Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[SydneySwan]

I can’t help thinking that this NSW lockdown is accelerating the change of leadership from Berejiklian to Perrottet. He is a much better communicator and always seems much more across the detail.

 

[RAM]

Some of it I get. Moorebank is a huge logistics hub and needs to be staffed. But if your essential, sorry “critical” retail store outside the lockdown area can’t open due to staffing issues so be it. There are alternatives for almost everything.

There are a lot of Q & VA staff who previously worked in the stores earlier during CV that for some reason are available again. Experienced workers at that!

Never let common sense get in the way of profits.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I can’t help thinking that this NSW lockdown is accelerating the change of leadership from Berejiklian to Perrottet. He is a much better communicator and always seems much more across the detail.

Its much easier to stay on message when you just handle the State economy. The NSW Treasurer is not that equipped to handle a pandemic. Don't forget the NSW Treasurer has been lobbying for the 'let it rip' covid response.

The pandemic (ie NSW restrictions and such) won't be over until early 2022 as a best case scenario.

 

[bcworld]

No this time even the CHO did not mention the death...it didn't warrant a mention. For Twitter only.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

When did he state that?

I heard him speak today on the Rugby at AAMI Park, and the Euro Final watched at The Crafty Squire Venue in Melbourne

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Three Aisles 21-23 are the area of concern at AAMI Park.

An Aisle means a whole bay of seating, and not 3 rows. And AAMI Park is not the MCG.


The seating plan below shows the main area of concern.


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At the MCG Rows are typically 30 odd seats long. So for seats to be within droplet range they would need to within a small section of a row of a few abutting rows +- to where 60s man was seated.

I assume G7 is Gate 7 - that's quite some distance from the bathrooms between Aisles/Bays 21-23

 

[RAM]

Its much easier to stay on message when you just handle the State economy. The NSW Treasurer is not that equipped to handle a pandemic. Don't forget the NSW Treasurer has been lobbying for the 'let it rip' covid response.

The pandemic (ie NSW restrictions and such) won't be over until early 2022 as a best case scenario.

and that's not what happened for the first 28 days of outbreak with the "Clayton's lockdown"?

At least workers are supposed to wear maks but still allowing people to exercise mask-free up to 10 km from home, means in Sydney that you can cover around 1 million people.

In Victoria, the Sun Herald (known high quality publication....) has provided a 5km tool for people to know where they can go for exercising. Yet their NSW cousin, The Telegraph, has not. Whilst you can input an address anywhere in Australia in the Sun Herald tool, you cannot change the radius. When I first made an inefficient workaround - I was appalled at how much of Sydney it covered.

Think of school days (not that long ago for AFFers) & Venn diagrams. Consider overlapping 10km radius circles.

So if a person exercises with friend A, who lives 19km west of you, on Monday. Then on Wednesday you go for a run/walk with friend B who lives 19km north of you.

If you turned out to be a super-spreader then that's a huge area of Sydney put at risk by just one person potentially infecting both friends before being found to be CV positive.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I can understand logistics, but the supermarket staff can just stay home and roster in other staff from outside the "epicentre".....

If you can find staff willing to do that, and in the numbers required. It's a big favour to ask people who have already worked their week, perhaps with overtime already, to give up time with their family to cover staff from other LGAs. (As a 'once off' - maybe. But this lockdown could go on for months yet.)

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

If you can find staff willing to do that, and in the numbers required. It's a big favour to ask people who have already worked their week, perhaps with overtime already, to give up time with their family to cover staff from other LGAs. (As a 'once off' - maybe. But this lockdown could go on for months yet.)

Well the big supermarkets can also temporarily relocate staff from their usual workplace - eg Fairfield staff work in Fairfield stores etc etc.

If all else failed, supermarkets would just need to work with reduced staff - they are earning heaps in sales anyway. Sort of feel they should be happy they can open and not forced into 100% click and collect and delivery (exception for those without internet/computers).

And to think big business couldn't make it work for say 2 months to make a lockdown have the desired effect is quite laughable in my opinion.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I assume G7 is Gate 7 - that's quite some distance from the bathrooms between Aisles/Bays 21-23

Looking at the AAMI restrictions the Gate 7 would seem to supersede the other other ones, though I do not know all of the Aisles(Bays) that are accessed via Gate 7. At the MCG the ground is segmented into zones that you access via particular gate. So I would assume that this would also have been so at AAMI.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

New NSW SHA - 'medi-hotel" - will also post in quarantine hotel listing, since I guess its partly relevant

Sydney apartment owners blindsided by decision to turn part of complex into COVID hotel

Residents of an apartment complex on Sydney's north shore say they had no idea one of the buildings would be turned into a "medi-hotel" for people with COVID-19, and other close contacts of confirmed cases trying to isolate.

www.abc.net.au

Residents in a cluster of Sydney apartment blocks have been blindsided by a decision to house COVID-19 patients in their complex as part of a makeshift "medi-hotel".

Key points:​

• Meriton Suites is a five-star hotel being transformed into Special Health Accommodation for COVID-19 quarantine
• Residents of the adjacent Meriton Macquarie Residences say they found out via social media
• The local health district says the recent surge in cases has resulted in an urgent need

One woman who lives in the Meriton Macquarie Residences on Sydney's north shore claimed residents found out via a social media post about the new quarantine facility.

From next week, it is going to open in the Meriton Suites apartment hotel building — in close proximity to Meriton Macquarie Residences and across the road from the busy Macquarie shopping centre.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Lynda2475 said:
And Suttonn just stated the cases at MCG were seated within 3 rows of each other, totally within droplet spread range. So not as random as previously claimed.

All of them or just the new ones announced today?

