Baggage..The hidden cost

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I guess the OP would be relying on having some assistance handy in most situations (i.e. if an old lady was struggling to lift a bag and you were passing by, wouldn't you help them?)

While I would assist an elderly person struggling it's hardly fair on the elderly person to be set off with that expectation of random strangers. What if people didn't stop to assist? What then? Companies only provide service to the limits of their front door but this lady will have to travel independently beyond that. People are reluctant to properly provide assistance for their own because of cost, yet how easily can you replace your elderly mother?
 
While I would assist an elderly person struggling it's hardly fair on the elderly person to be set off with that expectation of random strangers. What if people didn't stop to assist? What then? Companies only provide service to the limits of their front door but this lady will have to travel independently beyond that. People are reluctant to properly provide assistance for their own because of cost, yet how easily can you replace your elderly mother?

I was going to add something like that to my post, but I didn't want the OP to think I was some selfish, cold-hearted excuse for a human being (i.e. "What?! You'd think people would not help an old person in need?! How rude can you be?!")
 
I was going to add something like that to my post, but I didn't want the OP to think I was some selfish, cold-hearted excuse for a human being (i.e. "What?! You'd think people would not help an old person in need?! How rude can you be?!")

Sadly there are many people who wouldn't think twice about bypassing an elderly woman in need of assistance. Probably even a few who'd roll their eyes because she didn't get out of their way quickly enough....I wouldn't send my mother out encumbered to deal with that.
 
. Not that I'm advocating a kitchen sink approach (like the OP), but rather I'm just curious.

Can't answer for lovetravellingoz, but my missus is a kitchen sink traveller. Travelling myself (even for travel of an indeterminate nature), my checked baggage is around 10kgs. However, with her, she will give me 20kg extra to put with my 10kgs. And, she'll have close to 30kgs of her own.

She can easily travel in Y with 50kgs of checked luggage (on QF with 2 x QP memberships). She's also not the poor person hauling it on and off trains to get to final destination...

To satisfy your curiousity, she packs:
multiple bags (one for every occasion). 'Tis a curse that her Grandma own a Longchamp store.
Multiple pairs of shoes (and boots, in different colours) to match the many bags
Multiple items of accessories (scarves, gloves, hats, jewellery etc to match the shoes)
And of course all the combinations of clothes to not only match everything else, but also to fit her 'fat days' and her 'good days'

Mind you, she's pretty good when we are just sightseeing. She is only this hopeless every year when we travel to France for Christmas and to visit family and her family home (she is French). I do wonder what she'd do if she didn't have her trusty mule...
 
I find these livid-as-cut-snakes, random complainers highly entertaining
 
Just out of some humourous value (potentially), what were some of the "extras" that you did not need during your journey?


  • The biggest culprit was mainly clothes and shoes...and even more so as each of the 3 apartments we had had washer/dryer and so we could have travelled even lighter than usual, rather than heavier. Basically my wife and I had heaps of clothes that we never wore and extra shoes/boots that were not needed.
  • Though yes could not understand why we needed 3 hair-dryers, especially since all our accommodation was meant to have one. Though my 16 year old when queried on this pre-trip just replied that is just a typical male view. :shock:
  • Not really checking everything we all had and so there was more overlap than required...so for example having 4 nokia phone chargers...and way too much shampoo/toothpaste taken.
  • Yes now my girls are now "ladies" rather than "girls" = more per head taken. However it was mainly mum and dad who took more than we needed.

Also, how was it a hassle?
Was it that the heavier bags were just getting irritating to lug around after a while (although lugging is probably the wrong word, given that most bags these days are the type with a retractable handle and wheels, although lifting them (onto check-in bag belts, off baggage reclaim belts, on and off of transport, in the hotel room) is still a problem). Not that I'm advocating a kitchen sink approach (like the OP), but rather I'm just curious.

Well for this trip yes we went with wheeled bags (I use different bags for different trips. ie soft duffles for sailing.

