AA383 ORD-MIA on fire

[Hvr]

According to the Federal Aviation Administration American Airlines Flight 383 departed from O'Hare and was headed to Miami when it blew a tire. The pilots aborted the takeoff and passengers deplaned via a chute.


American Airlines said the plane experienced an engine malfunction, however.
No injuries were immediately reported but smoke and fire could be seen at the airport just after 2:30 p.m. There were 161 passengers and nine crew member on the plane, the airlines said.

Source: Incident Involving American Airlines Plane Prompts Major Response at O'Hare Airport in Chicago: Officials | NBC Chicago Incident Involving American Airlines Plane Prompts Major Response at O'Hare Airport in Chicago: Officials | NBC Chicago
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Good to see that all ok. ORD will be a mess today.

 

[Captain Halliday]

As a public service, I'm going to save us all some time in this thread:

AFFer1: "I can see people in that video going down the slides with their hand luggage. It's so dangerous."
AFFer2: "Yeah why don't people listen to the safety briefing and follow the rules."
AFFer1: "People could have died."
AFFer3: "People react differently in stressful situations. You weren't there. How do you know what they were feeling. <insert psychology reference."
AFFer1: "But I just said people could have died, and there's rules. I'm right, you're wrong, why won't you just agree with me. Oh and they should be fined or have their luggage confiscated so they learn to live in my world where everything is black and white."
AFFer4: "+1"
AFFer3: "When you've been on a burning plane and get off without your hand luggage then you can judge."
Mod: "Play nice people."

Great. I'm glad we got that sorted. Have a nice weekend all.

 

[puppysparkes]

As a public service, I'm going to save us all some time in this thread:

AFFer1: "I can see people in that video going down the slides with their hand luggage. It's so dangerous."
AFFer2: "Yeah why don't people listen to the safety briefing and follow the rules."
AFFer1: "People could have died."
AFFer3: "People react differently in stressful situations. You weren't there. How do you know what they were feeling. <insert psychology reference."
AFFer1: "But I just said people could have died, and there's rules. I'm right, you're wrong, why won't you just agree with me. Oh and they should be fined or have their luggage confiscated so they learn to live in my world where everything is black and white."
AFFer4: "+1"
AFFer3: "When you've been on a burning plane and get off without your hand luggage then you can judge."
Mod: "Play nice people."

Great. I'm glad we got that sorted. Have a nice weekend all.

*slow clap* Absolutely nailed it. Close thread?

 

[Denali]

Hand luggage to follow discussion aside.

Just saw some footage and my first thought about those standing around, taking photos and tweeting is to get away from the giant metal tube full of combustible fuel thats on fire.

 

[Gold60]

BRILLIANCE. Sheer Brilliance.......

As a public service, I'm going to save us all some time in this thread:

AFFer1: "I can see people in that video going down the slides with their hand luggage. It's so dangerous."
AFFer2: "Yeah why don't people listen to the safety briefing and follow the rules."
AFFer1: "People could have died."
AFFer3: "People react differently in stressful situations. You weren't there. How do you know what they were feeling. <insert psychology reference."
AFFer1: "But I just said people could have died, and there's rules. I'm right, you're wrong, why won't you just agree with me. Oh and they should be fined or have their luggage confiscated so they learn to live in my world where everything is black and white."
AFFer4: "+1"
AFFer3: "When you've been on a burning plane and get off without your hand luggage then you can judge."
Mod: "Play nice people."

Great. I'm glad we got that sorted. Have a nice weekend all.

 

[blackcat20]

Hand luggage to follow discussion aside.

Just saw some footage and my first thought about those standing around, taking photos and tweeting is to get away from the giant metal tube full of combustible fuel thats on fire.

Or the bloke filming inside the plane and the poor woman behind him with a 'get the hell out of my way' look on her face...

 

[samh004]

Hand luggage to follow discussion aside.

Just saw some footage and my first thought about those standing around, taking photos and tweeting is to get away from the giant metal tube full of combustible fuel thats on fire.

Or the bloke filming inside the plane and the poor woman behind him with a 'get the hell out of my way' look on her face...

I'm sure this is the next debate now that we've all got past the hand luggage debate, but in this ever increasing media world, people record moments of their lives. I would agree if you're in the way, you're a fool, but if you happen to be recording as you follow the next person in line down the aisle and out the door, you're perhaps doing a public service, as all that footage can be useful for the investigation in the end.

I see no issue with recording it, unless you're doing so in a way that's lead to others getting hurt.

Imagine if you will the person at the back of the plane recording their takeoff out the window with hyperlapse (slow motion/fast motion video app) and has managed to capture the moment the tyre blew, where the fragments flew, how the fire started. Suddenly that piece of video is incredibly useful to investigations. Perhaps they continue recording onboard and catch audio or video of incorrect crew instructions, or some idiot grabbing his backpack from an overhead bin that delays 5 people getting out the door... suddenly that video is evidence.

So to have the frame of mind to calmly capture the scene as you make your way outside the plane is really useful... provided you're not endangering anyone else on the plane by doing so. There's always armchair experts suggesting that's what is happening.

