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Questions about refuelling -

1. Are aircraft always refuelled from one particular side?

2. Can refuelling be done on either side?

3. Can refuelling be done on both sides simultaneously and would it be any faster?

Thanks

I have only ever flown narrow body aircraft (and the C-130) that have one main refuelling receptacle for the truck to plug into, on one side. You can direct which tanks the fuel goes into from the refuelling panel or the flightdeck.
 
What is the maximum roll angle for a passenger jet before you got uncomfortable? During turbulence I can see the flaps working to keep the plane horizontal - just wondering if bad enough turbulence could cause the plane to roll so much that it lost lift? Have you experienced any conditions where the power of the flaps and stabilisers could not overcome the jerking/roll caused by weather/wind?
 
What is the maximum roll angle for a passenger jet before you got uncomfortable?

Before I get uncomfortable, or you...?

Most online manoeuvres are done at about 20º of bank. The figure varies with speed, height, and simply how far you want to turn. The autopilot will go to about 30º, but rarely does so. In the sim we occasionally have a go at 60º (down low). G limit is 2.5g, which would equate to 67º.

During turbulence I can see the flaps working to keep the plane horizontal - just wondering if bad enough turbulence could cause the plane to roll so much that it lost lift?

Most roll effects in turbulence are only a couple of degrees. The controls have plenty of authority to stop any roll (in fact, at high speeds, some controls are disabled, as they would be too powerful). Most likely (especially on an Airbus) what you are seeing are not control inputs to stop roll, but rather load relief. You'll see control surfaces that are right next to each other, operating in different directions.

Have you experienced any conditions where the power of the flaps and stabilisers could not overcome the jerking/roll caused by weather/wind?

The flaps have no control input. They are only there for extra lift and drag (basically they convert the wing shape from a low speed wing, to a high speed one). Spoilers have multiple functions, and are used for roll control, as speed brakes, and as ground spoilers (to kill the lift) on landing. I've never had any control issues due weather. As a side note, QF 30 lost all roll control to one wing (no, ailerons or roll spoilers), and I didn't notice.
 
Questions about refuelling -

1. Are aircraft always refuelled from one particular side?

2. Can refuelling be done on either side?

3. Can refuelling be done on both sides simultaneously and would it be any faster?

Everything I've flown has only one refuelling point (unless you want to count the air to air probe on the A4). That allows the plumbing of the airports to be standardised. There's a refuelling panel somewhere on the aircraft that is used to control the fuel loading. On the A380, it's on the aft fuselage, behind the body gear. The distribution is automatic.
 
The flaps have no control input. They are only there for extra lift and drag (basically they convert the wing shape from a low speed wing, to a high speed one).
Are flaps designed to be slow to deploy/retract or is just that they don't need to be fast?
 
Are flaps designed to be slow to deploy/retract or is just that they don't need to be fast?

As JB mentioned, they adjust the shape of the wing with resulting improvements in lift (and drag). Using a light aircraft such as a Piper or Cessna as an example, the flaps can move very quickly, and can be controlled with a handle similar to a hand brake in a car. Quickly extending the flaps results in a sudden increase in lift and a climb, and quickly retracting the flaps the opposite occurs...not ideal for aircraft controllability or passenger comfort. There's also a reasonable pitch change that takes place with flap movement which again, is not something you want to happen to quickly.

Flaps are the largest control surface on the wing, so they simply take a long time to extend and retract on an airliner. They're driven hydraulically by jackscrews, and along with the force required to move them in the first place, also have air loads increasing the work required to move them. Taking too long to move can also be an issue. On the 747, if they're being driven by an alternate electrical system due to a hydraulic failure, it can take minutes instead of seconds to extend/retract the flaps, which hampers efficient (and potentially safe) departure or landing manoeuvring.
 
I was on QF74 out of SFO last night (B747), on the forward aisle upstairs. The ground crew guy went to the coughpit with the 'last minute paperwork', as usual.

When it seemed to be taking longer than usual, I took an interest. For five minutes more the guy was talking to the crew (I could see the SO in the middle seat), then the ground guy went onto his knees and appeared to be looking for something within his document(s) for a further five minutes.

Then he left and we soon departed.

My question is, what sort of issue might require discussion between the ground guy and the crew for over 10 minutes and some intensive paperwork checking by the ground guy? (I don't know of course if others were involved via radio). I thought the 'paperwork' was a statement of fact - weights, pax numbers etc. I guess the crew could query something, but then it wouldn't fill you with confidence if there was an error in, say the weights reported.
 
I was on QF74 out of SFO last night (B747), on the forward aisle upstairs. The ground crew guy went to the coughpit with the 'last minute paperwork', as usual.

When it seemed to be taking longer than usual, I took an interest. For five minutes more the guy was talking to the crew (I could see the SO in the middle seat), then the ground guy went onto his knees and appeared to be looking for something within his document(s) for a further five minutes.

Then he left and we soon departed.

My question is, what sort of issue might require discussion between the ground guy and the crew for over 10 minutes and some intensive paperwork checking by the ground guy? (I don't know of course if others were involved via radio). I thought the 'paperwork' was a statement of fact - weights, pax numbers etc. I guess the crew could query something, but then it wouldn't fill you with confidence if there was an error in, say the weights reported.

