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As a freshly minted Asiana Club Diamond member (=*A Gold), I'll try here to explain how it works.

Firstly, previous posters are correct to point out that the points you receive for your flight is determined by the booking class code your ticket is under. For Asiana, the table is here: Asiana Airlines

I strongly suspect that the percentages are determined by the flying airline than by Asiana Club itself and are similar, if not identical, for all *A FF programs. So, for example, United is relatively generous with points (although some may suggest that you pay by other means....) while Egyptair is somewhat less so. This is mainly an issue for flying in economy. Business and first class travel (unless done by points) gets points every time, it would seem, at a minimum of 100% (usually Business = 125%, First = 150%).

The two main advantages with Asiana Club from my viewpoint (self funded long haul international travel once to twice per year on average) is the lower mileage requirements for status (20,000 mi = OZ Gold = *A Silver, 40,000 mi = OZ Diamond = *A Gold (over two years), 500,000 mi = OZ Diamond Plus = *A Gold (for life)). and the long expiry dates for points. All members get at least 7 years before their miles expire. OZ Gold get 10 years (include all previously earned miles) and all superior tiers get 12 years. Given that my travel type stated above is only an average and there might be a gap between flights, the fact that my miles won't disappear after only three years is a big selling point for me.

There is no such thing as status credits in this program, or any other *A program, as far as I know (in fact, I hadn't heard about them until I found this forum since I haven't flown QF for 15 years). For all the Asiana Club tiers, one can qualify by flying x number of flights on Asiana ONLY (Gold = 30, Diamond = 50 and so on) but unless you plan on doing alot of flying in South Korea, qualifying by miles is much more realistic. The only other issue here is that Asiana is also partners with Qatar Airways, Etihad Airways and EVA Air. These three are not part of *A (although EVA will be joining in mid 2013, so the following won't apply for them soon). For flights on these airlines, you get miles (based on booking class) to use for flight rewards, but these miles DO NOT count towards your Asiana Club or *A status. So, despite all of their virtues, these airlines are no good for a status run on the Asiana Club program. You can however redeem miles for tickets on these airlines.

Apart from the universal benefits of *A tiers, there are specific benefits for reaching tiers with Asiana Club. For OZ Gold, you get a 5,000 mile discount voucher and two Asiana lounge vouchers (to only be used with Asiana, valid for 12 months) and a nifty baggage tag (looks a bit better and sturdier than the paper ones at the check in counter at any rate!). Having just reached OZ Diamond, I will soon receive a voucher for either 10,000 miles or a half points seat upgrade on OZ flights. Finally, there is a bonus added to all miles earned on OZ flights depending on tier (OZ Gold = +5%, OZ Diamond = +10% and so on).

Overall I'm pretty happy with the program given that I'm not a hyper frequent flyer (or one that can afford to sit up front). Definitely the long expiry dates for mile redemption is a major plus in my book. Apart from their lovely on board product and service, they were also very helpful when one of my flights (NZ8, AKL-SFO) didn't go through to my account. I just handed over my boarding pass stub from that flight, a flight itinerary from when I purchased the ticket and signed a form at their counter at PVG and the miles where in my account within the week. No inquisitions, no complaints.

Another bonus being OZ gold (*silver) is that your baggage allowance will increase to 30kg from 20kg plus you get to check in at a dedicated counter and gets priority handling on the baggage too (if you are flying with OZ flights).

Sean, I will reach OZ diamond by end of October.
 
Another bonus being OZ gold (*silver) is that your baggage allowance will increase to 30kg from 20kg plus you get to check in at a dedicated counter and gets priority handling on the baggage too (if you are flying with OZ flights).

Sean, I will reach OZ diamond by end of October.

Ohhhh, didn't know about the 30kg limit. It's not an issue for me now that I'm at Diamond level, but it'd be good if I get knocked back down in the future.