 

[puppysparkes]

Staying with the theme of exploding planes here's another that occurred today http://abc7news.com/news/fedex-plane-explodes-at-fort-lauderdale-airport/1578354/

https://instagram.com/p/BMH8xXWFcG7/

 

[Denali]

I have no problems with taking photos or footage but get away from danger would be my first priority. Heck, start the camera and face it over your shoulder as you are running away.

The plane was on fire, thats screams get away from it to me. Once youre away from it, then use the zoom feature and take photos/video, dont stand close to the plane thats on fire.

 

[Quickstatus]

Other reports suggest an Uncontained engine failure resulting in a Rejected takeoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP1R8icwhl4

 

[RooFlyer]

As a public service, I'm going to save us all some time in this thread:

AFFer1: "I can see people in that video going down the slides with their hand luggage. It's so dangerous."
<snip>

Great. I'm glad we got that sorted. Have a nice weekend all.

Nice try.

I would hope anyone who can be identified having taken hand luggage out during an evacuation should be pursued, prosecuted if possible and banned from flying by any airlines with the intestinal fortitude to do it.

I'm fed up with people dis-obeying crew member instructions and more particularly the flight crew / airlines simply doing nothing about it, either at the time or in follow-up. I reckon its only a matter of time before we see the Air Crash Investigation episode that concludes ...

"This tragic accident and fatalities was a result of a sequence of events which began with passengers not knowing or understanding emergency procedures and the airlines not enforcing the simple things, which led to passengers ignoring the emergency evacuation instructions, leading to blocked aisles and the piles of bodies around the emergency exits."

In two consecutive Virgin flights recently, passengers sitting directly in front of the flight attendant, in their plain view, were texting and tweeting (with sound effects) during the safety demo, well after the instruction to turn phones into flight mode. The FA did nothing at all, until I pulled a face and pointed directly to the offenders. No, I don't believe transmitting phones will bring down an airliner, but its these texting and tweeting morons who will get others killed in an emergency when they think they don't have to obey anything the FAs tell them and/or don't know what to do. And who the hell are these flight attendants to decide what safety instructions should be obeyed/enforced and which aren't?

Sorry, Captain Halliday, like the in-flight safety demo, I don't think we can have enough of these discussions.

 

[Quickstatus]

Airlines will tout the mantra "we take the safety of passengers very seriously" when the plane lands safely and the outcome is good. When the outcome is not so good, this same mantra is silenced.

 

[PLANT]

Look I just hope they get it in 4k for their you tube hits .... Bugger the fact that if the thing erupted they were goners!....Im sure the camera and SD card would be fine and that's the important thing right?

 

[RooFlyer]

Look I just hope they get it in 4k for their you tube hits .... Bugger the fact that if the thing erupted they were goners!....Im sure the camera and SD card would be fine and that's the important thing right?

Potential candidates for the Darwin Awards.

 

[Captain Halliday]

Nice try.

I would hope anyone who can be identified having taken hand luggage out during an evacuation should be pursued, prosecuted if possible and banned from flying by any airlines with the intestinal fortitude to do it.
<snip>

Sorry, Captain Halliday, like the in-flight safety demo, I don't think we can have enough of these discussions.

It was worth a shot Roo Flyer.

And of course I respect both your opinion, and your right to express it.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I would hope anyone who can be identified having taken hand luggage out during an evacuation should be pursued, prosecuted if possible and banned from flying by any airlines with the intestinal fortitude to do it.

Unless you are a trained professional, I don't believe behaviour in an emergency situation should be subject to automatic criminal charges as you propose. It seems fairly obvious that a range of factors come in to play that mean some folks just don't think rationally.

Learn from the situation, yes. Introduce methods to effect behavioural change. But I'm not convinced criminal charges or fines are the answer, or whether they will be effective.

As a passenger, if human behaviour concerns you, you should take all reasonable methods to protect yourself, including emergency exit rows. That way no one will be in your path.

 

[jb747]

Interestingly, the discussion on prune has turned to the question of who ordered the evacuation. It seems the it might have been done by the cabin crew, as apparently it was started before the other engine was shut down. That's a major screw up.....if true.

 

[Flying Fox]

Interestingly, the discussion on prune has turned to the question of who ordered the evacuation. It seems the it might have been done by the cabin crew, as apparently it was started before the other engine was shut down. That's a major screw up.....if true.

What is the correct procedure in this case (I'm making the assumption that the cabin crew spotted the fire first)?

 

[Himeno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3hgWfc0W4Q
ATC recordings.

 

[jb747]

Nicely put together. Worth noting that the comment about evacuation from the aircraft does not mean that it has already been initiated by the pilots. There will be a period of about 30 seconds or so required to complete the checklist...and that will ensure that the other engine(s) are shut down before the evacuation is ordered.

A couple of pilots on the radio needed a bit of a bash about the head too. The bloke who said he saw it, but then had nothing to add to the picture was a classic. ATC was well handled, as has been apparent on all of the tapes I've heard recently.