Brisbane Curfew coming?

[markis10]

[h=1]Brisbane Airport introducing slot management while curfew looms[/h] 25 Jul 2012
Doug Nancarrow

Brisbane Airport will have a slot scheme in place later this year to deal with capacity constraints at peak periods.


But the airport is also facing a possible curfew, with a government review of night time operations also happening before the end of the year.
Airport CEO JUlieanne Alroe told the Aviation Summit in Sydney this week that peak hour demand is now just too great for single runway operations.



http://www.aviationbusiness.com.au/...ntroducing-slot-management-while-curfew-looms

 

[TonyHancock]

Brisbane Airport introducing slot management while curfew looms

25 Jul 2012
Doug Nancarrow

Brisbane Airport will have a slot scheme in place later this year to deal with capacity constraints at peak periods.


But the airport is also facing a possible curfew, with a government review of night time operations also happening before the end of the year.
Airport CEO JUlieanne Alroe told the Aviation Summit in Sydney this week that peak hour demand is now just too great for single runway operations.



Aviation Business: Brisbane Airport introducing slot management while curfew looms

Oh the airport. When I saw the title I thought the Federal Govt might have stepped in to keep the residents of Brisbane under control!

 

[SeatBackForward]

Ouch @ curfew. That was one of BNE's biggest drawcards at being the "gateway to Australia". They had an airport that could operate 24/7 unlike Sydney, and less fog events like SYD and MEL.

 

[anat0l]

I think even if a curfew is put in place you're still going to get a huge number of noise complaints. I thought there was at least one resident who had documented every single instance of what he regarded as a noise complaint due to aircraft movement. Naturally, that was all through the day. I don't think giving him multi-layer noise-proofed windows would work.

Putting a curfew on will already start to pull at the strings of some flights as it is, unless it has a different period and/or length compared to what is experienced at SYD. For example, SQ, MH, CX and QF have flights which leave around midnight (or just after), and EK have a flight which leaves around 2am-ish. During ADST, flights to SYD and MEL leave first in the morning around 5am (and a little earlier for DJ flights). Hopefully such flights will still be permitted. Otherwise, that's just going to really mess up people for half the year (or, God forbid, trivially force QLD to join ADST) - morning meetings, day trips, international connections, etc.

In a way, I'm not surprised that this is curfew is coming.

 

[here2go]

Next place that might get a curfew in Darwin, but nobody is seeing it. Courtesy of the political campaign up here, the CLP want to put new homes directly in the flight path and within ANEF Noise Contour 20. The Commonwealth and Darwin Airport I'm sure will fight it, but assuming there is a change of government, and they get their way, we could kiss goodbye to the fun of Operation Pitch Black, and the redeyes, which will see airfares to the Top End grow with fewer flights.
Civilian aircraft are something, but the RAAF and RSAF taking off is something else - your whole house literally shakes when you are within the contour. I still remember my son coming out from his room shaking with fright the first time last year. Now he sleeps through it, and we know to have captions on the TV and hit pause on the PVR whenever they are training.

 

[boylero]

dont live in the flight path just outside actually, but often hear planes very late at night and very early in the morning when they land from the east

 

[markis10]

I do enjoy hearing EK at 9.10PM, dont hear the one at 2AM!

 

[iRobbo]

There is Noise Abatement procedures from 10 pm through to 6am local which state land Runway 19, depart Runway 01 (wind and weather permitting). There are quite a few passenger flights through the night, also quite a few freight aircraft (mostly non-jet that would probably still be allowed to operate).

As an aside, Runway 14/32 will not be useable from 26 September while they conduct civil works (a drain will go under it)

 

[docjames]

+1 they do over-water departures overnight (subject to weather).

I reported a MAS freighter that came over our house c2am one night - way way off course (turned west after take off to the south way too early) and was also way too low. The old queenslander was rocking and rolling as the 742F thundered overhead. A hundered and fifty metres further west and it wouldnt have cleared Balmoral Hill by much.....

Heaven help anyone who buys a house in DRW under the flightpath as the b52s arrive / depart :shock:

 

[JohnK]

Most know my position on the matter.

