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Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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I do not understand the logic as to why today they seem almost blasé yet the circumstances of the infection are the same as the guy who lied, in his original story. From a pizza box. Unless and they refuse to disclose due to privacy apparently they aren’t disclosing any more. Just that it’s complex. And again. 🤷‍♀️
I’m posting this from a medical radiology centre as I have to have a scan. Only one other person wearing a mask. Neither are the staff.

It does seem to defy logic
 

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I do not understand the logic as to why today they seem almost blasé yet the circumstances of the infection are the same as the guy who lied, in his original story. From a pizza box. Unless and they refuse to disclose due to privacy apparently they aren’t disclosing any more. Just that it’s complex. And again. 🤷‍♀️
I’m posting this from a medical radiology centre as I have to have a scan. Only one other person wearing a mask. Neither are the staff.
Maybe it’s because it’s taken 12 days to find this one case after over a week of looking.

1 outlier case within 24 hours (ie a fourth or fifth generation) suggests a more infectious strain.

1 outlier case after more than 250 hour later perhaps suggests a normal developing virus
 

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When asked what penalties would be applied because the girl was supposed to be in quarantine until Saturday, we were told that she couldn't impose any because a) clearly she hadn't been on social media to find out the quarantine (yeah, a teenager not being on social media for over a week 😂); and b) we can't deter people from being tested.

Whereas any social misfit who doesn't give a toss about Covid now has an excuse not to quarantine if asked to do so, and as long as they get tested on Day 12, well, that's ok then.
When we were briefed just over a week ago about the SA outbreak it was said that the person could become infective after 24 hours.This was obviously based on the pizza workers lie.Therefore with no known other cases at the pizza joint the worst case scenario was that there were many in the community spreading the disease.
Now because the fellow actually worked at the pizza place the contact tracers were tracking down anyone who had visited the pizza shop when the fellow was infectious.This girl was already meant to be in isolation.Very likely she had been identified as being a visitor to the pizza place.You do have to leave your phone number when ordering so a bit easier for the tracers.Hopefully the shop also had a list of everyone who visited.

So a week on there was not going to be the worst case scenario that was a possibility a week ago.
 

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So a week on there was not going to be the worst case scenario that was a possibility a week ago
Except. We know she wasn’t quarantining. She went to school on Monday. Schools closed until then. We still have several days where we have no idea what she was doing. Her first test was Tuesday. Likely she was already positive Thursday - Friday plus the weekend.
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Maybe it’s because it’s taken 12 days to find this one case after over a week of looking.

1 outlier case within 24 hours (ie a fourth or fifth generation) suggests a more infectious strain.

1 outlier case after more than 250 hour later perhaps suggests a normal developing virus
It was only found out because she had a test.
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It does seem to defy logic
Gosh. If you think that then it is a mess. 😉😀
And now this tonight:
“Parts of Woodville High School are in quarantine after a student that went to an infectious pizza bar tested positive to COVID – but SA Health hasn’t confirmed that’s where she got it......
“This person had a particular exposure – I’m not going to give all the details because I have a duty of care to protect people’s privacy — but am strongly of the belief there was nothing done that was wrong.”
 
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“This person had a particular exposure – I’m not going to give all the details because I have a duty of care to protect people’s privacy — but am strongly of the belief there was nothing done that was wrong.”
It's possible to read between the lines here but I think there needs to be some discussion as to just how easily transmission is occurring. There's more involved than simply ordering a pizza.
On a side track, I was interested to note that WA considers that a very low risk person, who's had close contact with a low risk person, should assume the mantle of low risk and quarantine. I'd be interested to see the probability maths behind that one!
 

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SA Public Health are literally between a rock and a hard place or a rock and a pizza. The most important thing right now is that anyone who has symptoms however mild and or could have been exposed in these places gets tested and isolates appropriately. All of the witch hunts and stewards inquiries after the fact by the media and elsewhere are unlikely to facilitate members of the public coming forward for testing.
 

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The point pushka is the case a week ago looked like a new cluster initially and the pizza guys story was that he developed symptoms 24 hours after his suggested exposure.Hence the possibility of a large number of possible cases already in the community.
The girl had been identified as a contact.The authorities now know there was an infected worker at the pizza shop so a line of transmission was easily identified so not the same risk.

The fact she absconded from quarantine is a separate problem.Again the young have a lower risk of infection and a much lower incidence of severe disease.So again a lower risk of a major outbreak than the possibility a week ago.
 

