Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

I admire the loyalty of the Stand with Dan brigade.Always put the best spin on anything he says.
However I'm sorry I really don't care what you think.The response in Victoria has definitely been sub optimal.
Hotel Quarantine.Only State that used private security without police +/- ADF supervision.
Contact tracing-offered IT support and program in March.Other states accepted that offer from the Commonwealth.Victoria didn't.Fax and bits of paper.hardly best practice.

But nothing I say will change the ideas of many on here.

 

[p--and--t]

I admire the loyalty of the Stand with Dan brigade.Always put the best spin on anything he says.
However I'm sorry I really don't care what you think.The response in Victoria has definitely been sub optimal.
Hotel Quarantine.Only State that used private security without police +/- ADF supervision.
Contact tracing-offered IT support and program in March.Other states accepted that offer from the Commonwealth.Victoria didn't.Fax and bits of paper.hardly best practice.

But nothing I say will change the ideas of many on here.

Another great diversion from the matter at hand

 

[straitman]

[mod hat] Just a reminder to argue the topic and not get aggressive at each other. Remember that it's quite normal for different people to interpret the same information differently.[/mod hat]

... and while we are at it I believe a few here should reread the thread title before they post again.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I believe there has been no cases reported in other States or Territories, so 93 today (Vic 76, NSW 9, Qld 8).

 

[Sabot]

I admire the loyalty of the Stand with Dan brigade.Always put the best spin on anything he says.
However I'm sorry I really don't care what you think.The response in Victoria has definitely been sub optimal.
Hotel Quarantine.Only State that used private security without police +/- ADF supervision.
Contact tracing-offered IT support and program in March.Other states accepted that offer from the Commonwealth.Victoria didn't.Fax and bits of paper.hardly best practice.

But nothing I say will change the ideas of many on here.

You can't put brains in statues.

 

[Pushka]

I believe there has been no cases reported in other States or Territories, so 93 today (Vic 76, NSW 9, Qld 8).

Good news for SA is that Covid stories are no longer dominating our local media.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I am.
You probably have forgotten that in 2009 Australia was involved in the Swine flu pandemic.The worst affected state was Victoria.Although cases peaked in mid July Victoria's public health system was overwhelmed by early June.So they alone in Australia changed their action plan.Basically gave up testing for the virus.
And I'll just give you one guess who was the Victorian Health Minister then.

So what’s that got to do with the current situation? Scomo was the minister who introduced the disaster of robodebt and he’s never been held responsible for one of the greatest ps disasters in Australian history.

Abbot as the pm who put in place a pandemic plan which was equally disasterous.

Dan’s actually doing a good job IMHO.

 

[TheRealTMA]

[mod hat] Just a reminder to argue the topic and not get aggressive at each other. Remember that it's quite normal for different people to interpret the same information differently.[/mod hat]

... and while we are at it I believe a few here should reread the thread title before they post again.

I agree with you. But there should be some limits on people posting misinformation without evidence based reports just to push political views against the premier of Victoria.

 

[Happy Trails]

Here's a link to the transcript of the August 5th press conference regarding the Vic curfew. Easier to search than the video.

True enough that Andrews did not specifically say that the curfew was due to "medical" advice, but several times stated it was "the advice of our experts", e.g.

Daniel Andrews: (53:12)
Well, there’s a curfew there for a reason. We want people at home. Stay at home means stay at home. I never thought I’d be celebrating the fact that streets were empty, and that people were not going to work, but this is what we have to do. It’s painful, it’s challenging, it’s very difficult, but it is the only strategy that we have. It’s the advice of the experts, and it is what we believe will drive case numbers down.

Victoria Premier Dan Andrews Press Conference Transcript August 5 | Rev Blog

Daniel Andrews, the Premier of Victoria, held a press conference on August 5 about the COVID-19 outbreak. Read the full news briefing speech transcript here.

www.rev.com

 

[drron]

So what’s that got to do with the current situation? Scomo was the minister who introduced the disaster of robodebt and he’s never been held responsible for one of the greatest ps disasters in Australian history.

Abbot as the pm who put in place a pandemic plan which was equally disasterous.

Dan’s actually doing a good job IMHO.

So 2009 Victoria's public health system overwhelmed,2020 Victoria's public health system over whelmed.seems relevant to me.
And by the way Abbott received a lot of praise for that plan.Not his fault it wasn't followed in Victoria but didn't do badly in the rest of Australia in 2009.

 

[jakeseven7]

Good news for SA is that Covid stories are no longer dominating our local media.

We still have a lot of corona news because of all the issues with the border with NSW, our Covid QLD Gov-AFL party house, the job losses stacking up, not just tourism now - we lost 600 when a massive meat factory went bust yesterday....

Funnily enough the 8 new cases here didn’t get Defcon 10 from the radio and TV, I’m sure the tabloids screamed with it but don’t read them.

 

[Pushka]

So here is one thing I reckon we can all agree on . Wont it be a day when this thread will be archived for lack of interest and and we can get back to discussion as to which seat on the plane is the best seat, the best airline, the best cruise and when we can start complaining about the food quality served on Qantas.

