Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Must...Fly!]

With this discussion on remote mandatory quarantine, a positive might be the States charging people less for the mandatory quarantine.

So more Aussies can afford to come home.

It probably has a reasonable chance of success / National Cabinet agreement if each State / Territory taking returned travellers can find suitable locations, no reason why planes can’t fly there or near there and then reposition to take freight and passenger outbound. Or use Qantas/Virgin/Rex as red transit flights to these remote locations.

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Noted. I also remember you worrying about the potential of being locked out of your home state

It's not like prepayment is required. NSW for example has a huge outstanding bill that, in all reality, will go to debt collectors for a few cents in the dollar and the taxpayer purse will pick up the shortfall.

Less than 10 per cent of travellers in NSW coronavirus hotel quarantine have paid so far

Only around 4,000 people have paid their hotel quarantine bills and debt recovery orders have been issued to recover some $2 million in outstanding fees from overdue invoices, documents obtained by the ABC reveal.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Port Power]

I’m not confident border closures won’t keep happening at a moment’s notice. If anyone from the eastern states is planning on a Kimberley trip, consider flying in 2 weeks before just in case. You will either have a relaxing start to your holiday in quarantine, or have the opportunity of doing a lot more sight seeing than you originally intended.

 

[DC3]

It is going to take a long time before we can safely travel interstate and be confident that hot spots aren’t declared retrospectively resulting in completely unplanned and possibly expensive quarantine issues either in the holiday state or when you return home.

Getting the vax into arms will help, and on a bigly scale.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Providing the other state allows you to leave!

Just don't stay at the Hotel California

 

[RooFlyer]

LOL

And QED . “All pay tax” was a nonsense.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I’m not confident border closures won’t keep happening at a moment’s notice. If anyone from the eastern states is planning on a Kimberley trip, consider flying in 2 weeks before just in case. You will either have a relaxing start to your holiday in quarantine, or have the opportunity of doing a lot more sight seeing than you originally intended.

As my mother said a couple of days ago - next time I can take 4 weeks off, I'll come to visit for 2 weeks!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And QED . “All pay tax” was a nonsense.

There's no way you can say for sure that they "all" paid tax without knowing the tax circumstances of them all. It was an assumption stated as a fact.

Well if we go by your logic on whether all "paid" or not then on most goods and services where GST is levied you will have to have indeed paid it when you paid for that goods or service. Even if you can claim it back later, you will still have "paid" the tax.

So the AO gate attendant going to the supermarket on the way home will pay GST when they complete their purchase of any items that GST is levied on.

Out of interest how do you not pay tax on your many purchases where GST should have been levied?

You didn't mention GST, so the query of whether I know what GST is, is a deflecting red herring.

And if Good and Services Tax is not included by the use of the word tax , then neither is income tax or company tax (and one can go on) as all taxes have longer names than just tax. Tax means any tax.

QED

 

[Lynda2475]

AO already breaking its own rules - the event should not be going ahead.

SMH reports:

American tennis player Tennys Sandgren has been allowed on to a chartered flight to Melbourne to take part in the Australian Open, despite recently testing positive for coronavirus. Sandgren originally tested positive for COVID-19 in late November and recovered from the virus, but then tested positive again using a PCR test on Monday.

The player is claiming its only shedding and it may be, but why does Australia have to take the risk? If you test positive on a PCR, stay home until you can provide evidence of a negative PCR test. I dont follow (or give a toss about) tennis, and have never heard of this guy but fail to believe its so critical he be allowed to attend,

Vic govt keep talking up $20k fines for breaking the rules, but if you are a Federrer or Williams, AUD $20k is pocket change - not a deterrant at all.

 

[Pushka]

With this discussion on remote mandatory quarantine, a positive might be the States charging people less for the mandatory quarantine.

So more Aussies can afford to come home.

It probably has a reasonable chance of success / National Cabinet agreement if each State / Territory taking returned travellers can find suitable locations, no reason why planes can’t fly there or near there and then reposition to take freight and passenger outbound. Or use Qantas/Virgin/Rex as red transit flights to these remote locations.

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Noted. I also remember you worrying about the potential of being locked out of your home state

Yes. But there was never a retrospectivity penalty back then. Just get back by ABC o’clock and you will be fine to enter. And that makes a huge difference. And a deal breaker.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

AO already breaking its own rules - the event should not be going ahead.

SMH reports:

American tennis player Tennys Sandgren has been allowed on to a chartered flight to Melbourne to take part in the Australian Open, despite recently testing positive for coronavirus. Sandgren originally tested positive for COVID-19 in late November and recovered from the virus, but then tested positive again using a PCR test on Monday.

The player is claiming its only shedding and it may be, but why does Australia have to take the risk? If you test positive on a PCR, stay home until you can provide evidence of a negative PCR test. I dont follow (or give a toss about) tennis, and have never heard of this guy but fail to believe its so critical he be allowed to attend,

Vic govt keep talking up $20k fines for breaking the rules, but if you are a Federrer or Williams, AUD $20k is pocket change - not a deterrant at all.

Obviously one to watch.

Denis Kudla and Francisco Cerundolo both within the last two days tested positive at the AO Qualifying event in Doha and have been placed into hotel quarantine and have been withdrawn from the AO.

 

[Flying mermaid]

AO already breaking its own rules - the event should not be going ahead.

