Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[ethernet]

In Singapore, a few strokes of the rattan cures unfocussed thinking and if you cannot pay - you will learn a bit more. Australia had it when we were a colony, and we need to bring it back (Thinking of 9 year old in WA stolen cars).

 

[jase05]

Out of idle curiosity, the background circumstances would be interesting to know.

They were listed as being of no fixed address . So does this mean they were homeless people. Were they disconnected from society to the point where they were unaware of SA border procedures. If they were of no fixed address and no means then a fine would mean nothing to them. Fourteen days accommodation and food might be a good deal for them.

Did the magistrate consider In his/her decision they actually weren't trying to enter SA but on their way to WA and just unfortunately detected at an unexpected stop.

The judgement listed some of them as not being from Victoria. Did this play a part in the decision. Is there poor wording in the emergency orders.

Were they deliberate lawbreakers or doing the wrong thing out of ignorance or disconnection from society. Why were they intent on WA, an opportunity there?

Ah my mind wanders.

It was reported on the news tonight that two of them wanted to get to the NT, one had planned to stay in Adelaide for a week and the other just wanted out of Melbourne as the lockdown was causing him anxiety issues. It was mentioned he was a Uni student from NZ

 

[33kft]

In Singapore, a few strokes of the rattan cures unfocussed thinking and if you cannot pay - you will learn a bit more.

That's gold. They cane people for serious offences such as rape, assault and murder in Singapore, not for anything related to Covid. It's like saying we jail people for life here in Australia so they don't dare jaywalk.

 

[jakeseven7]

It was reported on the news tonight that two of them wanted to get to the NT, one had planned to stay in Adelaide for a week and the other just wanted out of Melbourne as the lockdown was causing him anxiety issues. It was mentioned he was a Uni student from NZ

I wonder why they wanted to get to the NT... seems like a lot of effort...

 

[get me outta here]

Apparently, Victorians applying to change their driving licences from Vic to the ACT is up 150%. We have to be on the lookout everywhere for people trying to spread this around. So selfish

 

[jakeseven7]

Just a comment/question generally:

If the first round of infection is 3/7 based on patient zero of the Crossroads Hotel cluster then secondary infection could not be before 5/7, right? My understanding is it takes at least 2 days, but more typically 5 days before someone infected has a sufficient viral load to infect others.

Am I mistaken or is that thinking now out of the window or proven otherwise?

Funny I was thinking the same because of how quickly it is spreading around Sydney. And remember we are looking at spread in the past... so who knows where it is now in Sydney.

It appears actually people can become infectious almost immedietly according to NSW Health:

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Sydney hotel coronavirus cases became infectious within a day

COVID-19 cases linked to Sydney's swelling Crossroads Hotel cluster were infectious within a day or two after they had been infected, leaving contact tracers little time to contain the virus

It normally takes up to 14 days for coronavirus to start showing effects on the body, but authorities say Sydney's new cases are becoming infectious just one day after contracting the virus

NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard says the city is “effectively in a war zone” after ten cases were linked to the Crossroads Hotel cluster yesterday – bringing the total number of known infections to 34.

The state’s Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said several of the cases had developed their COVID-19 symptoms incredibly fast. She said Sydney’s new cases appear to show symptoms after just one day.

“It gives you very little time for the contact tracers, because you’ve got to get your cases diagnosed and then you’ve got to lock down those contacts,” Dr Chant said.

 

[jakeseven7]

Looks like more restrictions are coming soon for Sydney after all as the virus rapidly spreads, with more public locations and people that work in them testing positive overnight:

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More restrictions in NSW imminent as virus spread continues through Sydney

BREAKING: A Sydney butcher has closed after one of its workers tested positive to coronavirus on Wednesday afternoon.

Milperra's Meat Perfection, in the city's south-west, shut its doors after a 22-year-old employee, the owenr's son, was confirmed to have the virus.

As the virus spreads rapidly through Sydney, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian will consider rolling out further restrictions on "high-risk" activities in a bid to further suppress COVID-19, after she made the call to tighten restrictions on pubs from this Friday.

"We know what is safe, we know what is high-risk. There is definitely room for us to consider what else might be considered a high-risk activity and consider how we curtail some of that risk," she said

‘Concerning’ factor in 97 per cent of cases

Deputy chief medical officer Michael Kidd has revealed an unsettling factor in Australia's recent COVID-19 cases.

www.news.com.au

 

[get me outta here]

Actually, yes.

“We are aware of six confirmed cases who attended the Black Lives Matter protest. Currently there is no evidence to suggest they acquired the virus from the protest.

None of these cases are known to reside at a major public housing complex. Currently no known nor suspected episodes of transmission occurred at the protest itself.”

— Victoria's Department of Health and Human Services

Actually no.The Australian article only said that there was a link between the BLM protest positive cases and the Tower cases.Not at all suprising due to the timing of the protest being about 10 days after the first case at the Rydges.
It is just some people like imputing motives to journalists of the Australian.

 

[get me outta here]

I agree.

Seems like only last week I was reading how embarrassed we should be for Queensland due to the Premier keeping borders closed.

Seems like only a couple of months ago I was reading how wrong the New Zealand PM was to close things down.

Close the border Anastasia.. do it now

 

[jakeseven7]

Apparently, Victorians applying to change their driving licenses from Vic to the ACT is up 150%. We have to be on the lookout everywhere for people trying to spread this around. So selfish

Really we should be on the ‘lookout’ (as in being personally vigilant) anyway...regardless of who the people are and where you happen to be.

