Brexit The Movie

[Renato1]

I always wondered how the EU works.
After watching this Brexit movie, if accurate, its suggests that after two and a half thousand years, a form of Plato's model of government has finally been established, with effectively what are Philospher Princes running the show.

I'm glad I live in Australia.
Regards,
Renato

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k

 

[drron]

Actually I learnt about the EU from Jim Hacker-

[video=youtube_share;Tg2gEvtr480]https://youtu.be/Tg2gEvtr480[/video]

 

[Renato1]

Actually I learnt about the EU from Jim Hacker-

But Jim Hacker was totally fictional.
Remember the episode where he saved the British sausage from EEC regulations? Apparently it would have been almost impossible for him to have done so.
According to the Brexit Movie, Britain has lodged a total of 72 objections to such regulations, and all the 72 objections were rejected.
Cheers,
Renato

P.S. I tried watching the clip, but I've just lost sound on this computer again.

 

[RAM]

But Jim Hacker was totally fictional.
Remember the episode where he saved the British sausage from EEC regulations? Apparently it would have been almost impossible for him to have done so.
According to the Brexit Movie, Britain has lodged a total of 72 objections to such regulations, and all the 72 objections were rejected.
Cheers,
Renato
P.S. I tried watching the clip, but I've just lost sound on this computer again.

Did you see the report that the EU has quietly postponed planned punitive measures to outlaw electric kettles and toasters to much lower power devices. As the UK is the largest market for both devices (many times higher per capita than any other EU member) the EU bureaucracy has postponed the implementation until AFTER the BREXIT vote.

Yes Minister!

 

[Isochronous]

It will be a great day for human dignity and freedom when Britons vote to regain their democracy and sovereignty on June 23.

 

[Renato1]

Did you see the report that the EU has quietly postponed planned punitive measures to outlaw electric kettles and toasters to much lower power devices. As the UK is the largest market for both devices (many times higher per capita than any other EU member) the EU bureaucracy has postponed the implementation until AFTER the BREXIT vote.

Yes Minister!

I didn't see the report, but it doesn't surprise me. I was aware that new EU regulations required devices such as kettles, electric hairdryers, vacuum cleaners and the like to be much lower power devices, and that every vacuum cleaner being made in Britain was illegal. And that people were rushing into Switzerland and buying six vacuum cleaners each to take back home.

Never has there been a more stupid regulation than that to do with kettles as plainly, it doesn't matter whether it is a low power kettle or a high power kettle, each has to consume the same amount of power to heat water to 100C. Similarly, to dry hair requires a certain amount of heat, and to vacuum floors to the same amount of cleanliness requires a certain amount of suction. As energy saving measures, these regulations are stupid. But as measures to ensure that more appliance work is done in the EU and lock out foreign competition (who would have to tool up to make the lower power devices), they are sensible.

One interesting thing I saw living in Italy was washing machines. In Australia, we put a load of washing into the washing machine, and come back 20 or 30 minutes later and hang it out to dry. But in Italy, we put a smaller load in, and for a standard wash come back over two hours later, or three hours later for a thorough wash, and take the clothes out. Most houses in Italy only have 3.4KW of power being fed into them, and can't run our washing machines. Air-conditioning is out of the question unless they are willing to pay exorbitant supply fees and power-use charges to get 6.5KW into their houses.

I think that if more English lived in Italy for a while, they'd see their future, and might not be too happy about it.
Regards,
Renato

 

[Renato1]

It will be a great day for human dignity and freedom when Britons vote to regain their democracy and sovereignty on June 23.

Well, it's their choice. If one of the premises of the movie is correct, namely that after WW11 a beaten and flattened Germany became an economic powerhouse through deregulation, while victorious Britain became a stagnating basket case through over-regulation, the kind of Britain envisioned in the movie - outside of the EU - would only work under someone like Thatcher. Under someone like Corbyn, I suspect they'd be knocking at the EU's door to get back in again.
Regards,
Renato

 

[whatmeworry]

Well, it's their choice. If one of the premises of the movie is correct, namely that after WW11 a beaten and flattened Germany became an economic powerhouse through deregulation, while victorious Britain became a stagnating basket case through over-regulation, the kind of Britain envisioned in the movie - outside of the EU - would only work under someone like Thatcher. Under someone like Corbyn, I suspect they'd be knocking at the EU's door to get back in again.
Regards,
Renato

Oh geez. You do realise countries like GB and France were very broke after WW2.