I think curfews are a good idea. If they affect your flight schedules then it is quite to adjust your schedules. Not easy to block noise regardless of how many layers of glazing you put on the windows.

 

[here2go]

+1 they do over-water departures overnight (subject to weather).

Heaven help anyone who buys a house in DRW under the flightpath as the b52s arrive / depart :shock:

I didn't hear it today, and I'm in the noise contour (I have been out and about a bit), and can hear the difference with some of the civilian traffic - the Qantas 767s make themselves known, but that could also be the passengers applying gaffer tape to the inside of the plane to stop the panels falling off. Singaporean F-16s and Indonesian Sukhois are phenomenal. Super Hornets aren't much better. As civilian aircraft get quieter, military aircraft get noisier.

 

[k_sheep]

Noooooooooo to the curfew. I hate SYD having one as it is. If you bought your house under the flight path (and all the maps are readily available for current and future plans) then you've no right to complain about noise.

Incidentally I live directly under one approach flight path, so it's not just a NIMBY issue.

 

[SteveJohnson]

Not sure if this is the best place to ask but what with new aircraft like the B787 being much quieter, has there been any talk of airports with curfews like Sydney having a special 'dispensation' for these aircraft to take off and land, say, one hour either side of the current curfew? They'd have to have some official db rating, above this and you are subject to curfew but under so-many db's and you can land or take off in this 'quiet zone'. Has anybody heard of airports looking into this?

 

[Robert Qld]

Having grown up basically near all the Amberley flight paths, I am shockingly good at sleeping through this stuff.

However I realise I'm in the minority.

Sorry to ask such a daft question, but out of curiosity, what are the affected areas around BNE airport? Every single flight I've had, international or domestic, descends over Moreton Bay where there is just water, mangroves and the Port of Brisbane, I would've though suburbs like Pinkenba, Ascot and Nudgee would be far enough away from the noise...

 

[Sprucegoose]

Can they do regional flights out of another airport?

Whats the mining hi viz demand? Anything like Perth.

Personally I find it a very forgettable airport. Hobart has more personality


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[Sprucegoose]

I do enjoy hearing EK at 9.10PM, dont hear the one at 2AM!

I used to be able to tell what time of night it was with the 3am MH that had out of Perth years ago! Quite handy if you are a insomniac



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[markis10]

Having grown up basically near all the Amberley flight paths, I am shockingly good at sleeping through this stuff.

However I realise I'm in the minority.

Sorry to ask such a daft question, but out of curiosity, what are the affected areas around BNE airport? Every single flight I've had, international or domestic, descends over Moreton Bay where there is just water, mangroves and the Port of Brisbane, I would've though suburbs like Pinkenba, Ascot and Nudgee would be far enough away from the noise...

If the prevailing southerlies are strong then it's ascot, bulimba, east Brisbane etc that get the noise.

 

[docjames]

Sorry to ask such a daft question, but out of curiosity, what are the affected areas around BNE airport? Every single flight I've had, international or domestic, descends over Moreton Bay where there is just water, mangroves and the Port of Brisbane, I would've though suburbs like Pinkenba, Ascot and Nudgee would be far enough away from the noise...

Markis10 has already answered, but essentially prevailing winds mean daytime takeoffs typically head south initially, and arrivals vary but split reasonably between north or south approach. Late at night where demand is less, aircraft can in fact accept a modest tail wind and take off to the north (whereas during daylight hours, demand is high and it's impractical to have arrivals and takeoffs opposing each other). So southside suburbs Morningside, Bulimba, Norman Park, Balmoral get a decent chunk of the noise. Hendra etc is east and there is no east/west runway so they tend not to be as affected.

Useful info here:

Brisbane Airport Corporation - Experience Centre

http://www.bne.com.au/sites/all/files/content/files/Above%20and%20Beyond%20Booklet%20Web.pdf

 

[markis10]

Apologies to the residents of bulimba whose suburb autocorrects to bulimia! I live at Kangaroo Point and the heavies are pretty noticeable at times, but I don't mind it.

 

[Robert Qld]

Cheers thanks for the answer guys. Fascinating!