I can assure you based on the travels I've done this week that OZ Diamond/*G is a nice place to be. :D
 
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Ohhhh, didn't know about the 30kg limit. It's not an issue for me now that I'm at Diamond level, but it'd be good if I get knocked back down in the future.

I can assure you based on the travels I've done this week that OZ Diamond/*G is a nice place to be. :D

Looking forward to experience it. Already, I have been enjoying their superb services both on ground and in the air and already have booked 4 flights with them for next 2 months. ;)
IMO, their services are better than SQ which my wife (a Singaporean) also agrees.
 
Looking forward to experience it. Already, I have been enjoying their superb services both on ground and in the air and already have booked 4 flights with them for next 2 months. ;)
IMO, their services are better than SQ which my wife (a Singaporean) also agrees.

True. I don't have much scope to use them since they only go to SYD at the moment, but I did use them on a PVG-ICN-SYD in January and was quite impressed.
 
Thanks to everyone for such a handy thread and great advice. I am looking to change FF programs after being with Krisflyer with more than 10 years and never once being able to redeem my hard-earned points. I fit into the category of non-frequent but not-infrequent flyer and fly a lot of different airlines, so it is more important that my points don't expire after 3 years (even with SA flights during that time). Despite numerous trips on SA through SIN it still took me a few years to get enough points to redeem, and then the first ones I earned went and expired!! So anyone considering joining Krisflyer really needs to consider how frequently they will fly SA and whether they will run into the same issues I did.
 
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..I fit into the category of non-frequent but not-infrequent flyer and fly a lot of different airlines, so it is more important that my points don't expire after 3 years.........
3 years is tough ask. Many airline freq flyer programs now have a 18 month no activity period. Tendency has been for ffp's to reduce the time for non activity before miles are cancelled.

Most ffp's have ways to get activity miles/points from non flying, like rental cars, hotels. The definition of "activity" varies. . Many ffp have partner airlines so always check.
 
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Thanks to everyone for such a handy thread and great advice. I am looking to change FF programs after being with Krisflyer with more than 10 years and never once being able to redeem my hard-earned points. I fit into the category of non-frequent but not-infrequent flyer and fly a lot of different airlines, so it is more important that my points don't expire after 3 years (even with SA flights during that time). Despite numerous trips on SA through SIN it still took me a few years to get enough points to redeem, and then the first ones I earned went and expired!! So anyone considering joining Krisflyer really needs to consider how frequently they will fly SA and whether they will run into the same issues I did.


I agree with you on this and I feel this is could be one of many reasons why SQ is not very popular with AFFs more so, if you travel mostly on Y.

If you are Australian based, and mostly travel Y with a few J's, the options based on my experience are as follows:

Among the *A partners, SQ is average when it come to earning due to their different booking classes. Bookings which will earn you miles will cost you more and also you will need 50000 miles to get a Gold status. A silver status is absolutely useless with SQ. And then the expiry of the miles etc. makes this program quite unattractive. However, if you are a higher level FF and also fly J/F/A sections of the aircraft then this is not a bad program. Redeemings for free tickets is good if you redeeming them for J tickets. Redeeming them for Y is not worthwhile due to the high taxes that SQ charges although the burn rates are good if you redeem miles online. Upgrading a Y to J is another option but then you will have buy an even more expensive Y class ticket to be able to upgrade a paid Y to J using miles.


Compared to SQ' Krisflyer, Asiana's program looks better if you want to achieve status faster. However, I suspect their burn rates are not good so that program is not attractive for redeeming miles.. I think. The other drawbacks for AFFs is that they will have to use Seoul as their hub. Singapore is a better hub than Seoul.

Thai Airways is similar to SQ. However, as a Gold you get a free upgrade to J which is very good Further, their Gold status is equal to Star Gold but they have a Platinum which is good if you fly very often. This is good if you fly quite a bit and not much of it is on J as the benefits of Platinum are quite good. SQ's program does not differentiate between a customer who flies 50000 and a customer who flies 150000 because you are still a gold. SQ gold does not offer upgrade vouchers at all. Among the three discussed so far, I would vote for the Royal Orchid.


