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Considering QF didn't have to send the aircraft back to the airport (viz. after taking off) and arrived fairly much on time, I doubt there is any merit or appreciable liability in sending them the bill. This is not like that old woman on the Trans-Tasman flight who forced QF to return to MEL after getting belligerent.

airlines can incur huge fines for not pushing back from the terminal on time, especially at busy airports like FRA and LHR I believe. I'm guessing LAX might be the same.

however - I would be surprised if this was the sole matter which led to the pax deciding to leave the flight - this might have been the culmination of events of which they were not happy. With the sort of revenues F class pax bring I would also be surprised if QF didn't continue to want their business.
 
airlines can incur huge fines for not pushing back from the terminal on time, especially at busy airports like FRA and LHR I believe. I'm guessing LAX might be the same.

Slots are the issue. Miss your slot, and you might not even be able to depart. I don't think anything like this applies late at night out of LA.

however - I would be surprised if this was the sole matter which led to the pax deciding to leave the flight - this might have been the culmination of events of which they were not happy. With the sort of revenues F class pax bring I would also be surprised if QF didn't continue to want their business.

All pure conjecture. Neither you nor I know, so let's leave it for rumour forums or threads.
 
An official answer with regard to the A330 'ding' after take off.

It is associated with the emergency exit signs being extinguished. It is triggered by the position of the nose landing gear air/ground logic. The dings have been suppressed in the 380.

This week was on a QF A330 from SYD-HKG followed by a KA A330 from HKG-NKG, KA A320 NKG-HKG, KA A330 HKG-PEK, CX A330 PEK-HKG and a QF A380 HKG-SYD. Out of these aircraft and airlines the ding only appears on the QF A330. The remaining aircraft all exhibited the EXIT signs extinguishing / illuminating upon gear retraction / extension without the associated ding as heard on the QF A330.
 
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This week was on a QF A330 from SYD-HKG followed by a KA A330 from HKG-NKG, KA A320 NKG-HKG, KA A330 HKG-PEK, CX A330 PEK-HKG and a QF A380 HKG-SYD. Out of these aircraft and airlines the ding only appears on the QF A330. The remaining aircraft all exhibited the EXIT signs extinguishing / illuminating without the associated ding as heard on the QF A330.

all cx and ka airbus aircraft have the ding and exit signs extinguish/illuminate with wheels up/down (or however it is that jb describes it :))
 
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There will be a charter flight bringing back the Athletes from the Olympics.

How do you get that flight or is it just a rostering thing and how ever it falls.

Seniority thing?
 
With the sort of revenues F class pax bring I would also be surprised if QF didn't continue to want their business.
As a followup in today's herald-sun newspaper Qantas said that these two pax are "very loyal" frequent flyers and as you've said, no doubt that they do bring in a lot of revenue for the airline.

When I read the article it also said that the pax were happy with Qantas' service. I spluttered into my tea over that one. But then, being an occasional back-of-the-plane pax I have no idea how such things work at that level. All I know is that if I miss my flight I've done my dough, no refunds over hissy fits or anything like that for the likes of me.
 
JB, I'm reading Richard's book. It's at the point where he's met with his crew and has gone over the upcoming flight. He seemed to be concerned with egos, which, to me is curious.

Why would this be an issue? Where could a person's ego be a problem? Aren't the roles of FO and SO significantly defined so there are no misunderstandings where each person sits as far as their jobs go?


And at that level I would've thought that the professionalism that is associated with how Qantas flight crews operate, it should never a consideration, should it?
 
JB, I'm reading Richard's book. It's at the point where he's met with his crew and has gone over the upcoming flight. He seemed to be concerned with egos, which, to me is curious.

Why would this be an issue? Where could a person's ego be a problem? Aren't the roles of FO and SO significantly defined so there are no misunderstandings where each person sits as far as their jobs go?
And at that level I would've thought that the professionalism that is associated with how Qantas flight crews operate, it should never a consideration, should it?

Me thinks it has been 'talked up' to create a little drama in the book!
 
There will be a charter flight bringing back the Athletes from the Olympics.

How do you get that flight or is it just a rostering thing and how ever it falls.

Seniority thing?

I've never taken much notice of such flights, as they don't ever seem to appear in the lists of available flying. In general, I suspect they're done by management pilots (i.e fleet managers, senior checks, etc).
 
I'm a bit past the same spot in the book. I think I'd call it artistic licence. The 'take' on command that is being presented isn't how I operate...so I guess that's why I didn't write a book.

Not all captains operate in the same way (even keeping exactly to SOP); there are always different personalities. There is room for that, and FOs become very adept at dancing to whatever tune is being played.
 
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For a change of topic...

I have a recent experience on a flight where:

1. The pilots took a wrong turn at a major airport, taxied down towards the wrong end of the runway for a couple of minutes before making a u-turn. Don't think it was a runway change, since there were aircrafts rumbling past in the correct direction even when we were turning back.

2. I can't see the weather or the radar obviously, but the use of the seat belt sign was majorly excessive. There appears no change of direction in each of those cases, so it appears to me that the crew was simply flicking on the switch whenever something appears on the radar, with no judgements being applied to the flight path or whether the turbulence (if any) would be severe. I would've given them the benefit of the doubt if that didn't happen 4 times over 7 hours at 35000 feet.