Reasons for Hassle.

    • Extra bulk and mass lugging around
    • First apartment's lift was tiny and so we all plus bags could not fit in together (= small hassle)
    • We took a number of trains...so fitting in the bags was awkward at times as they do not allow enough communal luggage space.
    • We arrived by train into Paris and used the Metro..plus for departure. when you change lines on the Metro you often have to negotiate many sets of stairs as there are often no escalators).
    • Wheeling a 15kg bag some distance is quite different to a 25kg one....particularly when dad gets the 25kg bag plus the laptops etc and so end up with 30kg+. plus with less ALL can be in the one bag, rather than balanced on top. Note comment on stairs again.
    • Apartment in Amsterdam was on first floor and no lift.
    • First day in Paris it was 37degrees..so dragging heavy bags around was hard yakka. Was most grateful at that moment that we had ground floor apartment (cool) rather than one of the rooftop apartments which had looked tempting but were 6 floors up with no lift...and no-air-conditionaing!!!

I thought travelling light might suit you well. After all, IIRC you have two daughters? That's three women = a huge potential for shopping = a sizeable risk of going overweight on the way back (yes, even if you were booked into a premium class).
Three daughters.
On this trip two were with us full-time and one overlapped.

And yes Shopping..while not normally big shoppers, the Soldes Season was on in full swing in Paris.

My eldest went to London early to take advantage Of Portobello Market.

I packed an extra lightweight duffle bag for this purpose.
 
As an aside to not travelling light...

To go to Europe we had split in two parties of 2 on consecutive days to get J-Savers on SQ.

Went to board the 77W SIN-MUN leg and did not rush to board as I knew that our cabin (we were in the front smaller J section) was small and not full.

We had the bulkhead seats and I went to put in our two small bags plus laptop to find the overhead locker almost full already.

Now on the 77W there is no central overhead locker. Seats are 4 across in x-xx-x arrangement. So each x-x share one locker.

Now on that flight the only full seats were:

x-xx-x
x-00-x

The two 00 seats had signs on then saying crew rests.

Confronted by no where to easily put my bags the flight attendant appeared and offered to put my bags elsewhere, and started to feed me a glib line about the lockers being only on one-side (I was seated in a central seat). A line of argument I quickly chopped off by pointing out that the bags were for my daughter and I and that we should be the only two pax using that locker as it was our two seats under the locker.

Now if I had been back in Y and I boarded late this would have been fair enough.

But I knew the only people that should have been using that locker were my daughter and I.

Furthermore of the two lockers on my side of the cabin, there were only actually 3 pax of which I was two and yet both lockers were full!!!! Also the second locker was far bigger than the nearest locker to me.

The other lady passenger was being careful to not look up and so it was pretty obvious that the bags were all hers.

The flight attendant was not going to do anything, but move our bags whereupon I indicated that this was not acceptable as I had things in the bags including medications, laptop etc which I need to access throughout the flight.

Only when I was firm in demanding that the other bag be moved did she do so...and on arrival in Munich yes it was the female pax whom they brought it back too...who left the plane with THREE large international sized wheelie bags as well as an assortment of other bags and coats etc.
 
Thanks lovetravellingoz for the response.

I know we are going O/T, but talking about this stuff is gold....

The biggest culprit was mainly clothes and shoes...and even more so as each of the 3 apartments we had had washer/dryer and so we could have travelled even lighter than usual, rather than heavier. Basically my wife and I had heaps of clothes that we never wore and extra shoes/boots that were not needed.

Lucky you re washer/dryer. I brought along enough clothes for one week, and I did a lot of sink washing (what can I say - almost every day). Then again, we were on an average of 1 city per day, except for Rome, Paris and London. We had one chance in Paris for a proper machine wash, but that was it.

I brought along a pullover which I never wore (my large jacket I wore all the time was sufficient). It did make for good padding for the bottles of alcohol I took home, but apart from that it was dead space/weight.