United on the other is good for earning as they do not seem to booking classes. Almost all their bookings get miles and status. But they are only good if you fly to North America and can put up with their service. I guess if you fly with them regularly, you have adapted or will adapt to their service.

The other *A program is Air New Zealand's Airpoints which I find quite confusing. If you travel to NZ regularly then that would be a good *A program maybe.
 
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The best way to use Kris in my opinion is to warehouse your points elsewhere ... like Amex and transfer what you need when you need it ... and for J tickets. This way you get the service/perks you want without having to actually climb up the KrisFlyer ladder. I can't take a program with time expiring miles too seriously - its too much work to track and I really can't see the benefit for the customer ... plenty of other options out there.

If you really want *A gold because much travel is likely to be Y then don't overlook Aegean (A3). Easy to get gold (20K points?), and as long as you contribute at least some points once a year (from memory) the points won't expire. Burn rate is ok, but earn can be difficult for those in this region as many Asian carriers use booking codes that either don't earn or earn at a very low level.

You won't get points for most *A carriers via credit cards in this country either which can be a pain if your flying is sporadic or only a few times a year.
 
I'd also recommend Asiana for their relatively easy *G qualification levels. The burn rates aren't that great compared to what you earn, and the elite bonuses are tiny and only earned when you fly on Asiana metal. But if your award booking is on Asiana you can do one-way trips. Earlier this year, I bought a one-way economy fare to Europe (on another carrier - credited to Asiana of course) and then redeemed 80,000 Asiana miles to fly LHR-ICN-SYD oneway in Business, for about $500 in taxes, with a 4-5 hour layover in ICN which is a great transit airport.

You won't get points for most *A carriers via credit cards in this country either which can be a pain if your flying is sporadic or only a few times a year.

Not quite true. Starwood Preferred Guest allows you to transfer at a 1:1 ratio to Air Canada, Air China, ANA, Asiana, Lufthansa, Singapore, Thai, and US (of the Star Alliance carriers - Starwood Hotels & Resorts). If you transfer 20,000 SPG points, they give you a 5,000 mile bonus,

If you have an American Express card with Membership Rewards, you can transfer 1 point for 0.5 Starwood Preferred Guest points. If you're getting 1 MR point per $, after transfers of 20,000 SPG points to an airline you're effectively getting 0.625 points per dollar in one of those programs.

If you have the Diners Club Mastercard combo, you earn 1.25 Diners Club points for every $1 spent on the Mastercard, and 3 DC points for every $ on the Diner's Club. You can transfer 1 DC point for 0.5 SPG points. So for the Mastercard spend, after transfers of 20,000 SPG points you get 0.78125 airline miles per dollar spent, and for the Diners Club spend, after transfers you get 1.875 miles per dollar spent.

If you decide to use say Singapore with their ridiculous 3 year point expiration policy, SPG is a great place to warehouse points until you have enough to transfer to the airline for a reward. And from Membership Rewards or Diners Club, they both transfer 1:1 to Virgin Australia Velocity.

I think people like the sound of earning 1 point per dollar, but to me 0.5 SPG points >>>>>> 1 Qantas point - plus the MR, DC and SPG combo gives you more flexibility, rather than some beancounter at Qantas Frequent Flyer being able to get cash monthly from your credit card spend through a direct earn (i.e. forced loyalty) credit card.
 
I think people like the sound of earning 1 point per dollar, but to me 0.5 SPG points >>>>>> 1 Qantas point - plus the MR, DC and SPG combo gives you more flexibility, rather than some beancounter at Qantas Frequent Flyer being able to get cash monthly from your credit card spend through a direct earn (i.e. forced loyalty) credit card.