You know why a couple of reasons why Germany and Japan were once the second or third biggest economies in the world? The USA.

Both despite being defeated partly due to the USA, the USA backed both West Germany and Japan.

Both Japan and West Germany had defensive armies. As a result they directed their economies into production.

Both countries also enjoyed handsomely due to the cold war.

 

[Renato1]

Oh geez. You do realise countries like GB and France were very broke after WW2.

You know why a couple of reasons why Germany and Japan were once the second or third biggest economies in the world? The USA.

Both despite being defeated partly due to the USA, the USA backed both West Germany and Japan.

Both Japan and West Germany had defensive armies. As a result they directed their economies into production.

Both countries also enjoyed handsomely due to the cold war.

Beats me about the accuracy of the claim, but the claim in the Brexit Movie is that Britain got more aid from the USA than what the USA gave to Germany, after WW11.

And from my management studies at Uni, the USA gave Japan General McArthur - and one of the first things he did was tear down their societal structures, which was a form of deregulation that unleashed their potential. There were a number of Japanese who attributed their economic miracle to the actions of McArthur while he ran the country.

That said, both Germany and Japan ran very interesting industry policies which gave them an edge over other countries.
In Germany, the State dictated that competitors got together and developed high quality standards for parts. This meant that they were all using the same parts in say vehicle production, and got economies of scale going. The State didn't care which competitor got on top, so long as one or more became big players in the world. In japan, a government agency (called MITI, I think) "advised" industry on what to focus on. They told industry to focus on ship building - which they did, and they became world leaders. Then they told them to focus on electronics, which they did, while effectively tearing down the old ship building industry and going full gear into electronics where they became world leaders.

I remember Industry Minister Senator Button during the time of the Hawke Government tearing his hair out trying to get the car companies to do the same as the Germans, citing how in Australia our cars had 27 types plastic windshield washer water containers, whereas overseas they only had six. Maybe if they'd listened to him we'd still have a car industry.
Regards,
Renato

 

[Warks]

To quote Yes, Minister:

Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?
Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We 'had' to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch... The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?
Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.
Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.
Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.

 

[Warks]

And again:

Hacker: Europe is a community of nations, dedicated towards one goal.
Sir Humphrey: Oh, ha ha ha.
Hacker: May we share the joke, Humphrey?
Sir Humphrey: Oh Minister, let's look at this objectively. It is a game played for national interests, and always was. Why do you suppose we went into it?
Hacker: To strengthen the brotherhood of free Western nations.
Sir Humphrey: Oh really. We went in to screw the French by splitting them off from the Germans.
Hacker: So why did the French go into it, then?
Sir Humphrey: Well, to protect their inefficient farmers from commercial competition.
Hacker: That certainly doesn't apply to the Germans.
Sir Humphrey: No, no. They went in to cleanse themselves of genocide and apply for readmission to the human race.
Hacker: I never heard such appalling cynicism! At least the small nations didn't go into it for selfish reasons.
Sir Humphrey: Oh really? Luxembourg is in it for the perks; the capital of the EEC, all that foreign money pouring in.
Hacker: Very sensible central location.
Sir Humphrey: With the administration in Brussels and the Parliament in Strasbourg? Minister, it's like having the House of Commons in Swindon and the Civil Service in Kettering!

 

[RAM]

Oh geez. You do realise countries like GB and France were very broke after WW2.

You know why a couple of reasons why Germany and Japan were once the second or third biggest economies in the world? The USA.

Both despite being defeated partly due to the USA, the USA backed both West Germany and Japan.

Both Japan and West Germany had defensive armies. As a result they directed their economies into production.

Both countries also enjoyed handsomely due to the cold war.

On the right track but not quite.

The Allies obliterated German industry - bombed out of existence or raised to the ground in fighting.

The same happened to a huge proportion of Japanese industry (there were LOTS of super-fortress bombing raids for over a year).

The US Marshall plan was all about creating viable economies again. So the Germans and Japanese had state-of-the-art (1950s style) industry built for them. The latest factory can produce the same product in a faster time and at less cost than one a year or two older.

