Airport security confiscated an empty water bottle

[Beano]

Same difference, present a car, present you phone to a scanner. one less bit of paper for the environment! In NZ they just swipe your passport, no phone needed.

OOPS! *card

 

[Himeno]

Hopefully its all recycled in the end but in the scheme of things miniscule in terms of the paper waste that is generated - say on airplanes
i would hesitate to think what the $ spend would be if Customs/Quarantine embarked on an upgrade to their systems to digitalise the cards. I fear a repeat of the BOM.

The existing cards go to the ABS for data entry (this is where the inbound traveller data comes from) and the cards archived.

 

[Warks]

First time seeing this thread. I sometimes have a metal insulated water bottle which I take on planes so I have a bottle while travelling that stays cool - very handy in Europe with the fountains everywhere (not that kind of fountain). Wondering if they may see fit to take it, I'd have to protest, not that it would do me any good.
By rights you can take your water bottle on board with 99mL of water in it I assume, but I've never tested it.
I was worried enough about toothpaste when I found that the smallest tube in the shops here is 110g....

 

[Beano]

So which countries require some form of arrival documentation, paper or digital? Will the ETA/ESTA type forms do away with paper because those have to be completed on-line?

 

[Beano]

First time seeing this thread. I sometimes have a metal insulated water bottle which I take on planes so I have a bottle while travelling that stays cool - very handy in Europe with the fountains everywhere (not that kind of fountain). Wondering if they may see fit to take it, I'd have to protest, not that it would do me any good.
By rights you can take your water bottle on board with 99mL of water in it I assume, but I've never tested it.
I was worried enough about toothpaste when I found that the smallest tube in the shops here is 110g....

My experience is that no water at all is allowed in an empty bottle. At first they would even query small bottles full of liquid with no volume measure marked on it! (shop marked, not your vivid!)

 

[cwd]

First time seeing this thread. I sometimes have a metal insulated water bottle which I take on planes so I have a bottle while travelling that stays cool - very handy in Europe with the fountains everywhere (not that kind of fountain). Wondering if they may see fit to take it, I'd have to protest, not that it would do me any good.
By rights you can take your water bottle on board with 99mL of water in it I assume, but I've never tested it.
I was worried enough about toothpaste when I found that the smallest tube in the shops here is 110g....

It's the capacity of the bottle/tube that matters, so filling a 1L bottle with 99mL isn't allowed. But empty should be fine. 110g of toothpaste is probably less than 100mL, but it would be nice if it was marked. I've bought empty toothpaste tubes that do have the volume marked.

The one plastic bag thing is also a bit silly in practice, rarely does anyone check each passenger only puts a single bag through, and the person checking the scanner has no way to know. But it's all security theatre anyway so I guess no one's that fussed. Ironically the extra check for some Australian flights might actually uncover this, if it was actually thorough.

 

[Beano]

It's the capacity of the bottle/tube that matters, so filling a 1L bottle with 99mL isn't allowed. But empty should be fine. 110g of toothpaste is probably less than 100mL, but it would be nice if it was marked. I've bought empty toothpaste tubes that do have the volume marked.

The one plastic bag thing is also a bit silly in practice, rarely does anyone check each passenger only puts a single bag through, and the person checking the scanner has no way to know. But it's all security theatre anyway so I guess no one's that fussed. Ironically the extra check for some Australian flights might actually uncover this, if it was actually thorough.

It's 100 ml or 100g, so 110g doesn't work.

 

[dajop]

Swiping passport would be slower than handing over card - at the Green / red lines. It is already backed up in places like SYD airport. Also if the passenger is selected for inspection, the passenger would be moved to another section and passport scanned again.

Although you could probably configure it so that a customs lane as assigned when printing out the initial card at the passport scan machine before immigration. If the parameters determine you to be required to go for extra screening due to declaration or profiling, then you go straight there skipping the screening on exit. Then at the exit point of the "green" channel (for the want of a better term) it just allows you through a go through after facial recognition. I guess problematic though for children and those nationalities who need manual processing into the country. And would the investment be worth it?

 

[blackcat20]

First time seeing this thread. I sometimes have a metal insulated water bottle which I take on planes so I have a bottle while travelling that stays cool - very handy in Europe with the fountains everywhere (not that kind of fountain). Wondering if they may see fit to take it, I'd have to protest, not that it would do me any good.
By rights you can take your water bottle on board with 99mL of water in it I assume, but I've never tested it.
I was worried enough about toothpaste when I found that the smallest tube in the shops here is 110g....

Empty metal water bottles are fine.

 

[Quickstatus]

Then at the exit point of the "green" channel (for the want of a better term) it just allows you through a go through after facial recognition.

That's where it falls apart. Currently an agent takes the card at the start of the green /red lane gives the passenger the once over and depending on the vibe/the mark on the card by passport, and what's on the card, it's either green or red.

Easier with paper

Anyway it's about water bottles.

 

[Warks]

Empty metal water bottles are fine.

Yes I took mine to Italy this year on SIA via SIN and had no problems. Everyone lines up for the water fountains at the gates past those late security checks.

 

[MelbFlyer]

I think the last time I had additional screening at the gate prior to boarding, was leaving BKK back to MEL in 2022.

The only other occasion of screening at the gate was a short verbal interview leaving HKG to EWR in 2019.

Other than that, have never been checked again after already going through security once.

 

[Linda Pettersson]

The issue is not confiscating empty bottles. It's why the Federal Government wants a secondary screening at overseas departure points. Passengers have already gone through the major screening point to get into the departure area. The staff at the secondary screening point are probably mystifed as to why they're doing it, so think that its purpose is to confiscate empty bottles which are allowed through the major screening point. We don't have a satisfactory explanation from the Federal Government as to why Australia is so 'special' or 'threatened' that we need a secondary screening that no other country requires.

 

[NM]

The issue is not confiscating empty bottles. It's why the Federal Government wants a secondary screening at overseas departure points. Passengers have already gone through the major screening point to get into the departure area. The staff at the secondary screening point are probably mystifed as to why they're doing it, so think that its purpose is to confiscate empty bottles which are allowed through the major screening point. We don't have a satisfactory explanation from the Federal Government as to why Australia is so 'special' or 'threatened' that we need a secondary screening that no other country requires.

That is because (in my opinion) it has nothing to do with security or safety. It is about protecting the business opportunity of the Australian airport arrivals duty-free shops. The boarding liquids checks were put in place under the guise of security, but were really there to stop people buying their duty-free liquids (booze, perfume etc.) at an overseas airport on their way home to Australia, with the hope the passengers will spend their money upon arrival into Australia.

Of course we don't know what was part of the agreement with the overseas ports that "negotiated" with the Australian government to be exempt from the departure gate screening. But my view is that there was unlikely to be much regarding security involved in the negotiations and more around commercial agreements in place.

 

[Warks]

That is because (in my opinion) it has nothing to do with security or safety. It is about protecting the business opportunity of the Australian airport arrivals duty-free shops. The boarding liquids checks were put in place under the guise of security, but were really there to stop people buying their duty-free liquids (booze, perfume etc.) at an overseas airport on their way home to Australia, with the hope the passengers will spend their money upon arrival into Australia.

Of course we don't know what was part of the agreement with the overseas ports that "negotiated" with the Australian government to be exempt from the departure gate screening. But my view is that there was unlikely to be much regarding security involved in the negotiations and more around commercial agreements in place.

That sounds like something from https://www.reddit.com/r/LowStakesConspiracies/
(although perfectly feasible)