3. Had a landing in SYD with gusty wind, although the cross-wind component was quite low. I could hear the engines continuously reving up and down, hunting for the right airspeed, all the way down to the flare. Seems to me that it's either an over-reliance on the auto-throttle, or the pilot flying had very shaky hands. I might be wrong, but such over-reliance on the auto-throttle in such condition doesn't seem right to me? And given the constant changes in pitch and direction, it didn't feel like the approach was stabilised at any stage at all.

Putting it all together, am I just thinking/speculating too much, or should I really be flying on another airline?
 
1. The pilots took a wrong turn at a major airport, taxied down towards the wrong end of the runway for a couple of minutes before making a u-turn. Don't think it was a runway change, since there were aircrafts rumbling past in the correct direction even when we were turning back.

Well, if you turned the wrong way, ATC would be onto you in an instant. I really doubt that you'd make it to 30 seconds...much less a couple of minutes. It can be very hard to work out why something is happening from the back. For instance, a taxi route might be available to aircraft with a wing span or weigh limit, which means that others could have to take a longer route. Performance limitations could force the use of a particular runway, even though everyone else is using something else. I've taken the long way at one airport, because it gave me a better turn onto a taxiway a few hundred metres away.

2. I can't see the weather or the radar obviously, but the use of the seat belt sign was majorly excessive. There appears no change of direction in each of those cases, so it appears to me that the crew was simply flicking on the switch whenever something appears on the radar, with no judgements being applied to the flight path or whether the turbulence (if any) would be severe. I would've given them the benefit of the doubt if that didn't happen 4 times over 7 hours at 35000 feet.

What, the seat belt came on 4 times and you didn't get any bumps? That's perfectly normal. Firstly, you don't have radar, and so can't actually see what is happening. Most times that I turn the signs on, we get no bumps, either because they aren't actually there, or because I've managed to miss them. If we get it right, sometimes we thread the needle through the most horrid stuff, without any nasty bumps...but go a mile or so to either side, and it will be a very different story. Of course, from the back, that smooth ride will simply seem to be seat belt overkill.

Think of it the other way too. If I don't turn it on, and you get to kiss the ceiling, who will you blame?

3. Had a landing in SYD with gusty wind, although the cross-wind component was quite low. I could hear the engines continuously reving up and down, hunting for the right airspeed, all the way down to the flare. Seems to me that it's either an over-reliance on the auto-throttle, or the pilot flying had very shaky hands. I might be wrong, but such over-reliance on the auto-throttle in such condition doesn't seem right to me? And given the constant changes in pitch and direction, it didn't feel like the approach was stabilised at any stage at all.

Gusty winds can be hard work, with constant pitch, roll and power changes. A stabilised approach doesn't mean that the attitude and power have reached a point of stability. It just means that you're on the correct glide path and track, with the attitude, sink rate, and speed within the approach tolerances. The attitude and power may be changing dramatically, constantly, to keep the aircraft in those spots. The whole thing is dynamic. Power additions, even within the flare, are just a normal day at the office.
 
Think of it the other way too. If I don't turn it on, and you get to kiss the ceiling, who will you blame?

LOL :) I like that comment, the next time the guy/gal next to me decides not to buckle up I will definitely use that line!
 
I'm a bit past the same spot in the book. I think I'd call it artistic licence. The 'take' on command that is being presented isn't how I operate...so I guess that's why I didn't write a book.
Would you like to expand on your flavor of command? No biggie if you don't. Just that it adds another perspective to the story, for me.

Right now I'm up to where it's "Now or Never", settling the aircraft for approach and landing.

I must say, if Richard's depiction of what Matt went through is totally accurate, the poor fellow must think that doing his regular sims these days is a walk in the park.

And I wonder if Richard feels that after that exercise, if he'd need to ever be checked again...

From what I've read so far, and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems that the fellows biggest problem was that ECAM was feeding them a lot of disinformation, due to failed comms connections and the like. Thing is, their biggest problems was to sort the chaff from the hay and how do you do that if what's being displayed may or may not be correct?

Whatever, I'll wager that they would've dreamed of never ending ECAM alerts for a while after that.

I liked how the command structure worked. Wish it was the same where I work. If a major SNAFU occurs everyone wants to get in on the act, mainly because such events rarely occur for us, unlike at other sites which run older technology. So everyone wants to have a play.

But, unlike QF30 and 32, you can take a break, call the missus, whatever.
 
Actually I thought the physicists were still trying to find 'gravity waves'. I've never heard the term used before.
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That was my first thought as a physicist. Had a mate do an honours project looking for gravity waves. It doesn't really matter because gravity is a force between planet sized objects, there really shouldn't be variability on an aircraft sized scale.


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That was my first thought as a physicist. Had a mate do an honours project looking for gravity waves. It doesn't really matter because gravity is a force between planet sized objects, there really shouldn't be variability on an aircraft sized scale.

I suspect the issue is that there are two similarly named concepts. Gravity Waves are a concept in fluid mechanics, whereas Gravitational Waves are those from the world of (special) relativity. They are different things, and gravity waves certainly have atmospheric effects.
 

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