Anti semitism in Dubai

[Cabbage]

I'm not Jewish myself, but I find it incredibly disturbing that a supposedly modern, first world city like Dubai still bans Jews from entering their country. For this reason alone, I will never fly Qantas (or any other UAE carrier) through Dubai, as I would feel like I would be condoning such outdated, bigoted and offensive thinking.

Such practices may have had their place decades ago, but surely not in 2013?

Rant over...

 

[TheInsider]

Ohhh xx_, another one....

 

[codash1099]

Ohhh xx_, another one....

Another what? I know it may tire some of you who have never encountered any form of discrimination ( and I don't want to go down that path) but there seems to be a lack of tolerance for those who have objections on whatever grounds to travelling through any particular country or region. Stay silent if you must, but there is no call for the " Ohhh xx_" whenever those objections are expressed.

 

[mella2007]

As much as this is a frequent flyer forum, I honestly cannot believe some of the posts I'm reading today. It's their law, their culture. You either accept it or you fly another carrier. I don't hear complaining about the US, Asia, Russia and other countries that also have some ridiculous laws and views.

 

[medhead]

And the outdated, bigot, and offensive treatment of some sections of the population in Israel?

If anything the justification is actually the reverse, decades ago discrimination as you outline was not justified. Now decades later the ongoing inability of Israel to take actions that diffuse the situation make them more and more unsuitable to visit certain countries.

And don't misinterpret my position, both sides need to stop acting out of vengeance but that doesn't mean that both sides should not be punished via actions like banning them from countries such as the UAE.

 

[JohnK]

This is why our world is so screwed up now.

Discrimination, of any form, in Australia is not tolerated.

Discrimination outside of Australia is justified by the same people who do not tolerate discrimination in Australia.

Make sense?

 

[GCS]

Jews are not banned from Dubai or the rest of the UAE. Trying to enter with an Israeli passport is another matter.

 

[JohnPhelan]

I'm not Jewish myself, but I find it incredibly disturbing that a supposedly modern, first world city like Dubai still bans Jews from entering their country. ..

INCORRECT. This is typical of people spreading complete misinformation. "Jews" are NOT banned from entering the UAE. For a start, how would they even know some Australian/British/Jamaican/Rwandan guy is Jewish?? It is true that Israeli citizens are not allowed entry to the UAE. Ridiculous as that may be, it is quite different from saying "Jews" are banned. BTW, the majority of Jews in the world are not Israeli citizens and not travelling on Israeli passports.

 

[cove]

None of my Jewish friends will go on QF through Dubai. QF gave El Al a free kick when they partnered with Emirates.
i would not go through Dubai with a passport that had Tel Aviv stamped in it....I would get a new passport if that were the case.
Australia has several Australians languishing under house arrest in Dubai and our foreign minister has not been able to "fix" the problem. Rules in Dubai are their rules so acting in a lewd or drunken/drugged manner will be a problem.
Having sex in the back of a taxi has already proven to be a bit of a problem unless you like punishment.

 

[Conrad_S]

Reality check. Sex in the back of a taxi would probably attract sanctions in most countries.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

INCORRECT. This is typical of people spreading complete misinformation. "Jews" are NOT banned from entering the UAE. For a start, how would they even know some Australian/British/Jamaican/Rwandan guy is Jewish?? It is true that Israeli citizens are not allowed entry to the UAE. Ridiculous as that may be, it is quite different from saying "Jews" are banned. BTW, the majority of Jews in the world are not Israeli citizens and not travelling on Israeli passports.

thanks for posting the correct information.

This is why our world is so screwed up now.

Discrimination, of any form, in Australia is not tolerated.

Discrimination outside of Australia is justified by the same people who do not tolerate discrimination in Australia.

Make sense?

Discrimination is sanctioned by law Australia. Where to start? Exclusions from anti-discrimination legislation allow religious institutions, including schools receiving Federal funding, to discriminate based on sexual orientation, gender or belief. Immigration rules that allow you to bring in a married partner... with the exclusion that while Australia will recognise a straight marriage, it will not recognise a same-sex marriage.

 

[ChasingDaylight]

Thanks to John for posting the correct information in here to set the record straight, though I can't help but wonder if the OP posted misleading info to get people riled up in the first place.

 

[Pushka]

As others have pointed out, Israeli passports are not accepted. But people of Jewish faith are. Perhaps people might be surprised that its extremely difficult for people from many countries to obtain a visa to travel to Australia, even on holiday. I personally know of several Filipino women denied entry here simply because they were single, and female and from The Philippines.

 

[Simo]

Every country has there rules.

UAE have some which are a little more strict than Aust.

What about SIN laws.

 

[dfcatch]

Straitman..... What did TheInsider say before he was moderated?? Just curious


EDIT: No need - thanks for those who saw it..... I had actually thought the initial response was more "substantial" - but alas "xx_" seems to cover it

 

[serfty]

Reality check. Sex in the back of a taxi would probably attract sanctions in most countries.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but being 'caught' having [consensual] sex in the back of a taxi in Austrlaia would not normally result in remand, let alone a prison term!

 

[Pushka]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but being 'caught' having [consensual] sex in the back of a taxi in Austrlaia would not normally result in remand, let alone a prison term!

Actually, it could depending on circumstances. Certainly an arrest is possible but perhaps not a jail term, unless you count the watch house as one. Just referring back to my past life (and for the record I was NOT the offender.

 

[dfcatch]

On topic (although it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anti-semitism), but I know quite a few friends/colleagues/aquaintances who have indicated zero wish to fly on any sandbox airline.

That extends to now being unlikely to fly QF to LHR as they also are definitely not interested in flying through Dubai.

TBH - I'm one of them - which is why I've had no interest in flying VA to Europe.

Fact is - QF will lose a lot of existing business on this move.

They know that - they are employing some strategies to help overcome people's objections, but ultimately they have done the numbers and they have decided that they will gain more than they will lose in this arrangement.

And for the FF world that thinks EK is the best thing since night and day were invented - well they're all over the moon

 

[medhead]

This is why our world is so screwed up now.

Discrimination, of any form, in Australia is not tolerated.

Discrimination outside of Australia is justified by the same people who do not tolerate discrimination in Australia.

Make sense?

This is not discrimination. In the same way sanctions against other countries are not discrimination (Cuba for example). This is just a sanction against one country.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but being 'caught' having [consensual] sex in the back of a taxi in Austrlaia would not normally result in remand, let alone a prison term!

Agreed, based on my experience. But we have more liberal views on this sort of caper and most taxis drivers are happy as long as the meter is running.

 

[serfty]

Actually, it could depending on circumstances. Certainly an arrest is possible but perhaps not a jail term, unless you count the watch house as one. Just referring back to my past life (and for the record I was NOT the offender.

Certainly an arrest and some form of temporary confinement is possible for such in Australia, but that's not "prison", nor remand in the context of this discussion.

Note that I did qualify with "normally".

So to repeat (lest my comment be depreciate by a semantic side issue):

Originally Posted by serfty I don't have a dog in this fight, but being 'caught' having [consensual] sex in the back of a taxi in Australia would not normally result in remand, let alone a prison term!