Asiana 777 hull loss at SFO

[markis10]

I can see now why witnesses described the plane as "cartwheeling down the runway". Obviously not quite that dramatic, but still I am astonished that fatalities were so low. It must have been a solid impact when it came down for the last time, and I'll bet a lot of people have their seatbelts to thank for their lives. And their limbs.

Looking at the interior I am amazed at such a low fatality count!

From 8 Photos of the Asiana Airlines Crash From the NTSB That You Must See | Airline Reporter | Blogging on the airline business

 

[BAM1748]

I always have my passport, wallet and cash on me. I now would be thinking about putting on my day backpack on front ways and clicking on the strap on my back for landings. Other cough like clothing and duty free can stay on the plane if it ever crashed.

Anybody know if the FA's that were blown out at the back survived? Thankfully the pax got off before the fire started.

Forget the day pack, snap as many pics as you can and take the camera if you need, or just the memory card. if you need a life jacket you'll be struggling with a pack on.

 

[matty744]

I can see now why witnesses described the plane as "cartwheeling down the runway". Obviously not quite that dramatic, but still I am astonished that fatalities were so low. It must have been a solid impact when it came down for the last time, and I'll bet a lot of people have their seatbelts to thank for their lives. And their limbs.

Also just goes to show what a beast of a aircraft the 777 is. Both crashes had substantial impacts but managed to pull through with the majority of the aircraft body still intact and saving many lives of the passengers inside.

 

[samh004]

From my limited lack of knowledge, the attitude looked a little high as if they were in the stall for a lot longer than indicated. Reminds me of the AF447 incident with the copilot mistakenly pulling back. Heck of a video though, really did look like a cartwheel. The g-force must have been tremendous.

 

[blackcat20]

Also just goes to show what a beast of a aircraft the 777 is. Both crashes had substantial impacts but managed to pull through with the majority of the aircraft body still intact and saving many lives of the passengers inside.

My mum is a little twitchy about flying on a 777 and I said exactly that to her last night. Especially true after seeing the video.

 

[joyvee]

Interesting graphs comparing height of descent of various Asiana flights in recent days. FYI
Look at the flight path of Asiana 214 before it crashed in San Francisco yesterday – Quartz

JoyV

 

[lovestotravel]

Poor piloting from the modern day pilot who has forgotten the art of flying without full computer guidance

 

[Boris spatsky]

Poor piloting from the modern day pilot who has forgotten the art of flying without full computer guidance

Wow, that is some serious speculation without all the facts...

 

[Skyring]

Also just goes to show what a beast of a aircraft the 777 is. Both crashes had substantial impacts but managed to pull through with the majority of the aircraft body still intact and saving many lives of the passengers inside.

It's an ugly plane, but remarkably safe. Been in commercial service for nearly twenty years and only two passengers killed. Two fatalities and three hull-loss accidents out of over a thousand airframes. I don't think any other type comes close. The A340, with only a third as many airframes, has five hull-losses.

 

[oz_mark]

The A340, with only a third as many airframes, has five hull-losses.

Yes, but not all of these occurred in operational service (one during ground test, one during a hangar fire, one from a terrorist bomb)

 

[markis10]

The PIC was in training:

He has a lot of experience and previously flown to San Francisco on different planes including the B747... and he was assisted by another pilot who has more experience with the 777," the spokeswoman said.
Lee, who started his career at Asiana as an intern in 1994, has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet.
Co-pilot Lee Jeong-min, who has 3,220 hours of flying experience with the Boeing 777 and a total of 12,387 hours of flying experience, was helping Lee Kang-kook in the landing, the spokeswoman said.

Asiana says pilot of crashed plane was in training | Reuters

 

[Skyring]

Yes, but not all of these occurred in operational service (one during ground test, one during a hangar fire, one from a terrorist bomb)

Yeah. Likewise for the B777. This is really only the second operational loss for the type, against three for the A340 with only a third as many airframes and a longer service period.

These are both extremely safe aircraft.

 

[drron]

My feeling is it will probably come down to the combination of a few factors.The glide path equipment at SFO is down for maintenance,pilot error does seem to be part of it and quite possibly other factors may be uncovered by the investigators.
All of which is no help to those who died or were injured.Several of the reports indicated some with fractured spines and being paralysed.Hopefully that is not so.

 

[mannej]

Yeah. Likewise for the B777. This is really only the second operational loss for the type, against three for the A340 with only a third as many airframes and a longer service period.

These are both extremely safe aircraft.

Their have been 3 x 777 hull losses. Egypt Air lost one to a coughpit fire within the last year or so.

 

[VHOEJ]

If a pilot can't land an aircraft on perfectly clear day, that is a worry. Relying on the Nav Aids at the airport is a concern - it makes sense when the weather is difficult but on a clear day with minimal wind, it is a concern he was relying on these aids to land the aircraft.

 

[markis10]

If a pilot can't land an aircraft on perfectly clear day, that is a worry. Relying on the Nav Aids at the airport is a concern - it makes sense when the weather is difficult but on a clear day with minimal wind, it is a concern he was relying on these aids to land the aircraft.

Especially as the PAPI would have been operational AFAIK.

 

[lovestotravel]

Wow, that is some serious speculation without all the facts...

Well what do you suggest then ??

Consdering that pretty much everything points towards it..........

 

[Alanslegal]

Sad incident indeed.

 

[Boris spatsky]

Well what do you suggest then ??

Consdering that pretty much everything points towards it..........

I don 't wish to speculate. Could have been a combination of factors. As a professional in the industry, i will wait until the NTSB report comes out.

 

[lovestotravel]

I don 't wish to speculate. Could have been a combination of factors. As a professional in the industry, i will wait until the NTSB report comes out.

LOL LOL

Well all factors are already pointing to a rookie pilot error