Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Quickstatus]

surely cloth masks give a little protection

Why not use a type of mask which has greater protection than one which helps a little”

 

[drron]

Mask wearing helps if the person wearing it is infected. That does cut down on their chance of transmitting it. I did that today as I do currently have a respiratory virus-not covid.
However a person wearing a mask thinking that it will prevent them being infected is a whole other story. Despite the chance to do some really good studies no one basically has so we all go on hearsay and story telling. none is convincing.
Here is another report on mask wearing in schools. Of course it made no difference whether you wore a mask or not.

Our findings contribute to a growing body of literature which suggests school-based mask mandates have limited to no impact on the case rates of COVID-19 among K-12 students.

Association between School Mask Mandates and SARS-CoV-2 Student Infections: Evidence from a Natural Experiment of Neighboring K-12 Districts in North Dakota

There is still considerable debate about whether mask mandates in the K-12 schools limit transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in children attending school. Randomized data about the effectiveness of mask mandates in children is still entirely lacking. Our study took advantage of a unique natural experiment...

www.researchsquare.com

 

[andye]

Fake news.

On every ward I work in there is a table full of masks of every type including N95.
And all the masks are of “professional grade”.
Today I used 6

Agree. Sadly my best fit N95 is about to be discontinued at my place so I am stocking up
I continue to think that if you feel a mask is relevant to your activity, you should wear a proper one

 

[Quickstatus]

best fit N95

Mine is the 3M 1860 green cupped . Luckily they seem plentiful. The 3M 1870 auras second choice but also successfully fit tested.

These things are so low tech, I don’t know why Governments have not ramped local production under license.

 

[exceladdict]

Mask wearing helps if the person wearing it is infected. That does cut down on their chance of transmitting it. I did that today as I do currently have a respiratory virus-not covid.
However a person wearing a mask thinking that it will prevent them being infected is a whole other story. Despite the chance to do some really good studies no one basically has so we all go on hearsay and story telling. none is convincing.
Here is another report on mask wearing in schools. Of course it made no difference whether you wore a mask or not.

Association between School Mask Mandates and SARS-CoV-2 Student Infections: Evidence from a Natural Experiment of Neighboring K-12 Districts in North Dakota

There is still considerable debate about whether mask mandates in the K-12 schools limit transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in children attending school. Randomized data about the effectiveness of mask mandates in children is still entirely lacking. Our study took advantage of a unique natural experiment...

www.researchsquare.com

This is an ageing screenshot, complete with someone else's emphasis added, but encourages me it is of some benefit to the wearer to continue to wear a P2 in busy public situations, especially extended ones. Of course, the mask's fit, and many other factors play a part.

 

[JohnM]

If it keeps me safe(r) why not.

Plus I don't believe this will be around our entire lives. There are lots of clever people around and I'm sure they'll find a way of managing this pandemic better than the careless free for all most here are yearning.

Wear a mask. Much easier than those useless seat belts.

Re your points John:

1: Sure - If you think it keeps you safe, why not? I was not making a value judgement - merely making an an observation.

2: The common cold (a coronavirus) has been around forever and never 'managed' except for treating the symptoms. Why should it be different for covid (also a coronavirus (that's potentially nastier))? As for 'managing' a coronavirus pandemic, I hope you don't include someone like the AIDS-discredited rogue Anthony Fauci in your list of 'clever people', otherwise this will most definitely go on forever (https://www.amazon.com/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Childrens/dp/1510766804).

3. Well, maybe easier, but far less effective in a REAL emergency I would suggest:

But YMMV...

 

[drron]

This is an ageing screenshot, complete with someone else's emphasis added, but encourages me it is of some benefit to the wearer to continue to wear a P2 in busy public situations, especially extended ones. Of course, the mask's fit, and many other factors play a part.
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Unless it is a health facility that proves my point. If the person infected is wearing even a surgical mask there is little worry in most situations such as the supermarket etc when I would not spend 30 minutes.
But how did they get those figures-directly infect people? really all typical CDC humbug.
As for the last bit of a tightly sealed N95 mask will give you 2500 hours of protection is ludicrous. They are called N95 as they filter out 955 of particles. if only 1% enter the face piece it is an N99 mask.

 

[jase05]

Queensland’s purpose built “Wellcamp” quarantine facility will close in a few days, having housed 730 people since it opened 6mths ago, at a cost of $230M…
So just a lazy $315k per person….

 

[RooFlyer]

Queensland’s purpose built “Wellcamp” quarantine facility will close in a few days, having housed 730 people since it opened 6mths ago, at a cost of $230M…
So just a lazy $315k per person….