The UK did not suffer anywhere near the loss of industry (as much of it was too far for German fighter cover unlike the US fighters with their "Pacific" range).

The US lost no industrial capacity.

So both Germany and Japan thrived with brand new factories vs the avg age of UK industrial plant (28 yrs) and US (21 years).

Took decades before the relative age gap got to less than 10 years and that was when China came into the equation.

Not fashionable to mention the facts of what happened though. The IMF and World Bank bureaucrats for some reason do not appreciate it (neither do the Germans or Japanese).

 

[marki]

May I add a little about the Eastern Parts of Europe like Poland, Also got bombed out of existence especially the Germans ( no I am not saying naz_'s as it implies the were somebody else i.e. not Germans) Warsaw was bombed totally specifically by the Germans. They hated the Pole's the feeling was mutual I am sure. Yet after the WW2 nothing for Poland, no Marshall plan, it was left to the Stalin and the Russians after the Yalta and Potsdam conferences. For another 50 years it had second part of the WW2, isolated Eastern block nation limited human movements under an oppressive Soviet regime that was supported by very questionable leftist, Russian backed Party. During these 50 years Polish history was changed and things like Katyn massacre never spoken of. Like George Orwell's 1984 it was removed from history books. Famous Polish generals who fought valiantly and successfully in WW2 on returning home to Poland were interned then killed in mock trials in Moscow. These were people never spoken of forgotten in the post war euphria. Now we have Obama seen chumming up to Prime Dmitri Anatoljewitsch Medwedew and saying he will be more flexible after the elections (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=...rFmjB4X1MS_Ck7Qqme8eeA&bvm=bv.122129774,d.d24) that was on the 26th March 2012. Cancelling the missile shield plans. A strong Germany and Strong Russia in this circumstance does not forebode well as the Russia is looking at the Baltic states and Look at Georgia, look at Ukraine, look at who won the Eurosong contest. A song about the Tartars being moved out of the Crimean peninsula 1944, singing about the truth it really moves people. The truth is what gets lost in all of this. The truth always hurts, it's hurting Putin today. I am Happy I prefer the truth as opposed to PC stuff don't tread on toes stuff. I find truth very fashionable and it should be reminded to people all the time. Especially the silly bureaucrats in IMF etc...., I am glad that these economies are standing up for them selves in the East. I am glad Britain is too. Eurozone is a beast like no other, its real colors are dictatorial. Those in their high posts will never be affected by there own decisions. Now it's immediate post war era the Eastern block of nations ( not counting East Germany 1989) is in the middle of rebuilding it self without and Marshall plan. Huge costs for these countries the EU is it worth it? it might be not.

On the right track but not quite.

The Allies obliterated German industry - bombed out of existence or raised to the ground in fighting.

The same happened to a huge proportion of Japanese industry (there were LOTS of super-fortress bombing raids for over a year).

The US Marshall plan was all about creating viable economies again. So the Germans and Japanese had state-of-the-art (1950s style) industry built for them. The latest factory can produce the same product in a faster time and at less cost than one a year or two older.

The UK did not suffer anywhere near the loss of industry (as much of it was too far for German fighter cover unlike the US fighters with their "Pacific" range).

The US lost no industrial capacity.

So both Germany and Japan thrived with brand new factories vs the avg age of UK industrial plant (28 yrs) and US (21 years).

Took decades before the relative age gap got to less than 10 years and that was when China came into the equation.

Not fashionable to mention the facts of what happened though. The IMF and World Bank bureaucrats for some reason do not appreciate it (neither do the Germans or Japanese).

 

[marki]

Yes love the old but tried series with yes Minister. It is true today. Thanks Renato for the you tube link, will look into this later. The Eastern side of things in particular Poland is being blamed for the holocaust especially when it is referred to by many as Polish death camps. It's an interesting how the truth is warped!

 

[RAM]

Yes love the old but tried series with yes Minister. It is true today. Thanks Renato for the you tube link, will look into this later. The Eastern side of things in particular Poland is being blamed for the holocaust especially when it is referred to by many as Polish death camps. It's an interesting how the truth is warped!

To (badly) paraphrase; "History is created by the victors, truth does not make good propaganda."