Though yes could not understand why we needed 3 hair-dryers, especially since all our accommodation was meant to have one. Though my 16 year old when queried on this pre-trip just replied that is just a typical male view. :shock:

Are they all different hair dryers? That could be why. Don't ask why a hair dryer isn't a hair dryer isn't a hair dryer, but there you go.

Perhaps you should've asked SWMBO what Miss 16yo meant? Unless she would've snorted the same remark :)

Not really checking everything we all had and so there was more overlap than required...so for example having 4 nokia phone chargers...and way too much shampoo/toothpaste taken.

The problem with only 1 charger is that only one phone can be charged at a time. Mightn't be a problem with proper battery management, but that's something for you, SWMBO and your daughters to decide (i.e. how much you used your phones). Then again, that means everyone having a power adapter and finding 4 free electrical sockets in every room you stayed in! Now there's a challenge.

Too much toothpaste? I can't see how you can do that. Shampoo - well, with women you know that insisting on the same brand for everyone is just verboten. (See the hair dryer argument :)).

Yes now my girls are now "ladies" rather than "girls" = more per head taken. However it was mainly mum and dad who took more than we needed.

Which alludes to the stated position by the OP about his parents and how they pack/travel.

First apartment's lift was tiny and so we all plus bags could not fit in together (= small hassle)

Same here. A couple of lifts were so small that only one of us with our bag could go up/down at a time. One lift I believe had a 'weight limit' enforced so that really only meant one of us and one bag at a time!

We took a number of trains...so fitting in the bags was awkward at times as they do not allow enough communal luggage space.

Agreed here. Trains are not ideal for someone with a big bag, unless you get on first and take the common storage space ASAP.

In other cases, our luggages could fit in the overhead space, but lifting 20-25kg of bag at times was no easy task. One time we had a sleeper car and our bags would not fit under the bunk and probably not in the small storage compartment next to the top bunk. Luckily for the trip we had 1 spare bunk so we put our bags on that.

We arrived by train into Paris and used the Metro..plus for departure. when you change lines on the Metro you often have to negotiate many sets of stairs as there are often no escalators).

Ah :lol:. We had to experience many sets of stairs in our travel, and yes there were quite a few spots with no escalators or lifts. Paris was one and Barcelona also comes to mind. Same thing with accommodations. This was probably the number one gripe of my travelling companion (i.e. accessibility or lack thereof whilst lugging our bags around).

First day in Paris it was 37degrees..so dragging heavy bags around was hard yakka. Was most grateful at that moment that we had ground floor apartment (cool) rather than one of the rooftop apartments which had looked tempting but were 6 floors up with no lift...and no-air-conditionaing!!!

That would hurt - we went in the winter (not dead freezing winter!) so not too bad in this respect. We did get lost in Venice for a couple of hours. It was fairly warm but the killer was walking up and down all the little bridges and steps crossing all the canals. And of course getting lost just added to the frustration.


In saying all of this, you were all on premium travel all the way (plus possibly Star Alliance Gold?), so I assume even though you had quite a lot of luggage during the trip, you never had to pay any excess baggage fees?
 
I find these livid-as-cut-snakes, random complainers highly entertaining
Sure but just remember that in the grand scheme of things all posts (complaint or not) end up being informative. Just like this thread.

Lucky you re washer/dryer. I brought along enough clothes for one week, and I did a lot of sink washing (what can I say - almost every day). Then again, we were on an average of 1 city per day, except for Rome, Paris and London. We had one chance in Paris for a proper machine wash, but that was it.
Sounds like hard work. The last thing I would want to do on holidays is washing and drying. There is simply no time and I would prefer to do other things on holidays.

In Thailand I do wash my socks and underpants in the basin and the rest of the clothes I take to the laundry a couple of times during the trip.

There is no way I would be messing with washing and drying if I was moving from city to city daily.
 
In saying all of this, you were all on premium travel all the way (plus possibly Star Alliance Gold?), so I assume even though you had quite a lot of luggage during the trip, you never had to pay any excess baggage fees?