And still carries ongoing $mill payments to the owners while empty!

 

[jakeseven7]

Queensland’s purpose built “Wellcamp” quarantine facility will close in a few days, having housed 730 people since it opened 6mths ago, at a cost of $230M…
So just a lazy $315k per person….

As most people said.

Was always going to be a white elephant and a corrupt one probably at that.

At least the Victorian one they built has multi purposes. This one is and was always going to be a complete waste of money!

 

[N860CR]

As most people said.

Was always going to be a white elephant and a corrupt one probably at that.

At least the Victorian one they built has multi purposes. This one is and was always going to be a complete waste of money!

Well… not to the Wagners it wasn’t!

 

[woodyren]

Couldn't it be used to house the homeless particularly in a time where housing appears to have a critical shortage?

 

[drron]

And the Government in QLD has countered that the Commonwealth facility in Pinkenba is a white elephant. Of course being physically in Brisbane it can be easily repurposed for social housing. Advocates for the homeless and Women's crisis centres have already put up their hands to use Pinkenba.
Wellcamp is not in a good place for social housing.

 

[jakeseven7]

Couldn't it be used to house the homeless particularly in a time where housing appears to have a critical shortage?

At Wellcamp…? ummmm

 

[RooFlyer]

This is an ageing screenshot, complete with someone else's emphasis added, but encourages me it is of some benefit to the wearer to continue to wear a P2 in busy public situations, especially extended ones. Of course, the mask's fit, and many other factors play a part.

FWIW. I happily threw away my masks as soon as I was able. I have no fear of getting covid. Got it once - sore throat - get it again, if serious, well, tough luck.

But I have a domestic cruise coming up. Again, I have no fear of covid on the boat (other than missing stuff!!) but I don't want to be denied boarding, so I'm doing a 'lockdown lite' including surgical masks from T-10 days and now, T-7 days, I've migrated to N95 masks. Dunno if its going to protect me from a dose, but I'd feel a right git if I didn't, and then caught the pox.

Besides, in a Tasmanian winter, the masks keep my nose warm

 

[Solid]

Couldn't it be used to house the homeless particularly in a time where housing appears to have a critical shortage?

That's what it was doing to a certain extent. If you are homeless and caught Covid you were bundled off to Wellcamp.

 

[jb747]

Food for thought with regard to covid. My mother is 92. She has a number of issues, including lymphoma, and they seem to have conspired to make her doubly susceptible to whatever bugs are going around. She caught pneumonia and recovered...well enough to come home anyway. But the aftereffects of covid have left her with virtually no lung capacity, and she'll probably be off to an aged care home in the next few days. It's currently being called respite, but it's almost certain to be permanent. At her age she had limited time left anyway, but she was still able to look after herself, and even get into town. Now, she can't even get to the bathroom.

 

[JohnK]

Re your points John:

1: Sure - If you think it keeps you safe, why not? I was not making a value judgement - merely making an an observation.

2: The common cold (a coronavirus) has been around forever and never 'managed' except for treating the symptoms. Why should it be different for covid (also a coronavirus (that's potentially nastier))?

Because we've made a huge mistake not managing the common cold and we're now making an even bigger mistake not managing covid.

I don't have the answers but I'm sure someone does.

First off if you have any sort of temperature or respiratory symptoms you need stay home. Should not be allowed to visit any place especially use of public transport. If you need to get things done you need to find alternatives and do not go to work.

Secondly wear a mask in public areas where you cannot social distance. If it doesn't help the person wearing the mask at least it helps other people if that person has a communicable disease that isn't visible.

I'm sure there are other ways to reduce spread of any airborne virus.

If it's OK to die from common cold, covid etc why are we spending trillions trying to save people from cancer and other diseases? Surely that's a waste of money right? Or do we pick and choose who we try and save?

 

[RooFlyer]

First off if you have any sort of temperature or respiratory symptoms you need stay home. Should not be allowed to visit any place especially use of public transport. If you need to get things done you need to find alternatives and do not go to work.

And if we don't have any symptoms? What do we do then? Stay at home 'just in case'?

Or do we pick and choose who we try and save?

I'm afraid we do. Every day. You can vote out those who implement this horrid policy (NB: all of them) or stand yourself and change the system.

Maybe the present system is just karma.

 

[Quickstatus]

@JohnK
But…

To what extent are we going to enforce all that. Police enforcement?. Make it a crime?

Re healthcare rationing…
Who is more eligible for healthcare and who are less?

I hear what you are saying but I suspect it is very difficult to get such policies just right