Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

HappyFlyerFamily

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Has any state sent health teams to support NSW?

I remember during the Melbourne outbreak there was quite a lot of health teams from many states sent to support Victoria. I haven't heard of it happening this time for NSW.
I've not heard much from that perspective. Seemingly everyone is looking after their own patch - with Melbourne and ACT under lockdown......I do wonder what Federal stockpile of vaccinations are left - Sydney could do with some 24/7 walk-in vaccination hubs at prominent football stadiums....interstate nurses/pharmac_ would be handy to do that task.
 

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Has any state sent health teams to support NSW?

I remember during the Melbourne outbreak there was quite a lot of health teams from many states sent to support Victoria. I haven't heard of it happening this time for NSW.

I don’t know about physically but 3 states are/were assisting with contact tracing… not that it’s doing much good anymore though, numbers have been too high now for days to be effective and timely enough.
 

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I don’t know about physically but 3 states are/were assisting with contact tracing… not that it’s doing much good anymore though, numbers have been too high now for days weeks to be effective and timely enough.
Corrected that for you (not trying to be offensive)......
 

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Has any state sent health teams to support NSW?

I remember during the Melbourne outbreak there was quite a lot of health teams from many states sent to support Victoria. I haven't heard of it happening this time for NSW.

Apart from the ADF, I am not sure if the NSW Government has requested it? Contact tracing is being assisted, and specifically translation services as I understand it.



Most of the interstate nurses during the Vic Second Wave went to some of the Commonwealth overseen Aged Care Facilities that were overwhelmed with covid to specifically address that need ( ie those that are run by the private sector and the not-for-profits including religious groups) where spread was rife and the initial preference was that that residents be in the main treated and cared for in place. Plus apart from residents many of the aged care workforces were quarantined too. At those facilities even at the best of times the number of nurses is very low, and not anywhere near adequate to look after many ill residents. There were no outbreaks in any of the Vic Gov run aged care facilities.

The nurses that went were all accommodated in HQ type facilities, though not as rigidly run.

Apart from the "volunteer" nurses a number of private sector agencies were contracted by the Commonwealth Government to provide Doctors and Nurses to the aged care facilities that it was overseeing.

Eventually the decision was made instead to move all the residents from the badly effected aged care facilities to Victorian Hospitals instead, and the Vic Public Health system effectively took over responsibility. This meant not treating many non-covid patients that would normally be at hospitals.

I think that some also worked at some of the testing sites, but the numbers were not large.

At Howard Springs many of the staff are hired in from outside of the NT.
 

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Its about saving face. Andrews has offered support as had WA in recent times.

She probably more views that as an attack.

I can’t see her taking advice or support from Labor Premiers. She would probably resign before she did that.
 

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COVID test saga update: family members have been given today off and told to go to a private pathology site on Sunday. This also does not take bookings so still no guarantees.
Aside from the inconvenience, this sort of delay on close contacts is not really good for prompt contact tracing.
 

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Well, if we significantly soften lockdown measures not even remove all of them, there will be much more then 22K deaths per 7 weeks.
This is because of miserable state of healthcare system we got.
If all ICU beds will be filled (and they will be) with covid patients, and large number of staff knocked out ill from their duties, far more ppl will die - a direct impact on the ability to do major surgery, to look after someone after a car accident, or with sepsis, or a heart attack, or a stroke, or a diabetic emergency, or a complicated seizure, or who have taken an overdose, or who bleed seriously whilst they are having a baby.
ICU capability isn’t limited by what’s wrong with you. It’s not even usually limited by the number of beds or the number of ventilator. ICU capacity is mostly limited by the number of nursing staff available to care for you.
Its is ratio of ICU beds and doctors per million is ridiculous in Australia, not lockdown and closed borders, and that is the thing that should have been addressed right from March 2020.

I'm not quite sure why there is this constant obsession with implying that Australia's healthcare system is on-par with the Central African Republic. We have one of the highest funded public health systems in the world paid for by our massive taxes and levies. We have plenty of capacity to manage a hell of a lot more than we are now. Based on our current mortality rate of ~3 in ~10,000, we are not going to turn the corner and have bodies piling up in the streets. Based on worldwide data, a slight relaxation in our restrictions (ie: allow people to actually see others in their family) is unlikely to result in more than a few thousand cases a day. Adjust that again if we target the vaccinated.

no, because in an unvaccinated population, in NSW, about 10% of covid cases need to be admitted to hospital.

Totally false. There are currently approx ~350 people receiving treatment in hospital or being isolated.