Which ground crew person? An engineer, or just the terminal ground staff. If it was an engineer, he may have been inserting a last minute MEL. That will require some level of discussion with the crew, as well as using the tech log.

Load data isn't done by the ground staff. It is sent via ACARS, and it is, as you say, a simple statement of the facts.
 
Yes, sounds like an engineer. I just assumed :rolleyes: he was delivering a paper based manifest (as he carried something in his hand), as we see on domestic flights, but yes, I recall you saying here (probably more than once) that its ACARS delivered on these types of flights.

Thanks once again.
 
In case you've not seen the Emirate's preliminary accident report...

FRANKFURT—The Aug. 3 crash landing of Emirates Flight 521 at Dubai International Airport appears to have been caused by the late application of takeoff power in an attempted go-around, according to the sequence of events detailed in the preliminary accident report. The report, released by the General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) of the United Arab Emirates on Sept. 6, says the pilots tried a go-around following a long landing, but moved the thrust levers from the idle position to full forward only 3 sec. before impact on the runway.

The Emirates Boeing 777-300 operated as Flight 521 from Trivandrum International Airport in India to Dubai with 282 passengers and 18 crew on board. The aircraft slid down the runway, burst in flames and was completely destroyed. Twenty-one passengers, one cabin crewmember and one pilot suffered minor injuries, and one flight attendant was seriously injured. A firefighter died when the center fuel tank exploded 8 min, after the failed landing.

Cabin evacuation was complicated by a number of escape slides being blown against the aircraft doors by strong winds—or detaching and deflating—and also by strong smoke.

Passengers were also seen to have taken their carry-on baggage as they exited the aircraft.

The 34-year-old captain was pilot flying with 7,457 total flight hours and 5,128 hr. on the aircraft type. The 777-300 was configured for landing with flaps set at 30 and an approach speed of 152 kt. selected, as it neared runway 12L. There was a wind shear warning in place for all runways and Dubai air traffic control cleared the flight to land with wind reported from 340 deg. at 11 kt.

As the aircraft descended through 1,100 ft. at 152 kt., the wind direction started to change from a headwind component of 8 kt. to a tailwind. The autopilot was disconnected at 920 ft., but the autothrottle remained engaged. The tailwind component increased to 16 kt. The pilot flying flared the aircraft at 35 ft. and 159 kt., and the autothrottle transitioned to idle. During the flare and 5 sec. before eventual touchdown, the wind changed back to a headwind.

Wheel sensors indicated the right main landing gear touched the ground at 12:37 a.m. local time, already 1,100 meters from the threshold and at a speed of 162 kt. The left gear made contact with the runway 3 sec. later, but the nose gear remained airborne.

The aircraft’s runway awareness advisory system (RAAS) warned the crew about the long landing, following which the decision to go around was made. After liftoff, the flap lever was moved to the 20 position and the landing gear was selected to the up position. The aircraft was cleared by air traffic control for a straight runway heading and a climb to 4,000 ft. The 777 then climbed to a maximum of 85 ft. and an indicated airspeed (IAS) of 134 kt.

According to the report, the aircraft began sinking back toward the runway and the first officer called out, “Check speed.” Three seconds before impact the thrust levers were moved to full forward. One second before the aircraft hit the ground, with the gear in the process of retracting, the engines started to respond.

The GCAA did not publish the recording of pilot communications in its preliminary report. One crucial question therefore has yet to be clarified: Did the crew hit the take-off/go-around (TOGA) button (which will not automatically advance the throttles after touchdown)?

The report says: “The aircraft was in a rapidly changing and dynamic flight environment. The initial touchdown and transition of the aircraft from air to ground mode, followed by the lift-off and the changes in the aircraft configuration in the attempted go-around, involved operational modes, logics and inhibits of a number of systems, including the autothrottle, the air/ground system the weather radar and the GPWS. The characteristics of these systems, and others, will be examined during the course of the investigation.”

The GCAA did not make any safety recommendations in the report.
 
Why did Emirates 777 DXB-BNE divert to ADL? Seems well out of the way. Were other airports closed at this time?
 
Why did Emirates 777 DXB-BNE divert to ADL? Seems well out of the way. Were other airports closed at this time?

I don't know. What was the flight number?

A flight from Dubai to Brisbane is likely to have Adelaide as the closest airport for quite some time.

Ah, EK432. He's diverted from roughly Coober Pedy, so Adelaide is the nearest major airport.
 
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I was reading about a phone being crushed by the seat being reclined and then the the battery catching on fire. The cabin crew contained the fire . I was wondering what is the procedure for the flight crew?
 
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I was reading about a phone being crushed by the seat being reclined and then the the battery catching on fire. The cabin crew contained the fire . I was wondering what is the procedure for the flight crew?

For items like this we are reliant upon the cabin crew to take care of the event.
 
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In relation to EK521 and go arounds, is it something forefront in your mind during landing or does it stay toward the back of your mind? To give context to my question, i'm thinking about the at least 12 seconds (i think) of time from the GA call to throttles being pushed forward.

I'm no doubt being simplistic in my thoughts here as i have no idea the amount of information to process when landing a 777 (or any large commercial) but I would think that a GA would always be a very real possibility and i personally would be ready with those thoughts especially if i wasn't the flying pilot.

As always, look forward to and thank you for your insight!!
 

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