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Anyone have any thoughts on the cellardoor.co champagne

Marquis de la Mystèriale Champagne?​


I picked up a pack but generally enjoy billicart rose and NV on the odd occasion I'm drinking bubbles.

That was the discounted one being flogged? NV Maison de Grand Esprit Champagne Marquis de La Mysteriale, France, Champagne - CellarTracker seems to suggest the discounted price should be the standard price and nothing special. However, let us know what you think. That's the only opinion that counts (for you) :)
 

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Funny you should mention that, decided to pick up a bottle today, have you got some recommendations rosé wise? How do you find it compared to the Laurent Perrier? I've read great things about both, also keen to try the Piper Heidsieck Rosé I have, interesting tasting notes of strawberry and vanilla.
I'm not great at reviews but the BS rose is very balanced, great tart applr dry notes from the chardie, bit of sweet strawberry coming through from the noir and the biscuity/brioche from the meunier. Expensive but I think it's value. Haven't tried many others that were as memorable sorry.
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That was the discounted one being flogged? NV Maison de Grand Esprit Champagne Marquis de La Mysteriale, France, Champagne - CellarTracker seems to suggest the discounted price should be the standard price and nothing special. However, let us know what you think. That's the only opinion that counts (for you) :)
Yea I wonder if that's part of the reason they bumped up the price again so they can put it on 'sale' again. Reviews seem okay. If it's any like the jacquart from firstchoice I will be happy.
 

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Launch of Louis Roederer Collection 242 (Brut Premier's successor)
  • ADL Soirée: Thursday 12th August, 6-8pm @ Paloma - $165
free-flowing champagne, canapés and small plates​
  • PER Dinner: Thursday 19th August, 6.30-10.30pm @ Rockpool - $520 - 22 places
6 courses with 100ml:​
  • Louis Roederer Collection 242 (served on arrival and then with our first course)
  • Louis Roederer Vintage Blanc de Blancs 2013
  • Louis Roederer Vintage Brut 2013
  • Louis Roederer Vintage Rosé 2014
  • Louis Roederer Cristal 2013
  • Ratafia de Champagne Boll & Cie 1996

Collection 242 differs from Brut Premier in almost every way.
The Roederer team have been working with growers since 2012 to identify specific plots in vineyards to provide grapes for this wine – and each of those plots is now vinified separately. Previously, when it came time to blend Brut Premier each year, Lécaillon would start with the base wine from that season’s harvest, and then start adding reserve wines from previous years that had aged in oak.
Starting in 2012, he created a “perpetual blend”, or solera, by ageing wines from five vintages in a big vat. This then becomes the heart of the Collection blend each year, with Lécaillon adding wines from the best plots from the latest season (Collection 242 is based on the 2017 vintage). The champagne is then aged on lees for three years.
The goal is no longer to produce a consistent blend every year but to make a non-vintage wine that reflects vintage variation: to this end, the first Collection is called 242 because it’s the 242nd blend produced at Roederer since its foundation in 1776, and the next release will be Collection 243 and will be slightly different, and so on.
Louis Roederer Collection 242 [Champagne]
This is quite a departure in style from Brut Premier, but a deliciously welcome departure. Whereas Brut Premier was very much an “aperitif” champagne, this is a more complex, food-friendly wine: bold, nutty, mouth-filling, with generous ripe vinosity, deep flavours of bruised apple and oak, and hints of Vegemite. Bloody lovely. $85

242 stands for the 242nd blend made by the House which is based on harvest 2017. It comprises: 42% chardonnay, 36% pinot noir, 22% meunier. 12% reserve wine aged in oak from 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2011 and 2009. 34% perpetual reserve from 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012. 34% malolactic fermentation. Dosage is 8g/L.
The nose is pronounced; fronting with lemony freshness, creamy, then with sweet summer fruits and ginger spice. On the palate, it’s rich and succulent, loaded with mineral energy and malic tension, and drives some intense red and yellow fruits with just a little apple peel bitterness. It finishes in a crescendo of salty mineral verve and dry extract.

Louis Roederer Brut Premier:
  • Lehmann Jamesse Grand Champagne 41
  • Grassl Mineralité
  • Riedel Veritas Champagne
  • Plumm Three No. 2
  • Gabriel-Glas
Grassl’s Mineralité took out top honours for its elegant look and lightweight feel in the hand but also when applied to the mouth. Whereas the Lehmann Jamesse Grand 41 was most impressive overall for appearance (bead) and aroma. Wild card, Gabriel-Glas, closely followed.


 

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@ BoozeBud after 30%/$30 Cashrewards - STAYSAFE for free delivery with $70 spend excludes champagne, so add $2.97 cider to order :)
  • Laurent Perrier 2008 Millesime Brut + cider = $87.96
  • Charles Heidsieck Brut Reserve + cider = $65.04
 
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The greatest achievement in the history of wine marketing and the biggest blunder may be one and the same: Casting Champagne as the singular wine of celebration.
Although the Special Occasion Syndrome is understandable, the result of it is madness: Those of us who love wine and prioritize it in our household budget don’t drink anywhere near as much Champagne as we should, or as often as we should, or on less-than-special occasions…as indeed we should.
aside: the Olympics are now coming to Brisbane in 2032 :)
 

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The greatest achievement in the history of wine marketing and the biggest blunder may be one and the same: Casting Champagne as the singular wine of celebration.
Although the Special Occasion Syndrome is understandable, the result of it is madness: Those of us who love wine and prioritize it in our household budget don’t drink anywhere near as much Champagne as we should, or as often as we should, or on less-than-special occasions…as indeed we should.
aside: the Olympics are now coming to Brisbane in 2032 :)
All I could say in response to that statement about household consumption, is that Franz should speak for himself and his household. :) 🍾
 

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All I could say in response to that statement about household consumption, is that Franz should speak for himself and his household. :) 🍾
"Too much of anything is bad, but too much Champagne is just right."

