Can you pass you FF number and points as part of your estate?

[Sprucegoose]

Just a thought, someone will have read the fine print about transferability. What if specifically mentioned in a will?

SPRUCE:idea:

 

[markis10]

Once you pass on, so does your QFF membership and points once QF find out, according the the T&C's, which also say the points have no value!

 

[Ms Lucy]

The terms and conditions on the website say no:

"8.3 Membership will terminate automatically on the death of a Member. Points earned but not yet redeemed or transferred prior to the death of the Member will be cancelled. Qantas will close the Member's account on notification of the Member's death. Qantas will not be liable for any loss or damage whatsoever suffered by any person as a result of such cancellation."

 

[kamchatsky]

I don't believe that you can do this at all. The best way is to actually redeem all the points for tickets for all the family members!

That's why it is wise to burn the points when you can, and keep the balance low, unless you want to save up for a big trip.

 

[MissBurrill]

I was thinking that if a loved one knows your pin they could do a family transfer of your points. Then eventually tell the airline that you have passed.

 

[samh004]

I was thinking that if a loved one knows your pin they could do a family transfer of your points. Then eventually tell the airline that you have passed.

I guess to be safe, transfer and use the points before letting them know

If they decide to kick up a fuss, maybe ACA would like to weigh in

 

[Dave Noble]

I was thinking that if a loved one knows your pin they could do a family transfer of your points. Then eventually tell the airline that you have passed.

They could still quite validly take the miles back if the transfer was not performed before the death

 

[Sprucegoose]

The terms and conditions on the website say no:

"8.3 Membership will terminate automatically on the death of a Member. Points earned but not yet redeemed or transferred prior to the death of the Member will be cancelled. Qantas will close the Member's account on notification of the Member's death. Qantas will not be liable for any loss or damage whatsoever suffered by any person as a result of such cancellation."

mmmm on notification eh.........

 

[MissBurrill]

They could still quite validly take the miles back if the transfer was not performed before the death

Unless you died a well publicised death would the airline know when you died?

 

[samh004]

Unless you died a well publicised death would the airline know when you died?

Exactly, unless they were spamming you with all sorts of special offers unnecessarily then why would you even tell them, it’s not the biggest problem getting a statement that lists no earn/spend every year!

 

[JohnK]

There is no need for Qantas to be informed of a death. They may find out eventually. Why make their task easier? Most people earn QFF points the hard way and have every right to use those QFF points.

 

[serfty]

See this thread about how things may/may not work:

http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/com...ram/qantas-story-today-tonight-last-9043.html

 

[simongr]

There is supposition that the word notification is in there for a reason - that QFF are willing to turn a blind eye if it is all sorted before they know anything.

I think the reasoning for not allowing transfers as part of an estate is that it would imply a monetary value to the points and they always maintain that there is no monetary value.

 

[MelUser]

There was a woman on here about 2 years ago who had booked (on points/redemption) an around the world trip with her husband via her husband's Qantas Frequent Flyer Account.

Before the trip started, the husband died.

The woman (naively some would say) rang Qantas to ask to have the husband's ticket transferred into her son's name so that he could travel with her.

Qantas immediately:

(1) Cancelled the husband's ticket;

(2) Cancelled/annnulled/withdrew/took away all of the husband's qantas frequent flyer points and terminated the account.

The poor woman was very distraught and sought solace on this website.

The moral of that story was to not to advise Qantas.

These days (or more correctly post July this year) all points will be deleted from a Qantas Account after 18 months of non-activity.

So after a family member's death, the points can be quietly and discreetly (ie not discussing it on this website) used up as needed and then the account just left and after 18 months it will dissipate away.

 

[dajop]

Of course using the abbreviation "FF" everyone has assumed you mean QF, including me.

However there are other programs have different terms & conditions. Some actually do permit points to be part of your estate, for example Virgin Blue Velocity T&C (clause 3.7) indicates:

If you die, VRPL will give the executors or administrators of your estate an opportunity to notify VRPL within 12 months after your death with their wishes regarding Points allocated to you at the time of your death.

 

[markis10]

Points were discussed as being transferable on divorce and there have been legal precedents confirming this, despite QFF insisting they have no value, one cannot help but think eventually QF may move to the conditions stipulated by DJ, IMHO they are much fairer.

 

[samh004]

Points were discussed as being transferable on divorce and there have been legal precedents confirming this, despite QFF insisting they have no value, one cannot help but think eventually QF may move to the conditions stipulated by DJ, IMHO they are much fairer.

Would changing the conditions to match DJ’s give the FF program more value, or less, in terms of how much it is worth if they wanted to sell it off, like they did at one stage?

 

[markis10]

That would affect the profitability of the QFF program obviously, but that could well be something QFF have no say over! Must admit I was quite surprised at reports that points were being split in divorce proceedings!

 

[Jacques Vert]

Points were discussed as being transferable on divorce and there have been legal precedents confirming this, despite QFF insisting they have no value, one cannot help but think eventually QF may move to the conditions stipulated by DJ, IMHO they are much fairer.

Competition is a worderfull thing!

JV

 

[JohnK]

Must admit I was quite surprised at reports that points were being split in divorce proceedings!

Why not? They split everything else (note forcefully take) including things the other person has accumulated for many years before entering marriage.