Air Asia drama ex-Per

[Aussie_flyer]

Yeah I am not understanding why they weren't headed to the nearest bit of suitable runway available.

I'm really going to avoid aax. Just too many incidents

 

[yohy?!]

Hoping it wasn't a cost saving measure to avoid landing at Learmonth

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Hoping it wasn't a cost saving measure to avoid landing at Learmonth

Cost is king...
https://youtu.be/lpD3OqJjTcY?t=3m35s

 

[exceladdict]

What possible repercussions could we see for AirAsia?

 

[moa999]

What possible repercussions could we see for AirAsia?

Not much until we get a report.
Plenty of incidents have no repercussions.

 

[jb747]

With that sort of shuddering was there any potential danger to the integrity of the aircraft? I guess I'm trying to understand why the aircraft didn't land sooner.

Possibly. Certainly to the pylon.

Not many choices, other than Learmonth. In many ways, not much different to the Singair 777 that didn't divert to Bangkok, and subsequently caught fire on landing at Singapore.

 

[Simo]

Looked not good for the paxs but they have 2 engines and I have been on a flight with one engine and we flew over a few airports to get to a base where QF had engineers to be able to get us back up and going sooner rather than later

 

[RooFlyer]

Not much until we get a report.
Plenty of incidents have no repercussions.

I don't think a case of "engine failure ... plane diverts and lands safely" attracts a ATSB investigation, does it? (genuine question).

If that is the case, can the ATSB take the initiative and think "hmmm .. that looks out of the ordinary, I think we'll investigate that ..."

 

[Quickstatus]

I think ATSB are investigating not diverting to LEA which was 25 min away at the time rather than PER 90 min away. One engine out on a 2 engine mandates landing at nearest suitable airport?.

In the case of SQ368 fire on return to SIN, here is the TSIB report. The agency agreed with the pilot's decision to return to SIN rather than divert to BKK (page 34):
https://www.mot.gov.sg/uploadedFile...V-SWB) Engine Fire 27 Jun 16 Final Report.pdf

 

[OzEire]

I don't think a case of "engine failure ... plane diverts and lands safely" attracts a ATSB investigation, does it? (genuine question).

If that is the case, can the ATSB take the initiative and think "hmmm .. that looks out of the ordinary, I think we'll investigate that ..."

Yes I think an air safety regulator would investigate any incident, however minor, that could affect safety. The outcome (eg. safe landing) may change the severity rating (?) of the report and perhaps the priority given.

Many good lessons are learned from such scenarios where there is no injury, even minor recommendations like "shouldn't have flown over suitable landing options" might help alter poor culture or improve training.

 

[basso]

Yeah I am not understanding why they weren't headed to the nearest bit of suitable runway available.

Define 'suitable'.

Would aircraft weight (need to burn off fuel), have come into the decision?

 

[basso]

Yes I think an air safety regulator would investigate any incident, however minor, that could affect safety. The outcome (eg. safe landing) may change the severity rating (?) of the report and perhaps the priority given.

Many good lessons are learned from such scenarios where there is no injury, even minor recommendations like "shouldn't have flown over suitable landing options" might help alter poor culture or improve training.

Err, CASA is the regulator, not the ATSB?

 

[Saab34]

The Captain asked passengers to pray and quoted something about everyone following rules which depends on our survival. Whilst utterly unprofessional in all aspects, I come to the conclusion that the Captain had grave concerns about the longevity of this aircraft continuing. There is a chance parts could have failed enroute to Perth causing a significant accident. This could have been avoided by diverting asap (MLW is usually required here)

Id like to see some action from our regulator in regards to this mob. Tiger's grounding was pale compared to the string of accidents here. Is this political? Don't want to upset the Malaysian Government?

I've been banging on about this mob for about 10 years, alarm bells are ringing louder than ever. It's time to cut their Australian license because Tony will never invest in flight training nor maintenance, the string of stuffups will roll on, people will die (again)

 

[Quickstatus]

Define 'suitable'.

Would aircraft weight (need to burn off fuel), have come into the decision?

Not imperative to have to land below max landing weight. Overweight landings are safe if properly done.
PIC will have to take several factors into account.
A pilot will be able to elucidate properly

 

[andyhui01]

Hoping it wasn't a cost saving measure to avoid landing at Learmonth

first thing that came into my mind.

 

[Flying Fox]

Angry passengers stranded after terrifying ordeal on AirAsia flight - 9news.com.au

"He (flight captain) said 'I hope you all say a prayer, I will be saying a prayer too and let's hope we all get back home safely'," she told reporters.

Assuming that the quote is accurate, I would think that this is very unprofessional and would scare everyone.

I would want my flight crew to be like that of QF32 who reassured the passengers etc.

 

[basso]

I think ATSB are investigating not diverting to LEA which was 25 min away at the time rather than PER 90 min away. One engine out on a 2 engine mandates landing at nearest suitable airport?.

The ATSB has requested information from the Flight Data Recorder.

Asking around a few people, it seems that some thought Learmonth could have been a poor choice on the weekend.....

 

[Quickstatus]

The ATSB has requested information from the Flight Data Recorder.

Asking around a few people, it seems that some thought Learmonth could have been a poor choice on the weekend.....

I suppose thats why an agency like ATSB is investigating... Lets see what it comes up with. Im sure the FDR and CVR and pilot interview will ascertain if there was a compelling reason to not go to LEA. Was PER an airport of convenience?

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Re diverts due to malfuntions:
I noted in Travel news this:http://www.australianfrequentflyer....egional-airline-strange-diversions-83532.html

Original route GVA-LHR. This was the divert (in this case both engines functional). The divert back all the way to ZRH occurred just when descent into LHR was about to commence!:


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Also on 02 Feb 2017 Swiss B777 LX40 diverted to an icy YFB above the arctic circle after engine issues. Original route ZRH-LAX. Contrast with AirAsia
http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stori...r_as_flight_makes_emergency_landing_in_iqalu/

 

[basso]

I suppose thats why an agency like ATSB is investigating... Lets see what it comes up with. Im sure the FDR and CVR and pilot interview will ascertain if there was a compelling reason to not go to LEA.

All I've come up with so far is that LEA may not have even be on their approved flight plan as a diversion airport.....

 

[Quickstatus]

All I've come up with so far is that LEA may not have even be on their approved flight plan as a diversion airport.....

I suspect that when you have to emergency land a suitable alternate does not need to be pre-approved. Any suitable will do. Factors may include:

Length of airport for overweight condition
Airport emergency facilities and instruments
Weather at alternate

As its an RAAF base with a 10000 feet runway and QF72 (psycho flight computer) landed there, I dare say its a suitable. But Im not a pilot.

Here is a video of the vibrations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvAl33YoDus

Here is the flightmap. LEA is just south of the Exmouth peninsula NE of the divert point