J all the way. So could have taken 4 by 30kg. So we were well under. Lugging 120Kg around would have been a nightmare.....

I much prefer travelling lightly..

When my daugters were 11, 8 and 5 we spent 10 weeks backpacking around the Middle East witha couple of weeks island hopping in Thailand on the way back.

As the kids were little I managed things so that if I had to, that I by myself could carry the luggage of all...leaving my wife to manage the kids...and taht was with onl the one small wheelie bag.

I did that as we had various late night/very early morning connections planned with buses, ferries, trains etc and I wanted minimal hassle. ie the wife could "herd" the kids while i took care of the bags.
 
  • Though yes could not understand why we needed 3 hair-dryers, especially since all our accommodation was meant to have one. Though my 16 year old when queried on this pre-trip just replied that is just a typical male view. :shock:


  • SWMBO explained this to me. It has something to do with the quality of the hot air, and the distribution of the air from the nozzle. Apparently, those hotels dryers are clapped out and just don't heat to the perfect temperature. Of course, that perfect temperature varies according to many factors (phases of the moon, that type of thing) of what is trying to be achieved with the hair. So I could well imagine that a "youth" may require super hot air whereas a not so "youth" may not.

    I believe that this is also related to why we have 3 or 4 hair straighteners in our house, or varying sizes and materials, steel, ceramic, something else.

    Ohh and I'm struggling with 3 ladies in the house, you have my sympathies.
 
SWMBO explained this to me. It has something to do with the quality of the hot air, and the distribution of the air from the nozzle. Apparently, those hotels dryers are clapped out and just don't heat to the perfect temperature. Of course, that perfect temperature varies according to many factors (phases of the moon, that type of thing) of what is trying to be achieved with the hair. So I could well imagine that a "youth" may require super hot air whereas a not so "youth" may not.

I believe that this is also related to why we have 3 or 4 hair straighteners in our house, or varying sizes and materials, steel, ceramic, something else.

Ohh and I'm struggling with 3 ladies in the house, you have my sympathies.

A young female pax travelling DRW/CNS/TSV wanted to know if security would let her through with a hair straightener in her carry on (they did).

Her boyfriend who was seeing her off thought she was absolutely barking mad for owning one to begin with then was at a loss to know why she would want to take it in her carry on.

Simple she needed to use it in CNS during the transit!
 
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Just read this whole thread (glutton for punishment or what?)...

Curious about ONE thing... If dear old Mum is going to be taking THAT many clothes.. just HOW is 3kg going to make such a difference?

Careful choice of the luggage itself can save that much or more anyway....

The OP won't accept any view different to their own.. so they should just go ahead and take whatever legal action they think is appropriate....

I'll await the results of that avidly! :shock:

P.S. If the OP arranged Mums Travel Insurance I hope a little more diligence was applied than is evident with the ticket purchase..... given the difficulties (and extra $$$) of such products for the over-80's....
 
I also prefer to travel light. Why bother taking all the deadweight around the globe? Even with J travel, I usually use less than 20Kg of luggage. I think airlines should refund my luggage weight, or at least I can onsell to someone else :mrgreen:
 
I also prefer to travel light. Why bother taking all the deadweight around the globe? Even with J travel, I usually use less than 20Kg of luggage. I think airlines should refund my luggage weight, or at least I can onsell to someone else :mrgreen:

So I can expect even bigger discount going to Alaska /Mainland USA for 6 weeks with 13kg?:lol:
 
For a recent holiday I weighed our 4 empty suitcases (all with retractable handles) I was disappointed to find that they all weighed between 4.5 & 5kg empty. I weighed my older non retractable handle suitcase and it only weighed 2.5 kg...ugh.

But I still took the retractable one for convenience...but on returning from a 6 week holiday every kg counted.....and I did secretly rue that wasted 5 kg. I know we should all pack light but we went from 32C to 9C, it was a mix of clothing...and when in France.....!!
 
