Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jakeseven7]

Quite interesting... and good obviously they are treating it carefully

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Victorian COVID case is being treated as a very rare reinfection


The single case of COVID-19 recorded in Victoria on Tuesday is believed to be a person who has been reinfected with the virus, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has revealed.

"The person from yesterday who tested positive twice, the first time back in July, he is currently regarded as a reinfection of coronavirus, so he will be recorded as a positive case," he said.


An expert panel has reviewed the case and "concluded there wasn't enough evidence to say that the positive test presented viral shedding, so the case is being monitored closely".

"It is through an abundance of caution that we are assuming that is a positive case, rather than the person shedding after the original infection.

"There have been very few reported cases of reinfection around the world."

"This is understandably frustrating for everyone involved, whether this is in fact a positive case or not, but we do take a very cautious approach, and I think that is the best way to go. In fact the only way."

Victorian COVID case is being treated as a rare reinfection

One of the most recent coronavirus cases in Victoria may be a rare incident of reinfection, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.

www.theage.com.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Quite interesting... and good obviously they are treating it carefully

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Victorian COVID case is being treated as a very rare reinfection


The single case of COVID-19 recorded in Victoria on Tuesday is believed to be a person who has been reinfected with the virus, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has revealed.

"The person from yesterday who tested positive twice, the first time back in July, he is currently regarded as a reinfection of coronavirus, so he will be recorded as a positive case," he said.


An expert panel has reviewed the case and "concluded there wasn't enough evidence to say that the positive test presented viral shedding, so the case is being monitored closely".

"It is through an abundance of caution that we are assuming that is a positive case, rather than the person shedding after the original infection.

"There have been very few reported cases of reinfection around the world."

"This is understandably frustrating for everyone involved, whether this is in fact a positive case or not, but we do take a very cautious approach, and I think that is the best way to go. In fact the only way."

Victorian COVID case is being treated as a rare reinfection

One of the most recent coronavirus cases in Victoria may be a rare incident of reinfection, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.

www.theage.com.au

Though a report of a reinfection even if it wasn't may assist as a reminder to maintain good practices.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Extract from today's Vic DHHS Report: Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Media release - Coronavirus update for Victoria - Wednesday 21 October


Media Release
21 October 2020

Victoria has recorded three new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 20,323.
There have been no new deaths from COVID-19 reported since yesterday. To date, 817 people have died from coronavirus in Victoria.
Of today’s three new cases:

• Two are linked to the northern metro region community outbreak
• One is a household contact of a known case

The three cases were in quarantine when they tested positive.

A previous case included in yesterday’s numbers continues to be reviewed and assessed by an expert panel of clinicians and epidemiologists to determine if this is a new infection or if the person is still shedding virus from their original infection.

One avenue being explored is that this is a reinfection of coronavirus. Such cases are rare globally and only a handful have been reported in scientific literature. We are conducting further investigations and additional tests, including whole genome sequencing, before making a final determination.

While this investigation is underway, the case is being treated as a new positive and appropriate public health actions are in place, pending a decision.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

In Victoria Active Cases in Aged Care and Healthcare are now both very low (single figures) and hospitalisations is now down to 10 people.

Total active cases should be hundred within a day or two.

3,011,181 Coronavirus Cases and 1,432 Active in Victoria - COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Victoria

covidlive.com.au

 

[Lynda2475]

NSW:



VIC:



Interested as to why Vic keep their cases under investigation for weeks and don't classify as unknown.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

SA Officials choose to not send babies to Vic for required specialised surgery, who would have been accepted into Victoria if sent. ie SA did not permit, Victoria would have.

How Victoria's lockdown killed four newborn babies: Distraught families told that their children were not permitted to enter Victoria for emergency heart surgery before they died

• Four Adelaide babies with heart issues died over course of the past four weeks
• Normally they would be transferred to Victoria's Royal Melbourne Hospital
• But this option was 'not tenable' due to the coronavirus pandemic, inquiry heard
• Adelaide's Women's and Children Hospital is not equipped for heart surgeries

Four babies have died in Adelaide in the past four weeks after they could not be airlifted to Melbourne due to the city's coronavirus lockdown.