You can't get more realistic when you came in terms with sobering facts about our healthcare system. THAT is what we need to accept as given unfortunately.
We need to forget about the misleading mantra "Australia has one of the most advanced health system in the world"...
It is simply not true. Nor its true for UK, US where ppl were left to die at home without any simple help as common occurrence.
This is what lies at the very bottom of any discussion on this forum - what ever moves our govts can resource to, right or wrong, vaccinate or not vaccinate - its all comes down to and limited by inadequate underfunded and unable healthcare.
Wrongly established from the scratch and outdated.
Backbone of which are just private GP's googling diagnosis right in front of you in their suburban boxes, and not centralized major state hospitals where diagnostic, pathology and any other examination, surgeries and rehub all happens quick and efficient under the same roof.

Again, incorrect. Love your Utopian model.

unfortunately they are, as risk is enormous expressed in ppls lives lost, not emotional trauma financial loss from restrictions.

Again, nobody is advocating removing all restrictions at this stage. Each life has a value and the "emotional trauma/financial loss" is something government is tasked to assess when creating legislation.

Unfortunately even with high vaccination rates there still be thousands of lives lost based on real life examples. In US where jab campaign is far more successful now with D variant hospitals still on brink of collapse right now.

Mississippi's Hospital System Could Collapse Within 10 Days Under COVID's Strain

Oregon’s COVID-19 hospitalizations could soar to about 1,100, double previous high

As we've been hearing for months, however they seem to get by. I would hardly hold the USA up as a beacon of health success.

Based on what, sorry?
Australia is actually low in tests, just enough to get by- number 51 in the world.
Just sort this table by tests per million criteria:
COVID Live Update: 206,981,339 Cases and 4,358,573 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Overall data doesn't mean a lot given Australia has spent a good portion of the last 18 months "covid free-ish". NSW is currently testing approx 130,000 people per day and returning tiny positivity rates.

But I am still think even a few years of pain still worth if we can in any way minimize number of families lost loved ones due to Chinese virus At the end of the day this is the only thing really matters.

It's certainly important, but it's not the only thing that matters. You lose a lot of credibility by dragging out the "Chinese Virus" line.

Look, I do get your point and I get that you are passionate. There is, however, a lot more to this than just people passing away. I agree our health system could do with some work, however locking the state down to make up for government failures is simply not a reasonable response. I guess there's only two weeks to go, and I would be very surprised if we didn't see things soften off at the end of August. The fact that we have people huddled around the TV/radio at 10:59 waiting for Gladys to swan out as though she's announcing the start of a war is quite telling. A huge amount of perspective has been lost. Really, what do case numbers mean? Virtually nothing, other than working people up about how much longer they'll be "locked down".

I'll definitely jump on board for a good government bash, but the correct bash is not "we need to lockdown because RPA is virtually the downtown Bangui medical centre!". The bash is "why has government failed to apply a clear, fact based and logical national plan".
 

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One thing to remember is that we are unlikely to start seeing deaths in the non-frail and terminally ill for a few weeks yet.

The deaths we have seen to date are generally in people that would not stand to benefit from prolonged ventilation/ECMO etc. In the robust, deaths are likely to occur several weeks after the systemic inflammatory response (which itself is usually about 2 weeks after initial infection).
 

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Ok so big grain of salt and a rumour only (so don’t scream at me) but apparently Dr Chant has tried to resign….
 

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Ok so big grain of salt and a rumour only (so don’t scream at me) but apparently Dr Chant has tried to resign….

It started on Reddit… apparently because the NSW government hasn’t been following her health advice….

NSW Health has denied she has resigned but has not denied that she tendered her resignation… apparently it was given several weeks ago and not accepted…

Certainly a lot of tension in the office I’m sure regardless

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Rumour that Kerry Chant has quit goes viral on Sydney's worst day of the pandemic after top doctor in NSW didn't attend a press conference for three days​




 
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It started on Reddit… apparently because the NSW government hasn’t been following her health advice….

NSW Health has denied it.

Certainly a lot of tension in the office I’m sure

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Rumour that Kerry Chant has quit goes viral on Sydney's worst day of the pandemic after top doctor in NSW didn't attend a press conference for three days​


IIRC the same rumor was started about Brett Sutton’s resignation during the big VIC wave
 

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Obviously it is on her to resign if she feels her advice is correct and not being followed, to the extent she no longer wishes to do the job.

However no government is obligated to act on the advice it receives. That's precisely why it is called advice and not instruction or mandate...
 

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IIRC the same rumor was started about Brett Sutton’s resignation during the big VIC wave

Yes and he took a break and reset and came back. There’s certainly something going on.

Apparently the Chant resignation was not accepted and NSW are not denying she tried to resign.
 
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Obviously it is on her to resign if she feels her advice is correct and not being followed, to the extent she no longer wishes to do the job.

However no government is obligated to act on the advice it receives. That's precisely why it is called advice and not instruction or mandate...
Yes - maybe it should be framed ‘we are followed the health advice …. That we cherry pick…’
 
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