 

[marki]

To (badly) paraphrase; "History is created by the victors, truth does not make good propaganda."

Totally agree about the propoganda truth hurts

 

[Renato1]

May I add a little about the Eastern Parts of Europe like Poland, Also got bombed out of existence especially the Germans ( no I am not saying naz_'s as it implies the were somebody else i.e. not Germans) Warsaw was bombed totally specifically by the Germans. They hated the Pole's the feeling was mutual I am sure. Yet after the WW2 nothing for Poland, no Marshall plan, it was left to the Stalin and the Russians after the Yalta and Potsdam conferences. For another 50 years it had second part of the WW2, isolated Eastern block nation limited human movements under an oppressive Soviet regime that was supported by very questionable leftist, Russian backed Party. During these 50 years Polish history was changed and things like Katyn massacre never spoken of. Like George Orwell's 1984 it was removed from history books. Famous Polish generals who fought valiantly and successfully in WW2 on returning home to Poland were interned then killed in mock trials in Moscow. These were people never spoken of forgotten in the post war euphria. Now we have Obama seen chumming up to Prime Dmitri Anatoljewitsch Medwedew and saying he will be more flexible after the elections (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=...rFmjB4X1MS_Ck7Qqme8eeA&bvm=bv.122129774,d.d24) that was on the 26th March 2012. Cancelling the missile shield plans. A strong Germany and Strong Russia in this circumstance does not forebode well as the Russia is looking at the Baltic states and Look at Georgia, look at Ukraine, look at who won the Eurosong contest. A song about the Tartars being moved out of the Crimean peninsula 1944, singing about the truth it really moves people. The truth is what gets lost in all of this. The truth always hurts, it's hurting Putin today. I am Happy I prefer the truth as opposed to PC stuff don't tread on toes stuff. I find truth very fashionable and it should be reminded to people all the time. Especially the silly bureaucrats in IMF etc...., I am glad that these economies are standing up for them selves in the East. I am glad Britain is too. Eurozone is a beast like no other, its real colors are dictatorial. Those in their high posts will never be affected by there own decisions. Now it's immediate post war era the Eastern block of nations ( not counting East Germany 1989) is in the middle of rebuilding it self without and Marshall plan. Huge costs for these countries the EU is it worth it? it might be not.

I watched a program on History Channel a few weeks back about the first days of the War. It interviewed Roman Polanski and others who lived through it, with lots of archive footage.

The destruction was unbelievable.....and then it got worse.
Regards,
Renato

 

[Warks]

Funny I learned something on a doco about WWII last night that Manila suffered the most damage of any city during the war after Warsaw. Never expected that.

 

[kelvedon]

...and I just googled the Katyn Massacre. Never knew about that either.

 

[marki]

...and I just googled the Katyn Massacre. Never knew about that either.

Manila ?? Are you sure the doco was reliable source? I have also noticed in my wanderings on this planet something called Hollywoods war on Poland. Depicting the later in unflattering terms at every( most) occasions. ( I am not doubting your assertions but it seems wow out there). Warsaw was concerted effort of hate building by building I know from first hand accounts of people. ( not alive anymore)

Katyn Massacre was removed from history books. ( by NKVD- soviet secret police)

Remember little known fact called the "Ribbentrop Molotov pact. "
Soviet Union had agreement with Hitler occupy Poland with ZSSR ( Russia). Russian invasion of Poland 2 weeks after naz_ Germany invaded it! WW2.

Visiting Warsaw once I saw a huge sign displayed in public close to the Warsaw University, with Lavrentiy and Stalins signatures. The massacre was prompted by NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all captive members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940, approved by the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, including its leader, Joseph Stalin.

This was a significant sticking point and was one of the reasons the Polish General head of State(PM) of a young ( 20 yrs)Country like Poland it had not existed before WW1 for 100 years, was murdered assassinated (W. Sikorski) at that beautiful place with cross winds, Gibraltar by the Soviets or English ( Cambridge five Soviet Spies) Both had good motives.

I read the book Question of Honour by Lyn Olsen good read! You want to know what honour means despite insurmountable and in the face of adversity.


https://m.facebook.com/notes/ivan-a...-devastated-cities-of-world-w/147798391899248

Poor Manila carpet bombed out of existence too!