In the video stream that I watched Sutton said he was addressing rugby and soccer (football) fans and only spoke on two sporting venues (AAMI for the Rugby) and The Crafty Squire. Weimar and Sutton both mentioned Aisle 20-23 being the aisles of key concern at the Rugby. No mention of rows in the presser.


On the MCG, Weimar stated that the Mildura Man was in the Level 2 Member's Reserve and was not more definitive than that. While the man is yet to be interviewed, they would know from the booking data where his seat was.

There was no mention of 3 rows only at the MCG in the stream that I watched.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Looking at the AAMI restrictions the Gate 7 would seem to supersede the other other ones, though I do not know all of the Aisles(Bays) that are accessed via Gate 7. At the MCG the ground is segmented into zones that you access via particular gate. So I would assume that this would also have been so at AAMI.

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The AAMI Park Exposure Site requirements have now been updated as of 2.15PM today. Note that there 2 new AAMI Park Cases reported today.

In this update it is the first time that Rows have been mentioned for any sporting venue in this outbreak that I have seen. Though this is Sections 22 to 24, Rows A-U (17 Rows) Seats 37-457. So that is a big zone of seats.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Graphic of City of Hume and Maribyrnong Clusters to date by dbRaeven.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Well the big supermarkets can also temporarily relocate staff from their usual workplace - eg Fairfield staff work in Fairfield stores etc etc.

If all else failed, supermarkets would just need to work with reduced staff - they are earning heaps in sales anyway. Sort of feel they should be happy they can open and not forced into 100% click and collect and delivery (exception for those without internet/computers).

And to think big business couldn't make it work for say 2 months to make a lockdown have the desired effect is quite laughable in my opinion.

It's not big business I'm getting at... I'm sure they have the money. It's the staff. Asking staff to work extra shifts, or travel half way across Sydney to work a shift at another store is maybe ok as a couple of one-offs... but to do so for a couple months is a big ask. Restrictions of this nature didn't seem necessary in Melbourne.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It's not big business I'm getting at... I'm sure they have the money. It's the staff. Asking staff to work extra shifts, or travel half way across Sydney to work a shift at another store is maybe ok as a couple of one-offs... but to do so for a couple months is a big ask. Restrictions of this nature didn't seem necessary in Melbourne.

Well apparently around 70% of current positives for the past few days are from one LGA (Fairfield) and (as at yesterday) it seemed like they wanted to try a version of a postcode lockdown (ie only allow healthcare and emergency workers out with asymptomatic testing) but were thwarted by big business saying its all too hard.

The 3 LGA (the two others seeing some spill over) account for 850,000 people - so potentially a 16% impact - even if it could have been limited to Fairfield LGA 210,000 people (4% impact).

But now the 3 LGA residents can leave for critical retail plus healthcare plus emergency work, but need to get tested [Edit: for clarity, Fairfield residents need to get tested for out of LGA work; residents of the other two LGAs need to get a test if healthcare work - other types of work no test required at the moment].

NSW authorities have said people are going to work with covid (unknown what % is asymptomatic), reading between the lines - some/many could be working in retail.

 

[antycbr]

Well apparently around 70% of current positives for the past few days are from one LGA (Fairfield) and (as at yesterday) it seemed like they wanted to try a version of a postcode lockdown (ie only allow healthcare and emergency workers out with asymptomatic testing) but were thwarted by big business saying its all too hard.

The 3 LGA (the two others seeing some spill over) account for 850,000 people - so potentially a 16% impact - even if it could have been limited to Fairfield LGA 210,000 people (4% impact).

But now the 3 LGA residents can leave for critical retail plus healthcare plus emergency work, but need to get tested.

NSW authorities have said people are going to work with covid (unknown what % is asymptomatic), reading between the lines - some/many could be working in retail.

I am surprised that they didn’t use the implemented rules for Liverpool and Canterbury-Bankstown and keep the original rules as announced by the Premier (healthcare and emergency workers) for Fairfield. As you say the impact is less at 4 percent.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I am surprised that they didn’t use the implemented rules for Liverpool and Canterbury-Bankstown and keep the original rules as announced by the Premier (healthcare and emergency workers) for Fairfield. As you say the impact is less at 4 percent.

Yes, agree. That was my thinking too as I was typing.

PS Got my figures in a hurry of wikipedia - so apologies if not 100% accurate.

 

[Milboo]

Got to love the Sydney media. 2 days ago they are publishing articles beating up the Govt for not closing retail and stopping movement. And today it’s on to articles about how the LGA lockdown is going to cripple small businesses…

And any chance the couple of people sniping at each other constantly in this thread can give it a break? Perhaps stepping away from constantly being in this thread might be a good idea.

 

[SydneySwan]

Its much easier to stay on message when you just handle the State economy. The NSW Treasurer is not that equipped to handle a pandemic. Don't forget the NSW Treasurer has been lobbying for the 'let it rip' covid response.

The pandemic (ie NSW restrictions and such) won't be over until early 2022 as a best case scenario.

Baird and Berejiklian were both treasurers before ascending to the premiership. It is a well-worn route. Perrottet will almost certainly follow. l am wondering who you think is equipped to handle a pandemic. Of the elected politicians across this great land I am pushed to name anyone really. If the premiers hadn't become so popular by locking down and locking other states out, I am sure some of them would have appointed a Minister for the Pandemic to take the flack.

 

[bcworld]

Got to love the Sydney media. 2 days ago they are publishing articles beating up the Govt for not closing retail and stopping movement. And today it’s on to articles about how the LGA lockdown is going to cripple small businesses…

Welcome to what living in a real lockdown is like.

At least NSW can rely on the support of the federal govt. And I see the opposition there has so far declined to use it as an opportunity for political points scoring. The Vic Liberals still haven't got the memo though.