- Mark Twain

“I only drink champagne when I’m happy, and when I’m sad. Sometimes I drink it when I’m alone. When I have company, I consider it obligatory. I trifle with it if I am not hungry and drink it when I am. Otherwise I never touch it—unless I’m thirsty.”

–Lily Bollinger, former manager of the Bollinger Champagne house
 

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"Too much of anything is bad, but too much Champagne is just right."

- Mark Twain

“I only drink champagne when I’m happy, and when I’m sad. Sometimes I drink it when I’m alone. When I have company, I consider it obligatory. I trifle with it if I am not hungry and drink it when I am. Otherwise I never touch it—unless I’m thirsty.”

–Lily Bollinger, former manager of the Bollinger Champagne house
And one more.

Winston Churchill on Pol Roger:

"In victory I deserve it, in defeat I need it. "
 

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Launch of Louis Roederer Collection 242 (Brut Premier's successor)

Collection 242 differs from Brut Premier in almost every way.
The Roederer team have been working with growers since 2012 to identify specific plots in vineyards to provide grapes for this wine – and each of those plots is now vinified separately. Previously, when it came time to blend Brut Premier each year, Lécaillon would start with the base wine from that season’s harvest, and then start adding reserve wines from previous years that had aged in oak.
Starting in 2012, he created a “perpetual blend”, or solera, by ageing wines from five vintages in a big vat. This then becomes the heart of the Collection blend each year, with Lécaillon adding wines from the best plots from the latest season (Collection 242 is based on the 2017 vintage). The champagne is then aged on lees for three years.
The goal is no longer to produce a consistent blend every year but to make a non-vintage wine that reflects vintage variation: to this end, the first Collection is called 242 because it’s the 242nd blend produced at Roederer since its foundation in 1776, and the next release will be Collection 243 and will be slightly different, and so on.
Louis Roederer Collection 242 [Champagne]
This is quite a departure in style from Brut Premier, but a deliciously welcome departure. Whereas Brut Premier was very much an “aperitif” champagne, this is a more complex, food-friendly wine: bold, nutty, mouth-filling, with generous ripe vinosity, deep flavours of bruised apple and oak, and hints of Vegemite. Bloody lovely. $85

242 stands for the 242nd blend made by the House which is based on harvest 2017. It comprises: 42% chardonnay, 36% pinot noir, 22% meunier. 12% reserve wine aged in oak from 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2011 and 2009. 34% perpetual reserve from 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012. 34% malolactic fermentation. Dosage is 8g/L.
The nose is pronounced; fronting with lemony freshness, creamy, then with sweet summer fruits and ginger spice. On the palate, it’s rich and succulent, loaded with mineral energy and malic tension, and drives some intense red and yellow fruits with just a little apple peel bitterness. It finishes in a crescendo of salty mineral verve and dry extract.
 

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Interesting to hear about the 242, hopefully I like it as the Louis Roederer NV has become my favourite more special champagne. Essentially they're going to have some variation with their NV and will be identifying it by the collection (blend)? Not sure I like the sound of it or not given NV I'd usually expect to be a rather consistent taste whereas vintage has the main variations.
 

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Interesting to hear about the 242, hopefully I like it as the Louis Roederer NV has become my favourite more special champagne. Essentially they're going to have some variation with their NV and will be identifying it by the collection (blend)? Not sure I like the sound of it or not given NV I'd usually expect to be a rather consistent taste whereas vintage has the main variations.
  • multi-vintage/reserves: Krug, Charles Heidsieck
  • dominant-vintage/reserves: Jacquesson, Roederer Collection, Bollinger PN
  • triple-vintage: Grand Siècle, Lanson Extra Age
Krug is meant to be the same each batch via multi-vintage reserves, Jacquesson less so due to dominant single vintage component, Grand Siècle has no reserve component

 

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If you insist on buying solely Champagnes from RMs, then there are some serious ‘grower Champagnes’ that you will miss out on: Bereche, Pierre Paillard, Emmanuel Brochet, Jacques Lassaigne, Pierre Péters, Jerome Prevot, Savart, Vilmart and Vouette et Sorbée are all NMs now. And if you look at Louis Roederer, all their vintage wines come from their 240 hectares of vines. If they didn’t make their NV, then they’d be the largest of the RMs.
But dosage, says Peter, has a function that is very much like salt in food. ‘We don’t add to salt to make a dish salty – it has an ability to enhance and amplify the flavours that are there. Even the best produce can taste bland without it.’ He says that dosage does the same – there is no ideal level, because every wine is different. ‘There are some Champagnes that don’t need sugar, but these are very rare.’
There’s also a misconception that a high dosage helps a Champagne age. Dosage can certainly help a wine to age, but it isn’t needed.

 

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