OK to burp and fart through the meal.

It is not OK to push people out of the way. Anywhere.

It is not OK to defecate on any seat. Anywhere.

And you don't see the irony, in not liking others opinions forced upon you?

 

[TomVexille]

No. Treat everyone with the same high standards we expect of ourselves.

It is not OK to slurp noodles so you are heard at the furthest boarding gate from the lounge.

Nothing wrong with noodle slurping now...