Very thought provoking post - thanks. I _really_ do need to have a much closer look at SPG. I have an account, but haven't really done the numbers. I'm doing the Hilton thing at the moment. However, your proposition, of SPG, Amex and DC is, as you rightly say, very flexible. I crunch all this stuff back to $ of value. My VFF and QFF points are worth 3c each to me, my HH points are worth 0.5c each, I can see that SPG points are definitely worth more than HH points, but you think maybe they are more valuable even than QFF/VFF points?
 
Very thought provoking post - thanks. I _really_ do need to have a much closer look at SPG. I have an account, but haven't really done the numbers. I'm doing the Hilton thing at the moment. However, your proposition, of SPG, Amex and DC is, as you rightly say, very flexible. I crunch all this stuff back to $ of value. My VFF and QFF points are worth 3c each to me, my HH points are worth 0.5c each, I can see that SPG points are definitely worth more than HH points, but you think maybe they are more valuable even than QFF/VFF points?

It's not *A, but one way in J SYD-LHR is 60,000 +$200 in taxes on AA, it's 128,000 +$500 in taxes on QF

You'd need to spend $128,000 on your Qantas Amex if you get 1 point per dollar, or $85,334 if you are getting 1.5 points.

You'd need to spend $96,000 on a regular Membership Rewards Amex to get 48,000 SPG points to convert to 60,000 AA miles (or $32,000 if you just eat at restaurants where you earn 3 MR points for every dollar on some Amex cards, and you have to transfer in lots of 20,000 to get the 5,000 bonus), maybe less if you utilise some of their bonus partners.

You'd need to spend $76,800 on the Diners Club Mastercard for the same transfer, or $32,000 on the actual Diners Club card, or somewhere in between using the two combined, or less if you utilise some of the bonus partners.

Transfers to Hilton are 1:1 out of both Membership Rewards and Diners Club Rewards, but they transfer at a 10:1.5 ratio into airline programs which is not good value. Nevertheless, I prefer the flexibility of the MR/DC/SPG combo because it means I'm not forced into Qantas and can still transfer to Virgin at a 1:1 ratio (or more if they offer transfer bonuses), and I can top up many of my other programs such as OZ or DL where I earn points from actual flying to redeem awards. SYD-LHR one way in J is 80,000 on Asiana, so together with flying miles it doesn't take that many SPG points to top up to an award, and despite people referring to Delta Skymiles as Skypesos, SYD-Europe return in J is 150,000 miles on one of their Skyteam partners, and their awards allow stopovers and different entry and exit points on the European continent (e.g. SYD-PVG-LHR, FCO-ICN-SYD).
 
Aegean is now offering a 2000 mile sign up bonus
I have also noticed they credit 150% on South-African Y tickets, as per link here
Aegean Airlines | Earn Miles

So if I have a regular Y ticket booked with SAA that is approx 6880 miles flown, with the 150% bonus i will have 6880+10300 Bonus = 17180miles one way?
Can anyone confirm this?
 
Yes once you have achieved *gold status on your preferred airline travelling on the discount fares Singapore and Thai are quite good
The fares are very competitive but no status.
Ghee it hard work getting the status after you retire (paying out of your own pocket...without going broke lol)
 
Aegean is now offering a 2000 mile sign up bonus
I have also noticed they credit 150% on South-African Y tickets, as per link here
Aegean Airlines | Earn Miles

So if I have a regular Y ticket booked with SAA that is approx 6880 miles flown, with the 150% bonus i will have 6880+10300 Bonus = 17180miles one way?
Can anyone confirm this?

I think what they mean with that is you get; 1.5 x 6880 = 10320 one-way; not the (1 + 1.5) x 6880 you envisaged.
 
I think what they mean with that is you get; 1.5 x 6880 = 10320 one-way; not the (1 + 1.5) x 6880 you envisaged.

Yep seems more realistic, which is fine assuming I get the same tickets home will be close enough to the magically 20k mark

:cool:
 
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