A second airport for Sydney?

[Homer]

After "40 years of bungling and obfuscation by government", the issue of Sydney's airports - or lack of them - is destined to become one of Australia's hottest political potatoes within six months, according to Peter Harbison, of Sydney's respected airline consultancy, the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation.

A second airport for Sydney? - News - Travel - smh.com.au

 

[straitman]

After "40 years of bungling and obfuscation by government", the issue of Sydney's airports - or lack of them - is destined to become one of Australia's hottest political potatoes within six months, according to Peter Harbison, of Sydney's respected airline consultancy, the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation.

A second airport for Sydney? - News - Travel - smh.com.au

Here we go again, again, again etc :!:

 

[Evan]

And the possible second airport locations are all taken with houses ! unlike 15 years ago when they almost did it. The nearest location for a second airport may as well be newcastle, atleast there is a train from there to sydney

E

 

[N860CR]

I think the only way they'll be able to get a second airport in is by putting it a fair way away from Sydney and having a high-speed rail link into the city. It works in KL, no reason why it can't here.

 

[wallacej]

And why on earth did they decide to give Melbourne a second airport, and so close to the existing one.....one out in the Eastern suburbs would have been so much better... takes me longer to drive to the airport than it does to get to Sydney, and on somedays it is quicker to fly to BNE than drive home.

I hope Syd give it better thought.... however the current airport is so close to the CBD and has good public transport service... I agree... Newcastle is the better option.. SYD can handle plenty more traffic

 

[Dee Thom]

Move the R.A.A.F. transport Sqn's to Amberly, Townsville, Darwin etc., and this would free up Richmond A/Force Base. There are rail links handy, and miles of room for runway extensions,plus it's close to the "Action"
Cheers, Dee Thom :idea:

 

[codash1099]

Move the R.A.A.F. transport Sqn's to Amberly, Townsville, Darwin etc., and this would free up Richmond A/Force Base. There are rail links handy, and miles of room for runway extensions,plus it's close to the "Action"
Cheers, Dee Thom :idea:

Logic will get us nowhere in this argument

 

[straitman]

Move the R.A.A.F. transport Sqn's to Amberly, Townsville, Darwin etc., and this would free up Richmond A/Force Base. There are rail links handy, and miles of room for runway extensions,plus it's close to the "Action"
Cheers, Dee Thom :idea:

Dee Thom,

Are you really sure about the runway extensions. The RAAF have wanted to do so for years and have not been able. It certainly isn't wide enough or long enough as is, at 2134M or approx 7000ft and 45M or approx 150ft wide.

ps spelling is Amberley :!:

 

[simongr]

Queue more money spent on lawyers, advertising, consultants and studies - all the while nothing will be done or decided. Now if only they could reclaim some land from Botany bay and chuck some more runways in there - maybe even build a bridge to the Desalination plant

 

[littl_flier]

I think the only way they'll be able to get a second airport in is by putting it a fair way away from Sydney and having a high-speed rail link into the city. It works in KL, no reason why it can't here.

Agree completely, in any city that wants to develop and be cutting edge in the 21st century, a high speed train link is essential. Imagine getting on at Central Station and being at the airport in 7 minutes. And as traffic becomes more of the issue in 10/15/20 years, it's going to be a huge help.

 

[NYCguy]

I'm quite happy with the airport being where it is. My Sydney home is in the Eastern suburbs, which makes it a convenient distance away, yet any aircraft that fly over are high enough that the noise burden isn't too great.

Let's face it - the majority of people who use SYD live in the Eastern suburbs or on the North Shore. Or they visit offices in the CBD. To move the airport out to Richmond would be most inconvenient for me and, I daresay, many other frequent visitors to the facility. I don't care how fast the train is - by the time I drive from my home to Central station to catch the train to Richmond, I would already have arrived at the current airport facility.

Besides, it's unlikely that any other airport will ever get a look-in in the Sydney Basin. The NIMBY brigade will see to that, and don't hold your breath waiting for any Federal Govt to proclaim that they are going to build a new airport on whatever site by whatever date, and to hell with the political consequences. Despite their noisy protestations to the contrary, politicians have no interest in anything except being re-elected at the next ballot! It's quite sad, really...

Of course, having given it some more thought, there is one other option to get me to a new airport at Richmond in good time - get a helipad installed in the back yard! I can imagine my neighbors being thrilled with that one.

 

[coco50]

Move the R.A.A.F. transport Sqn's to Amberly, Townsville, Darwin etc., and this would free up Richmond A/Force Base. There are rail links handy, and miles of room for runway extensions,plus it's close to the "Action"
Cheers, Dee Thom :idea:

Plenty of fogs out round Richmond

 

[NYCguy]

Plenty of fogs out round Richmond

Yup, would have to be CAT III autoland capable, for sure!

 

[NM]

Yup, would have to be CAT III autoland capable, for sure!

No other airports in Aus are so equipped, so why a new SYD/2 airport?

 

[Evan]

No other airports in Aus are so equipped, so why a new SYD/2 airport?

It would be still nice if airports could be upgraded to this standard the current ones and future ones but i understand structures near the current airports make this difficult so i don't think we will see any cat III airports soon if ever in AU.

E

 

[NM]

It would be still nice if airports could be upgraded to this standard the current ones and future ones but i understand structures near the current airports make this difficult so i don't think we will see any cat III airports soon if ever in AU.

E

And there are lots of other costs involved with maintaining the certification (for both airport and airline) and of course those costs will be reflected directly back to the passengers through fares and +++ charges.

It seems that for now the costs involved outweigh the benefits on the limited number of days that are affected by poor visibility.

 

[Evan]

And there are lots of other costs involved with maintaining the certification (for both airport and airline) and of course those costs will be reflected directly back to the passengers through fares and +++ charges.

It seems that for now the costs involved outweigh the benefits on the limited number of days that are affected by poor visibility.

And i am sure the airlines keep an eye on the costs and that is when the decision will be made, i am sure for no other reason but a cost saving if the airport is cat III.

 

[NM]

And i am sure the airlines keep an eye on the costs and that is when the decision will be made, i am sure for no other reason but a cost saving if the airport is cat III.

Of course you do realise that under zero visibility, only one aircraft can land under CAT III conditions, following which the airport will be closed due to an obstruction on the runway. Under such conditions the landed aircraft would not be able to taxi off the runway to clear it for another aircraft to land.

 

[Evan]

No i was not aware of that, i assume they drove a tug out to meet the plane and tow it in... well thats one really good reason not to bother with such a certification.

E

 

[NM]

No i was not aware of that, i assume they drove a tug out to meet the plane and tow it in... well thats one really good reason not to bother with such a certification.

E

In true zero visibility even the tug driver would not be able to see.

The up-side is that visibility so low that the aircraft cannot taxi under the guidance of an escort vehicle is really rare, so not likely to ever cause a problem at Aussie airports.