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ACT mail madnesss. Did you know Australia Post returns or destroys parcels if you do not pick them up in 10 working days? You also have to pay for mail redirection or holds.

I am stuck in NSW a town just outside Binalong(part of the bordertowns listed) so to check/collect my mail and turn off water mains and a 10 minute front nature strip cut - I would have to quarantine in ACT for 14 days and apply for permission go back to point A. I am fully vaccinated. There are no cases in SW slopes.

Legally making an appointment with my doctor should justify travel, but I would be more likely to catch something from ACT in a medical practice, and a lightning mail check(where I also give my neighbor some cash and a permission slip. Lost my neighbors unlisted phone number.

I also know someone stranded in Canberra, and it will be a while before Strathfield becomes green again. I'll try ringing the local post office in the morning, otherwise get creative. I would also like to fill my S2 medicine scrips so I dont have to look at a chemist shop, but hey the doctors are cough scared of repeats in case they get flagged and are supposed to have a 'patient relationship'. I have not tried telehealth. Clearly this lockdown is very inconvenient.
 

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Premier Steven Marshall commits to opening SA borders once vaccination rates reached​

Premier Steven Marshall has committed to reopening SA’s borders once vaccine targets are hit – despite fears from other states about the spread of the Delta strain.
 

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Premier Steven Marshall commits to opening SA borders once vaccination rates reached​

Premier Steven Marshall has committed to reopening SA’s borders once vaccine targets are hit – despite fears from other states about the spread of the Delta strain.
That's great news.

We got a trip to GoldCoast for October with decent $$ on accom so if AP still closed chasing covid zero, happy to change to SA.
Also WA in Feb for 4 weeks, same deal so will just spend to covid sensible state.

Can see which states will lose out in tourism sector, which is in much need of domestic $$ boost.
Tourism sector which has so many jobs may get together to push the gov, but Premiers only listen to the holy holiest CHO's.
 

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That's great news.

We got a trip to GoldCoast for October with decent $$ on accom so if AP still closed chasing covid zero, happy to change to SA.
Also WA in Feb for 4 weeks, same deal so will just spend to covid sensible state.

Can see which states will lose out in tourism sector, which is in much need of domestic $$ boost.
Tourism sector which has so many jobs may get together to push the gov, but Premiers only listen to the holy holiest CHO's.

I agree. Tasmania is also making all the right sounds about opening up too - as their tourism industry is one step from the grave…

(I just hope the hire care situations are dealt with!)
 

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I agree. Tasmania is also making all the right sounds about opening up too - as their tourism industry is one step from the grave…

(I just hope the hire care situations are dealt with!)
True, recently went Tas, I heard they want Vac'd only tourists & bloody good on them!

Bruny Island a ripping cheeky little place.
 

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Premier Steven Marshall commits to opening SA borders once vaccination rates reached​

Premier Steven Marshall has committed to reopening SA’s borders once vaccine targets are hit – despite fears from other states about the spread of the Delta strain.
Oh this is fantastic news...can finally visit my parents!
 

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So 10 weeks or 70% vaccinated before the border opens. Casey Briggs (ABC), rather optimistically I think, has the 70% in Qld occurring on 8th October. So there is some hope. Though Mackay and, more concerningly, Logan/Beaudesert are the bottom rung when it comes to vaccination. (WA outback being the third - you'd think they prioritise indigenous communities first).
 

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So 10 weeks or 70% vaccinated before the border opens. Casey Briggs (ABC), rather optimistically I think, has the 70% in Qld occurring on 8th October. So there is some hope. Though Mackay and, more concerningly, Logan/Beaudesert are the bottom rung when it comes to vaccination. (WA outback being the third - you'd think they prioritise indigenous communities first).

We are having a lot of issues with anti-vaxxers in regional QLD, not helped by awful messaging from our soon departing CHO.
 

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I'm struggling to see how this border opening is going to work. As far as I can see, most of our revered leaders have absolutely no comprehension of risk assessment. This being the process by which you balance likelihood of an event against the consequences of the event. The deficiency of risk assessment being what drives heavy handed border closures.
The correct approach is to assess risk and put controls in place. SA have done this by their mask policies. They can see a potential risk of a Covid leak so have taken steps to mitigate potential consequences, even though there's no Covid in SA. In Tasmania, we have no such policy because our stance is to not accept any risk. Anywhere that presents even the remotest possibility of risk is High Risk. I can't recall anywhere ever being Medium Risk.
How do you move from such a risk averse stance to opening a border?
 