Yeah, this has sure been an interesting thread. I have to admit I was half expecting a moderator to step in and shut it down, that said I like where it's now going.

I like to travel light, my wife doesn't, and my wife doesn't get the fact that when I travel solo I don't need the suitcase big enough to fit the kids into.

I rarely go over 10kg, and even for a week in China (where I am now) I have only brought 15kg and most of that was care package for my sister who lives here. I only take a few shirts, a couple of pairs of pants and about a weeks worth of underwear. I figure I don't go for 6 weeks without washing at home, why should it be any different when I'm away.

Infact the only reason why I brought a larger suitcase with me is because I have purchased a new suit and I won't have to fold it in the larger suitcase. Had I not had the larger suitcase I would have managed just fine.
 
Yeah, this has sure been an interesting thread. I have to admit I was half expecting a moderator to step in and shut it down, that said I like where it's now going.

I like to travel light, my wife doesn't, and my wife doesn't get the fact that when I travel solo I don't need the suitcase big enough to fit the kids into.

I rarely go over 10kg, and even for a week in China (where I am now) I have only brought 15kg and most of that was care package for my sister who lives here. I only take a few shirts, a couple of pairs of pants and about a weeks worth of underwear. I figure I don't go for 6 weeks without washing at home, why should it be any different when I'm away.

Infact the only reason why I brought a larger suitcase with me is because I have purchased a new suit and I won't have to fold it in the larger suitcase. Had I not had the larger suitcase I would have managed just fine.

I am a carry-on traveller myself, but this fact (like 90% of the naval-gazing ramblings on this thread) is irrelevant.

The thread is about a nasty surprise that the poster received when entrusting an agent to book an airfare for his parents. The 3kg difference in baggage allowance (actually 10kg for one of the options) and the news that excess baggage was both expensive and highly policed was a fact that a half-decent agent would both be aware of and would draw to the customer's attention.

The poster may have got himself into a hissy-fit about this (and the fact that as soon as he saw the details he tried to cancel the ticket but was told "bad luck"), but the agent has failed as far as I am concerned. So although it is all good fun being part of a mob kicking someone on the ground, I'm afraid I can't join you all.

The only other useful information this thread can supply is the name of the agent, as it is possible that I may one day need to use one and would prefer it not to be someone that I couldn't trust to be diligent.

Maybe one of you could start a thread about "What my spouse and kids take on planes" and continue the digression there.
 
Maybe one of you could start a thread about "What my spouse and kids take on planes" and continue the digression there.

That's a good idea. Can we get mod intervention for a thread split, please?
 
I am a carry-on traveller myself, but this fact (like 90% of the naval-gazing ramblings on this thread) is irrelevant.

The thread is about a nasty surprise that the poster received when entrusting an agent to book an airfare for his parents. The 3kg difference in baggage allowance (actually 10kg for one of the options) and the news that excess baggage was both expensive and highly policed was a fact that a half-decent agent would both be aware of and would draw to the customer's attention.

The poster may have got himself into a hissy-fit about this (and the fact that as soon as he saw the details he tried to cancel the ticket but was told "bad luck"), but the agent has failed as far as I am concerned. So although it is all good fun being part of a mob kicking someone on the ground, I'm afraid I can't join you all.

The only other useful information this thread can supply is the name of the agent, as it is possible that I may one day need to use one and would prefer it not to be someone that I couldn't trust to be diligent.

Maybe one of you could start a thread about "What my spouse and kids take on planes" and continue the digression there.


Seems like a recurring theme at the moment: new poster starts rant on 'fine print' issues and refuses to take responsibility for themselves - sure the agent may have had some responsibility but they can't defend themselves here so it's moot really.

I don't think there's anything wrong with disagreeing with or debating with this attitude and to me it's the whole point of having a discussion board.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether or not they learn anything from the replies to their rants is another matter entirely:!:
 
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