There was a great segment on ABC’s ‘The Drum’ last night on this actually where an medico talked about unconscious complacency and how that combined with intentional bad behaviour and a very contagious virus virtually ensures it will spread everywhere eventually - at some point.

There are always idiots in the world unfortunately, you seen them every day on the roads, in the shops, at your local pub.... what are we going to do...

 

[Pushka]

It seems the possible positive case being investigated in SA is a woman who recently spent quarantine in Victoria after overseas travel. Arrived into Adelaide - dont know when - and should be self isolating anyway - hopefully so - but will be "interesting" to get the update later today - ie whether she was testing positive when she left Victoria, or if she was even tested at all.

The test on the four stowaways would be due today. Hopefully all negative and they will be transferred back to Victoria and out of our hip pockets.

Glad we held off on booking a trip to FNQ, who knows when we’ll finally be allowed to go.

I'm not assuming we will get there either in August from SA.

 

[Gremlin]

Heard an interesting piece on the radio this morning. Apparently the NSW Govt were lobbied very, very hard by the AHA around "tightening" of restrictions applying to pubs. Yesterday's presser Gladys even mentioned that "some of the new proposals, such as reducing group bookings from 20 to 10, were recommended by the AHA".

There was a infectious diseases expert on the radio observing that none of the new restrictions would have made a scrap of difference to the spread of the virus at the Crossroads Hotel had they already been implemented. Furthermore, there were other measures that could have been implemented but were left on the table. Maybe it's a lobbying win by the AHA, but if the rest of the community pays a bigger price down the track then there should be some accountability for that.

 

[get me outta here]

The AHA has had a negative hand on many issues going back many years. Just think donations to a political party that supported pokies. It is a typical Industry Assocn in that regard.

 

[DC3]

I agree.

Seems like only last week I was reading how embarrassed we should be for Queensland due to the Premier keeping borders closed. ....

Although some are very easily embarrassed.

 

[jakeseven7]

Heard an interesting piece on the radio this morning. Apparently the NSW Govt were lobbied very, very hard by the AHA around "tightening" of restrictions applying to pubs. Yesterday's presser Gladys even mentioned that "some of the new proposals, such as reducing group bookings from 20 to 10, were recommended by the AHA".

There was a infectious diseases expert on the radio observing that none of the new restrictions would have made a scrap of difference to the spread of the virus at the Crossroads Hotel had they already been implemented. Furthermore, there were other measures that could have been implemented but were left on the table. Maybe it's a lobbying win by the AHA, but if the rest of the community pays a bigger price down the track then there should be some accountability for that.

It did feel a little 'token' the new restriction. But NSW have clearly said they don't want to impose anymore restrictions so this was fairly soft...

 

[drron]

Though there definitely are problems with contact tracing in Melbourne.An article behind a pay wall in the Herald sun yesterday about a man who tested positive some time last week and was not questioned about his work place until 3 days later.He rang and told his boss.He works at a meat works that supplies meat to Woolworths.So a major fail.
Fortunately some one photographed the article and posted it on twitter.
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As to the BLM cases I thought it had been reported that the genomic studies linked at least 2 of those cases to the recent Melbourne outbreak.Why isn't that newsworthy? Yes some nutters on twitter are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 61 as the answer but that always happens on both sides of the spectrum.Surely when they knew that link it would have been better for the CMO to announce that and explain the link and it doesn't mean that the BLM protestors infected anyone.The facts always come out in the end and by leaving it left the door wide open for misinterpretation and conspiracy theorists.

It does raise the question of who infected the BLM protestors.Had they worked or been guests of the Rydges? If so why didn't they suspect much earlier and test the family contacts earlier? Eid dinners were 24th May.

 

[SydneySwan]

Heard an interesting piece on the radio this morning. Apparently the NSW Govt were lobbied very, very hard by the AHA around "tightening" of restrictions applying to pubs. Yesterday's presser Gladys even mentioned that "some of the new proposals, such as reducing group bookings from 20 to 10, were recommended by the AHA".

There was a infectious diseases expert on the radio observing that none of the new restrictions would have made a scrap of difference to the spread of the virus at the Crossroads Hotel had they already been implemented. Furthermore, there were other measures that could have been implemented but were left on the table. Maybe it's a lobbying win by the AHA, but if the rest of the community pays a bigger price down the track then there should be some accountability for that.

The tightening of restrictions on NSW pubs is very much a Claytons tightening - you know the tightening you impose when you are not having a tightening. It will cause some inconvenience but unlikely to prevent virus spread.

 

[Lynda2475]

Am I mistaken or is that thinking now out of the window or proven otherwise?

News.com.au reports:

A young man who caught coronavirus at the Crossroads Hotel in Casula had “one of the highest infection levels we’ve ever seen”, NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard has revealed.

“His viral load was quite capable of spreading it to anybody near him … we all need to be on high alert.”

Mr Hazzard said the information should serve as a dire warning to young people, who make up 40 per cent of coronavirus cases, that the virus was “extremely dangerous”.

Younger people rarely experience life-threatening symptoms but are proving to be more infectious than older people.

“I’ve been talking to the health tracers, and they tell me young people get out and about in the evening and they go a lot of places,” he said.

“They can be super spreaders with great skill and acumen.”

 

[Pushka]

Press conference from Vic at 11am. Adelaide media pointing to very glum news. Hope they are wrong.

 

[jase05]

Press conference from Vic at 11am. Adelaide media pointing to very glum news. Hope they are wrong.

Yes, talk of a “record” day in Victoria.
Hopefully the 317 i heard it is way off the mark