South Australia does not have a cardiac unit for children meaning seriously ill newborns with heart issues are normally taken to Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital - but this option has been ruled out due to the pandemic, an inquiry heard on Tuesday.

Victoria does not currently have any restrictions in place for travellers entering from another Australian state.

Why Victoria's lockdown killed four newborn babies

South Australia does not have a cardiac unit for children meaning seriously ill newborns with heart issues would normally be taken to Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Pushka]

SA Officials choose to not send babies to Vic for required specialised surgery, who would have been accepted into Victoria if sent.

How Victoria's lockdown killed four newborn babies: Distraught families told that their children were not permitted to enter Victoria for emergency heart surgery before they died

• Four Adelaide babies with heart issues died over course of the past four weeks
• Normally they would be transferred to Victoria's Royal Melbourne Hospital
• But this option was 'not tenable' due to the coronavirus pandemic, inquiry heard
• Adelaide's Women's and Children Hospital is not equipped for heart surgeries

Four babies have died in Adelaide in the past four weeks after they could not be airlifted to Melbourne due to the city's coronavirus lockdown.

South Australia does not have a cardiac unit for children meaning seriously ill newborns with heart issues are normally taken to Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital - but this option has been ruled out due to the pandemic, an inquiry heard on Tuesday.

Victoria does not currently have any restrictions in place for travellers entering from another Australian state.

Why Victoria's lockdown killed four newborn babies

South Australia does not have a cardiac unit for children meaning seriously ill newborns with heart issues would normally be taken to Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is a tragic situation. Four babies in the last month have died because they didn't receive heart surgery. The unit was disbanded a few years ago and surprisingly a recent national report indicated that a new one would not be manageable as the surgeons would not have enough surgeries here to keep up the required number for their standards of practice. The cost factor wasnt the issue. SA has only lost four lives from Covid, of people in their later years, but four babies are now gone. I don't know why it was decided they should not fly to Victoria.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Interested as to why Vic keep their cases under investigation for weeks and don't classify as unknown.

That is not actually the case as Vic classifies at 48hrs. However cases such as unknown/Mystery Cases can, and probably always do, remain under investigation as they still hope to determine where the transmission came from.

This leads to some Mystery Cases been reclassified after the 48hr period. For example today's unknowns dropped by 3, when it was only due to drop by 2.

These amendments (reclassifications) have been seen often in the recent past with the 14 day rolling data where it can be different than what expects due the reclassification.

The chart below for example shows a -1 for 5th Oct as a past Mystery Case has been reclassified. This was earlier 1 Mystery Case.


Another example is 7th October. It is now 2 cases. Earlier it was reported as 3 cases (see below).

10th October was 1 case. Is now 0



Whereas earlier 5th October was shown as 1 Mystery Case.




Also non-Mystery cases may also remain under investigation for various reasons. ie The recent possible re-infection, suspected false-positives, false negatives which will be classified within 48hrs, but which may then be reclassified at later date.

 

[Hvr]

How Victoria's lockdown killed four newborn babies:

A very unfair headline considering it was entirely the fault of the SA personnel.

 

[Lynda2475]

That is not actually the case as Vic classifies at 48hrs. However cases such as unknown/Mystery Cases can, and probably always do, remain under investigation as they still hope to determine where the transmission came from.

Just weird in that graph (which was from the Age) that so much pink and no orange, anything older than a few days that hasn't yet been linked should be orange until reclassified if a definitive link is found. Guess its a case of the Age wanting Sydney to look worse by have some unknowns, while Melbourne only has under investigations.

SA Officials choose to not send babies to Vic for required specialised surgery, who would have been accepted into Victoria if sent.