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However there is no vaccine target. Is that two jabs and 4 weeks after the 2nd? Is it open, unless we have more than 50 cases day? Then have to close up again. Or sorry, snap lockdown into your holiday. Or WA - sorry, cant travel more than 200Km or so. The Cwth has hinted as payment or support may dry up. How about making it clear, now, unvaccinated people, IF there is any future support will get less after December 1 and indexed to state vaccinated numbers. That, areas not under lockdown, will get less. Some states are 13% below others. WA has found a way to eat cake and keep the pork.
 

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I'm struggling to see how this border opening is going to work. As far as I can see, most of our revered leaders have absolutely no comprehension of risk assessment. This being the process by which you balance likelihood of an event against the consequences of the event. The deficiency of risk assessment being what drives heavy handed border closures.
The correct approach is to assess risk and put controls in place. SA have done this by their mask policies. They can see a potential risk of a Covid leak so have taken steps to mitigate potential consequences, even though there's no Covid in SA. In Tasmania, we have no such policy because our stance is to not accept any risk. Anywhere that presents even the remotest possibility of risk is High Risk. I can't recall anywhere ever being Medium Risk.
How do you move from such a risk averse stance to opening a border?

Risk Score. Presently you need to apply for permits. There is no transparency how yes/no's are calculated. By design. Risk will be calculated differently if relief payments trimmed are based relative performance. Let State premiers explain collective outcomes.
 
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Plus asking if shae can charge the police and then asked if she can be released as she wants to leave Australia.I wonder why the Magistrate didn't suggest a psychiatric evaluation.
But she wasn't in Australia - she was in the independent republic of WA! I am sort of wondering why she was not returned to SA.
 

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So 10 weeks or 70% vaccinated before the border opens. Casey Briggs (ABC), rather optimistically I think, has the 70% in Qld occurring on 8th October. So there is some hope. Though Mackay and, more concerningly, Logan/Beaudesert are the bottom rung when it comes to vaccination. (WA outback being the third - you'd think they prioritise indigenous communities first).
Twice in two days I have heard Sharon Lewin from Doherty tell us that the 70% means 70% in every region (last night) and in every cohort (tonight). Doherty modelling only appears to allow for variability within this average by age. According to today's numbers by region, WA Northern outback is the lowest at 13.7% fully vaccinated and George Christensen land (Mackay-Isaacs-Whitsunday) is not far ahead at 17.1%. Outback Queensland was second last not long ago, but has romped along in the last few weeks. Having to await outback WA is a bleak scenario, but one that certain Premiers might regard as desirable. I'm thinking that the model ought to hold if we looked at the national average. 30.88% today sounds better.

As for the "border opens" at 70%, all that is in the agreed plan about the international borders for phase B is caps, caps, caps and quaro:
* International border caps and low-level international arrivals, with safe and proportionate quarantine to minimise the risk of xx
* Restore inbound passenger caps at previous levels for unvaccinated returning travellers and larger caps for vaccinated returning travellers;
* Allow capped entry of student and economic visa holders subject to quarantine arrangements and availability
* Introduce new reduced quarantine arrangements for vaccinated residents

And of course the dot points are headed "measures may include"; i.e. no absolute agreement and wiggle room for all. And of course nothing at all about State borders. And of course hand wringing about the whole deal from most of the Premiers and Chief Ministers.

Cheers skip
 

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Tomorrow’s AFR: “PM: Christmas trips likely” - “Scott Morrison says people should be able to travel interstate to see loved ones at Christmas as he continues to pressure states and territory leaders to stick to the national plan to start reopening the company once key vaccination targets are reached.”
 

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Tomorrow’s AFR: “PM: Christmas trips likely” - “Scott Morrison says people should be able to travel interstate to see loved ones at Christmas as he continues to pressure states and territory leaders to stick to the national plan to start reopening the company once key vaccination targets are reached.”

I dare a state premier to try and ruin people’s Christmas (again)
 

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Queensland's hard border with NSW to stay for 10 more weeks unless vaccination rate hits 70 per cent​


Queensland has confirmed that the hard border with New South Wales is likely to remain in place until at least the end of October, confirming the worst fears of businesses in the state's south.

 

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Queensland's hard border with NSW to stay for 10 more weeks unless vaccination rate hits 70 per cent​


Queensland has confirmed that the hard border with New South Wales is likely to remain in place until at least the end of October, confirming the worst fears of businesses in the state's south.

If Qld getting to 70% is the benchmark - then there is no chance. Another school holidays gone.

I actually think the Qld CHO will be taking her new post before Qld get to 70% fully vaccinated. So bookings for Christmas might be at risk.

Edit: Just found out the new post is taken on 1 November - I think Qld might be end of November when 70% fully vaccinated is reached.
 
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