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The point pushka is the case a week ago looked like a new cluster initially and the pizza guys story was that he developed symptoms 24 hours after his suggested exposure.
Except It was already known that there was a positive worker at the Pizza place before he too tested positive. So they knew when he tested positive that it was part of the original cluster. The issue with his positive was that it was thought at the time that he had developed the symptoms extremely quickly and from just a very small window of time. That was the story that was being told at the time. It made sense until the lie came out.

SA Public Health are literally between a rock and a hard place or a rock and a pizza. The most important thing right now is that anyone who has symptoms however mild and or cold have been exposed in these places gets tested and isolates appropriately. All of the witch hunts and stewards inquiries after the fact by the media and elsewhere are unlikely to facilitate members of the public coming forward for testing.

I agree that the path forward now is particularly difficult for them. I see tonight extra places have been added to the "watch and be alert" list, one of whom I had heard earlier was likely a danger area. The lockdown last week went too far and too general, then to relax significantly shortly after. Which has created too much relaxation. People aren't wearing masks, even retail staff members and at Doctors rooms.

So the question is what to do next. Christmas in just over three weeks might be at risk so do they close down for a two week period and try to salvage that, but not to the level experienced briefly last week. Eg close gyms but allow outside exercise. More retail to stay open (eg Bunnings) but close pubs and hotels but allow takeaways. That would seem to me to be a path forward, or do we just expect it to bubble away like it seems to do, quite successfully, in NSW. Make masks mandatory in public. Whatever, if I was Andrews I would not be allowing us into Victoria just yet.
 
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Except It was already known that there was a positive worker at the Pizza place before he too tested positive. So they knew when he tested positive that it was part of the original cluster. The issue with his positive was that it was thought at the time that he had developed the symptoms extremely quickly and from just a very small window of time. That was the story that was being told at the time. It made sense until the lie came out.



I agree that the path forward now is particularly difficult for them. I see tonight extra places have been added to the "watch and be alert" list, one of whom I had heard earlier was likely a danger area. The lockdown last week went too far and too general, then to relax significantly shortly after. Which has created too much relaxation. People aren't wearing masks, even retail staff members and at Doctors rooms.

So the question is what to do next. Christmas in just over three weeks might be at risk so do they close down for a two week period and try to salvage that, but not to the level experienced briefly last week. Eg close gyms but allow outside exercise. More retail to stay open (eg Bunnings) but close pubs and hotels but allow takeaways. That would seem to me to be a path forward, or do we just expect it to bubble away like it seems to do, quite successfully, in NSW. Make masks mandatory in public. Whatever, if I was Andrews I would not be allowing us into Victoria just yet.

Don’t worry QLD will let you back in for Christmas In 2022 :)
 
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WA were introducing QR codes to restaurants a requirement by the 5 December, so likely not until after that date.

I guess everyone is now watching to see how SA handle their mini outbreak.

SA need to get the mix right, they went overboard with locking down all the state but they need some way to keep people alert.
 

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ABC reports:

The WA Government says it has no immediate plans to change its requirements for travellers from Victoria to self-quarantine for two weeks when they arrive in Western Australia.
 

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Breaking: WA Government waiting on new health advice from CHO to confirm border opening​


The WA Government says it is waiting for final advice from WA's Chief Health Officer who is assessing the latest data from Victoria in order to remove requirements for travellers from Victoria to self-quarantine for two weeks when they arrive in Western Australia.

Victoria today passed the final hurdle set by WA achieving 28 days of no new community transmission cases, which should result in a border opening well before Christmas, a welcome relief for families stranded for months due to the WA hard border approach.

 

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No further cases in SA today. Some restrictions easing as of Dec 1 but still limiting 10 people at home. I trust only for 2 weeks as mentioned at the beginning.
 

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Breaking: WA Government waiting on new health advice from CHO to confirm border opening​


The WA Government says it is waiting for final advice from WA's Chief Health Officer who is assessing the latest data from Victoria in order to remove requirements for travellers from Victoria to self-quarantine for two weeks when they arrive in Western Australia.

Victoria today passed the final hurdle set by WA achieving 28 days of no new community transmission cases, which should result in a border opening well before Christmas, a welcome relief for families stranded for months due to the WA hard border approach.

How hard is it to assess a string of zeros? 😂
 

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How hard is it to assess a string of zeros? 😂

With the calibre of the WA response to the whole of the pandemic, evidently very challenging for them to understand ;)

On ABC radio it said that VIC have been working hard behind the scenes to get them all open, VIC got QLD to open on time for them to the shock of NSW who have been railing for months... they all appear to be born diplomats down there in Melbourne!

Fingers crossed.
 
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