 

[I love to travel]

So here is one thing I reckon we can all agree on . Wont it be a day when this thread will be archived for lack of interest and and we can get back to discussion as to which seat on the plane is the best seat, the best airline, the best cruise and when we can start complaining about the food quality served on Qantas.

Your forgot to mention the other favourite topic..the upcoming devaluation of (insert QF, VA, SQ etc..)

 

[Pushka]

Your forgot to mention the other favourite topic..the upcoming devaluation of (insert QF, VA, SQ etc..)

Maybe we should go deliberately Off Topic and create a list and restore some kind of normal here? Angst about travel! . And that would drive JT crazy. Speaking of which, where is @JessicaTam ? Hope all is ok there?

 

[RAM]

And now to put a cat amongst the pidgeons...

Seems that the Federal Govt did not bother to check that the inputs originally used for the modelling had been TYPED IN CORRECTLY. That is the modelling used to close international borders, lockdown States, impose fines - everything based on a typo.

I kid you not. Nobody checked - not one of the highly paid brigade. Not hard to see if what you typed in matches what is on the page you're reading from.

They put in a wrong figure for people needing ICU in the input variable cell - they entered the 'total hospitalisations estimate' instead and put the 'ICU beds required' into the 'total hospitalisations' cell.

Turns out that Australia had enough capacity in ICU, ventilators etc.

What is more - the Federal Govt have known about this since June - I wonder if Scott told the rest of the National Cabinet?

Item buried towards the end of this piece. See the brief excerpt of the relevant paragraphs.

Hard to believe anything could make the Ruby Princess & Melbourne hotel quarantine seem trivial by comparison....

Try searching for "tom-hanks-allowed-into-qld-but-not-dying-dads-three-nsw-kids/news-story" to see the whole article.

BOFFINS’ COSTLY BLOOPER

Coronavirus modelling used by the federal government to send Australia into financially crippling lockdown used the wrong figures and dramatically over-estimated how many people could need intensive care.

When the modelling was released at the start of the pandemic by the Melbourne-based Peter Doherty Institute it horrified health officials.

“This is a horrendous scenario,” chief medical officer Brendan Murphy said at the time.

“A daily demand for new intensive care beds of 35,000 plus.”

But The Daily Telegraph can reveal the modelling that Prof Murphy said was “highly technical” and could only be understood by people with “scientific brains” was wrong.

The modelling accidentally transposed the figures for the number of people who would be hospitalised during COVID-19 if no measures were taken for the number of people who would be admitted into intensive care units.

The error made the effect of the pandemic appear four times worse than the modelling actually intended, predicting 12,000 people in NSW would go into ICU rather than 3000. And it informed the advice that led to economically crippling lockdowns across the nation.

“I strongly believe we lock down too hard,” James Cook University professor of infectious diseases modelling Emma McBryde said.

Her team in Queensland uncovered the error after they were left “scratching our heads” over why the Melbourne modelling was so much worse than their own.

 

[RooFlyer]

Something else for the 'I stand by Dan' brigade to consider:

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’s claim that “one or two” coronavirus-positive people “on any given day” have refused to be interviewed by contact tracers has been shown to be false, after his health department released data showing no one has refused an interview in the past month.

Mr Andrews made the claim on Sunday, while under pressure to explain contact tracing failures, and repeated similar claims on Monday and Tuesday.

“Let me explain to you why there might be 5 or 6 or 7 per cent of people who we can’t get to in 24 hours,” the Premier said on Sunday, with reference to Department of Health and Human Services interviews with coronavirus-positive people and their close contacts.

“On any given day there are one or two people who will not consent to being interviewed,” he said, suggesting there may be some among Sunday’s 63 cases.

Premier Andrews has been caught out on a straight porky. Simply put, the Victorian contact-tracing regime has been poor, or at least worse than the other states, largely as a result of government decisions, current and in the past and that has exacerbated the outbreak.

 

[Pushka]

So, case numbers continue to come in, but the hospital and critical care rates seem to be completely controlled. Yes, we continue to experience deaths but those are for cases that were positive several days ago and not as relevant to todays figures. The number of positive cases was an indicator of future demand on care services but that doesnt seem to be the same issue currently as the number of positive cases isnt translating to a rise in hospital admissions. Has the virus changed and if so, when will that be used for future planning?

 

[Flashback]

That's exactly my question. At what point do we move out of the 'project' phase and into 'BAU' for want of a better term.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

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#COVID19VicData for 10 September, 2020.
Yesterday there were 51 new cases reported and sadly 7 lives lost. Our thoughts go out to all those affected. More information will be available later today.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So, case numbers continue to come in, but the hospital and critical care rates seem to be completely controlled. Yes, we continue to experience deaths but those are for cases that were positive several days ago and not as relevant to todays figures. The number of positive cases was an indicator of future demand on care services but that doesnt seem to be the same issue currently as the number of positive cases isnt translating to a rise in hospital admissions. Has the virus changed and if so, when will that be used for future planning?

It's the broader impact of this virus though. One nurse in QLD = 200 in isolation. And that is being repeated in other hospitals/care facilities. In Victoria the indirect impact is what's stretching the system, not the admissions per se.

If we are in fact getting less virulent strains... perhaps the solution is faster testing so people can get back to work rather than be out of the system for two weeks.