Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Well with no actual freight between the two Americold facilities that particular transmission path was always a wild goose chase.

Well, maybe you should let the New Zealanders know that they don't know their business NZ Herald:

However, director-general of health Ashley Bloomfield said earlier today the Ministry of Health was still undertaking genomic testing to determine any link between the Melbourne Americold facility and the Auckland outbreak.

Bloomfield said testing from the surface of the Mt Wellington Americold facility was being processed today.

"I have also had contact from my counterpart in Victoria who has linked me with their lab there, that is doing some genome sequencing on some [Covid-19] cases of employees in an Americold cool store there in Melbourne," Bloomfield said.

"Just again to see if there is any possible linkage there, so we are looking at that possibility, it's part of the overall puzzle and we are leaving no stone unturned."


Maybe, just maybe, they have an inking of whats useful to do, and what's not?
 
If the borders are closed there,s probably a good reason. Maybe people need to take a deep breath And think about it

The question is how long should borders remain closed? Another six months? Two years? Five years? Until after the next election in the particular state? It will never be zero risk, even with a highly effective vaccine.
 
Well, maybe you should let the New Zealanders know that they don't know their business NZ Herald:

However, director-general of health Ashley Bloomfield said earlier today the Ministry of Health was still undertaking genomic testing to determine any link between the Melbourne Americold facility and the Auckland outbreak.

Bloomfield said testing from the surface of the Mt Wellington Americold facility was being processed today.

"I have also had contact from my counterpart in Victoria who has linked me with their lab there, that is doing some genome sequencing on some [Covid-19] cases of employees in an Americold cool store there in Melbourne," Bloomfield said.

"Just again to see if there is any possible linkage there, so we are looking at that possibility, it's part of the overall puzzle and we are leaving no stone unturned."


Maybe, just maybe, they have an inking of whats useful to do, and what's not?

And the point of your article is what? And by the way did you read all of the article?

If you read other reports Bloomfield stated that the test was being done more to rule it out.

But wild goose chase it was as there was no movement of freight or staff between the two facilities. The only link was the same business name. Name's however do not transmit the virus 2600km. You need a physical link whether it be via fomite, or person to person transmission.


The managing director of Americold international says he can "completely rule out" any suggestion that Auckland's Covid-19 cluster was caused by freight from his Melbourne factory.
Americold managing director Richard Winnall said the company's Melbourne site - which had two workers test positive for Covid-19 last month - has not shipped anything to Auckland for "months and months".
"We can completely rule out transmission through that speculation on freight. It's just not possible because there is no freight or supply chain connecting those two properties [Mt Wellington and Melbourne]."
However, director-general of health Ashley Bloomfield said earlier today the Ministry of Health was still undertaking genomic testing to determine any link between the Melbourne Americold facility and the Auckland outbreak.
Bloomfield said testing from the surface of the Mt Wellington Americold facility was being processed today.
"I have also had contact from my counterpart in Victoria who has linked me with their lab there, that is doing some genome sequencing on some [Covid-19] cases of employees in an Americold cool store there in Melbourne," Bloomfield said.
"Just again to see if there is any possible linkage there, so we are looking at that possibility, it's part of the overall puzzle and we are leaving no stone unturned."
But Winnall said his Melbourne facility had informed him they had no record of shipping to the Mt Wellington site.
"In fact, for months and months [there has been no freight between Melbourne and Auckland]. I can't tell you how long other than my Melbourne facility has confirmed they have no record of shipping to that Mt Wellington facility."
Winnall also said Americold has undertaken its own investigation of their two Melbourne workers who tested positive for Covid-19 three weeks ago and they considered that investigation now closed.
The facts of that are we've got a closed investigation. An old case now in our Melbourne facility where we had – some three weeks ago now – two employees that had been confirmed with Covid," Winnall said.
"We went through a similar investigation process and we've now confirmed that we had no evidence of transmission at the site, that that didn't grow into a cluster.
"We believe that was just two employees that contracted Covid-19 from outside the workplace, that happened to be employees of ours.
"Obviously we went through a complete investigation with the department of health in Australia in that regard, and that is now effectively a closed case, and there's no further risk or probabilities on that."
 
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The question is how long should borders remain closed? Another six months? Two years? Five years? Until after the next election in the particular state? It will never be zero risk, even with a highly effective vaccine.
Yep a crystal ball would be wonderful wouldn't it .
 
Yep a crystal ball would be wonderful wouldn't it .
If we had a crystal ball we would have locked Wuhan and then China down much quicker but we didn’t. All I’m asking for is a balance between controlling the inevitable spread and the well-being of individuals who need to connect with loved ones and earn an income.
 
If only we had a crystal ball. In the absence of one perhaps we just err on the side of caution?
And destroy our tourist and hospitality industries.that is not being cautious.
About time we learnt from places that have done it well.Taiwan for example.never totally shut down but don't muck around with contact tracing and making sure isolation means isolation.I can't see that keeping an eye on people by GPS tracking of their mobile phones is any more an infringement of our rights than the current lockdowns etc.
 