SMH reports:

American tennis player Tennys Sandgren has been allowed on to a chartered flight to Melbourne to take part in the Australian Open, despite recently testing positive for coronavirus. Sandgren originally tested positive for COVID-19 in late November and recovered from the virus, but then tested positive again using a PCR test on Monday.

The player is claiming its only shedding and it may be, but why does Australia have to take the risk? If you test positive on a PCR, stay home until you can provide evidence of a negative PCR test. I dont follow (or give a toss about) tennis, and have never heard of this guy but fail to believe its so critical he be allowed to attend,

Vic govt keep talking up $20k fines for breaking the rules, but if you are a Federrer or Williams, AUD $20k is pocket change - not a deterrant at all.

Dr FM told me that many months ago they were trying to sort out when to allow children who had had Covid back for an operation. She works in a heart transplant/major heart surgery area, in London, so obviously infection control is critical. Initially they were looking at a negative test as a requirement but after lengthy discussions and being told that people can test positive to Covid for up to 90 days but not be infectious, they stopped having that as a criteria.

While we know there are rare cases where people can get Covid twice, this is more likely a case of testing positive while not infectious and hopefully has been reviewed to ensure that is so.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Dr FM told me that many months ago they were trying to sort out when to allow children who had had Covid back for an operation. She works in a heart transplant/major heart surgery area, in London, so obviously infection control is critical. Initially they were looking at a negative test as a requirement but after lengthy discussions and being told that people can test positive to Covid for up to 90 days but not be infectious, they stopped having that as a criteria.

While we know there are rare cases where people can get Covid twice, this is more likely a case of testing positive while not infectious and hopefully has been reviewed to ensure that is so.

More detail has been released:




And from the AO:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

AO already breaking its own rules - the event should not be going ahead.

SMH reports:

American tennis player Tennys Sandgren has been allowed on to a chartered flight to Melbourne to take part in the Australian Open, despite recently testing positive for coronavirus. Sandgren originally tested positive for COVID-19 in late November and recovered from the virus, but then tested positive again using a PCR test on Monday.

The player is claiming its only shedding and it may be, but why does Australia have to take the risk? If you test positive on a PCR, stay home until you can provide evidence of a negative PCR test. I dont follow (or give a toss about) tennis, and have never heard of this guy but fail to believe its so critical he be allowed to attend,

Vic govt keep talking up $20k fines for breaking the rules, but if you are a Federrer or Williams, AUD $20k is pocket change - not a deterrant at all.

I think it's important that rules are applied consistently.

If you or I were overseas and wanting to fly back to Australia, would we be arguing a '2nd positive' test was shedding? Of course we would, and we'd be expected to be allowed to fly!

 

[Lynda2475]

If you or I were overseas and wanting to fly back to Australia, would we be arguing a '2nd positive' test was shedding? Of course we would, and we'd be expected to be allowed to fly!

But would they hold a flight for average person whilst that argument was made? We know AO executives intervened, chances are you or I would have never been allowed to board and have to present our case over an extended period, there would be no one on tap to lobby for us.

No point in having a negative PCR requirement if you dont enforce it. It is not essential to have him here, why wasnt the extra evidence provided before boarding? So sick of special treatment for sports people.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

LOL

QED

R U OK?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

R U OK?

Yes lots of in NSW, Qld and Vic Today. Hoping for more tomorrow.

 

[Flying mermaid]

But would they hold a flight for average person whilst that argument was made? We know AO executives intervened, chances are you or I would have never been allowed to board and have to present our case over an extended period, there would be no one on tao to lobby for us.

No point in having a negative PCR requirement if you dont enforce it. It is not essential to have him here, why wasnt the extra evidence provided before boarding? So sick of special treatment for sports people.

If you read the statement from the Australian Open, his file was reviewed by vic health before he was cleared to fly. I agree it was still special treatment as if for e.g. my daughter returns a positive when and if she ever gets a flight home, she will just be booted, however that’s life. The wealthy and the famous always get treated differently.....

 

[antycbr]

If you read the statement from the Australian Open, his file was reviewed by vic health before he was cleared to fly. I agree it was still special treatment as if for e.g. my daughter returns a positive when and if she ever gets a flight home, she will just be booted, however that’s life. The wealthy and the famous always get treated differently.....

Shame they aren’t as quick reviewing people stranded in NSW... who aren’t even positive yet.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Further easing of restrictions in Victoria.

Percentage of office workers on-site increase and mask wearing eased.


From this Monday 18 January, office workers, excluding the Victorian Public Service, can increase to up to 50 per cent of on-site worker capacity. And the Victorian Public Service can initiate a return to on-site work starting at 25 per cent capacity.

A further increase in these capacity limits is anticipated to occur in late February but will be subject to ongoing public health advice.

Given the current low levels of COVID-19 community transmission in Victoria, the Victorian Chief Health Officer also recommends that mask wearing is no longer necessary in certain settings.

From 11.59pm on Sunday 17 January, masks will only be mandatory:

• on public transport
• when riding in a ride share or taxi
• inside shopping centres, including the retail stores inside shopping centres, such as clothing stores
• inside indoor markets
• in large retail stores (over 2000 sqm), such as department stores, electronics stores, furniture stores, hardware stores or supermarkets
• on domestic flights to and from Victoria
• at airports
• in hospitals

Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Coronavirus update for Victoria - 14 January 2021

Victoria has recorded no new cases of coronavirus since yesterday.

www.dhhs.vic.gov.au

 

[jakeseven7]

So sick of special treatment for sports people.

We are numb to it now in QLD. We paved that road months ago