Or they could have flown the babies to Sydney instead - only 30 mins longer flying time,

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Just weird in that graph (which was from the Age) that so much pink and no orange, anything older than a few days that hasn't yet been linked should be orange until reclassified if a definitive link is found. Guess its a case of the Age wanting Sydney to look worse by have some unknowns, while Melbourne only has under investigations.

Yes that particular graph was not well done. With what is under investigation it may possibly also be that NSW and Vic talk about what is under investigation differently and perhaps that led to confusion in the graph being made. Or just someone stuffed up in making it

Certainly here in Vic the Mystery Cases each day are prominent in the news.

 

[dajop]

A very unfair headline considering it was entirely the fault of the SA personnel.

Don't worry, certain media outlets, who shall remain nameless, are clearly blaming Victoria for it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

A very unfair headline considering it was entirely the fault of the SA personnel.

Yes, it often the case in pandemic reporting where the headline does not really match the facts, or even what is written in the article..

 

[jase05]

Hopefully the get it sorted quickly

Coronavirus: East Preston Islamic School in Melbourne closes over infected student

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[RooFlyer]

A very unfair headline considering it was entirely the fault of the SA personnel.

Agreed. But it was a UK headline. Odd geographic source.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Agreed. But it was a UK headline. Odd geographic source.

Or one could go with just simply incorrect body text if you prefer an Australian source. You can guess the Australian source

Victoria’s stage-four lockdown prevented four sick newborn babies who subsequently died from being flown from Adelaide to Melbourne to receive lifesaving cardiac surgery.

Again Vic would have received the babies. So the lockdown did not prevent the babies being transferred.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Hopefully the get it sorted quickly

Coronavirus: East Preston Islamic School in Melbourne closes over infected student

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

So one assumes that a student has tested positive and as per standard practice now the school is closed and all close contacts asked to isolate etc. And then one of those affected has contacted the media (not that there is any problem with that).

I do not know if it is an older student or not, but older students in the early part of the second wave were at some schools found to transmit the virus to each other not so much at the school, but after hours socialising with other students. If it is an older student the potential for it be a larger cluster will be greater.

I do not have access to the article but note the snippet that I can see It is understood that some families have been offered to be relocated to hotels for quarantining. If so it sounds that they are acting prudently and one assumes that a raft of measures will be in place. Hopeully they will jump on it just as they did at Kilmore and Shepparton, and also hopefully that people have not delayed in getting tested as that is what can often allow things to grow from a few cases to be a larger cluster.



We are still coming out of the second wave and so unfortunately we are still going to see more cases, whether it be this or the others that will possibly pop up.

 

[RooFlyer]

Or one could go with just simply incorrect body text if you prefer an Australian source. You can guess the Australian source

Or you could go with something like the ABC? Or a report from the hospital(s)?

Why post from a source whose origins you don't have confidence in?

 

[dajop]

Or you could go with something like the ABC? Or a report from the hospital(s)?

Why post from a source whose origins you don't have confidence in?

Here’s a less sensational ABC source. They don’t seem to attribute blame to the Victorian lockdown.

Baby deaths 'cluster' at Adelaide hospital prompts investigation after four die in past month

Health authorities will review the circumstances surrounding four baby deaths in the past month at Adelaide's Women's and Children's Hospital, after a parliamentary committee heard a lack of services was to blame.

www.abc.net.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Or you could go with something like the ABC? Or a report from the hospital(s)?

Why post from a source whose origins you don't have confidence in?

Did you miss the first line of my post?
SA Officials choose to not send babies to Vic for required specialised surgery, who would have been accepted into Victoria if sent.


Possibly too subtle, but I stated what the actual case was as some may have otherwise jumped to the wrong conclusion, and then a link to an article. At the time I first posted all sources that I saw had inaccuracies, some in their headlines and some in their articles.

So I posted what I did and then relied on the reader to form their own opinion. Some people unfortunately do take media reports verbatim, and others post incorrect articles and headlines without making any qualification as to the inaccurate reporting.