@Pushka a plane load of South Aussies inadvertently stranded in Melbourne might be the only way to change your Premiers rules :eek:
Agree. We were just discussing this over a wine. Would make an interesting story. If this happens next Monday keep an eye out on the media 😂
 
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According to the SMH.com.au "the women did not have an exemption to enter the state and were transferred to the Novotel Hotel in Perth to stay in quarantine until a return flight could be arranged."
So they knew they had come in illegally (on what planet do we now live that Aussies are banned from travelling from one state to another) put them up in a hotel knowing that they were desperate, and they still managed to escape. So wrong for so many conflicting reasons.
 
If we had a crystal ball we would have locked Wuhan and then China down much quicker but we didn’t. All I’m asking for is a balance between controlling the inevitable spread and the well-being of individuals who need to connect with loved ones and earn an income.
No. It’s because we dont have a crystal ball that Wuhan and China weren,t locked down. And the well being of our non working population is equally important
 
So another ‘casual’ worker working across multiple venues and ignoring symptoms to go to work....sigh.

NSW Health today advises a security guard who worked at a hotel while it was operating for people in quarantine flying in from overseas, has been diagnosed with COVID-19.

Investigations are continuing however, at this point there is no indication of additional risk to the community from the hotel. NSW Health advises the guard was not infectious when he worked there.

The guard is a previously announced case reported on 17 August.

The guard worked at the Sydney Harbour Marriott Hotel on 3 August, 4 August, 7 August and 8 August, when he could have acquired the infection, and was diagnosed late on 15 August.

He developed symptoms on 11 August.

NSW Health urgently tested the guard’s virus sample using whole genome sequencing to see if it matched any virus strains in the community or from cases who had been hotel guests.

The results of the sequence testing received show the security guard appears to have a strain of the COVID-19 virus similar to one identified in a guest staying at the hotel from 31 July to 5 August.

The strain is different to other strains circulating in NSW. This indicates that the guard likely acquired the infection while at the hotel. Exactly how the infection was acquired is under investigation.

The people who may have been close contact with the guard while infectious have already been contacted and placed in isolation.

He was infectious at the following times locations and alerts have already been issued urging people at these venues on these dates to get tested:

  • Sydney Market Flemington on Sunday, 9 August between 8am and 4 pm.
  • Parramatta Local Court on Tuesday, 11 August and Wednesday, 12 August between 8.30am and 12.30pm.
 
So they knew they had come in illegally (on what planet do we now live that Aussies are banned from travelling from one state to another) put them up in a hotel knowing that they were desperate, and they still managed to escape. So wrong for so many conflicting reasons.
‘Desperate’ to attend a pre-arranged party, it seems. And that’s where there were found some hours after absconding from the iso hotel.

Edit: Adelaide must be a bit quiet, with all the good parties being held in Perth.
 
No. It’s because we dont have a crystal ball that Wuhan and China weren,t locked down. And the well being of our non working population is equally important
Currently the well-being of the non working population isn’t great even with lock down of state borders. Not sure how the two are connected.
No. It’s because we dont have a crystal ball that Wuhan and China weren,t locked down. And the well being of our non working population is equally important
I'm not going to go over something that has been debated endlessly on these forums. We cannot emerge from lockdown into the smoking ruins of the economy as the wellbeing of "non-working people" will be compromised if there are no working people to pay for services required by the "non-working."

Currently the border restrictions have no logical rules, review period or critieria against which business and individuals can plan. All activities in life come with a degree of risk. I am not saying "let it rip" but the current controls are in my view disproportionate to the risk.

You may have seen reports that incidents of self harm due to psychological trauma are increasing. This needs to be considered as part of the response to Covid-19, it is not just a respiratory illness we have created here.
 
... the women caught a taxi to a unit block in Coolbellup in Perth's south, where they met with "associates" for a party.
Police tracked the women to the address via their mobile phones and arrested them on Tuesday morning ...

... when police called one of the women, she laughed and hung up the phone...

 
I'm not going to go over something that has been debated endlessly on these forums.....

.... I am not saying "let it rip" but the current controls are in my view disproportionate to the risk.

Fair enough. You are entitled to your view, I am happy to agree to disagree.
 
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Currently the well-being of the non working population isn’t great even with lock down of state borders. Not sure how the two are connected.

I'm not going to go over something that has been debated endlessly on these forums. We cannot emerge from lockdown into the smoking ruins of the economy as the wellbeing of "non-working people" will be compromised if there are no working people to pay for services required by the "non-working."

Currently the border restrictions have no logical rules, review period or critieria against which business and individuals can plan. All activities in life come with a degree of risk. I am not saying "let it rip" but the current controls are in my view disproportionate to the risk.

You may have seen reports that incidents of self harm due to psychological trauma are increasing. This needs to be considered as part of the response to Covid-19, it is not just a respiratory illness we have created here.

Media aren’t really able to report on the increased suicide rate either
 
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‘Desperate’ to attend a pre-arranged party, it seems. And that’s where there were found some hours after absconding from the iso hotel.

Edit: Adelaide must be a bit quiet, with all the good parties being held in Perth.

Some light relief here today at last with posts about naughty South Australians rather than turning the knife on Victorians every day. ;)
 
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