27th February Big Qantas announcement

[Intra]

If QF did become purely a Full service Domestic carrier, and a Low Cost International carrier, it may not necessarily be a bad thing to ensure the survival of QF (and no doubt make shareholders happy). Perhaps they're going to sell their International operations to EK ?

And start there own virtual network like VA Int.? Rely also on the OW network.... Could work.... Maybe....

 

[eastwest101]

.. they have fantastic lounges and I imagine their experience of flying QF would be nothing short of spectacular each and every time. what they see is an outstanding airline, with outstanding service, doing it's best, but still failing. they probably think it's worth putting some money into it.

but that's not really what we experience is it? some examples:

- checkin staff telling you to collect bags in sydney even on a same ticket
- running out of food and beverages
- cafe breakfasts
- glacial service times for international meals
- aging aircraft
- outdated product
- an expensive frequent flyer scheme that potentially gives you a '50% off' rather than being free
- inconsistent crews that can make flying qantas a less than pleasurable experience
- call centers that refuse to waive fees and charges for transactions that can't be competed on line
- bookings that can't be made for certain overseas origins (china, Thailand etc)
- a customer charter that leaves passengers worse off than flying their competitors
- call centre staff indicating they know better than we do, even when they're wrong

That point is very well made, there is a massive disconnect between what our federal politicians see when flying QF, and what everyone else does.

The politicians do not see any of the problems that you highlight from the Chairmans Lounge - and I think the point worth making is that the politicians whom see a well run but struggling airline are not paying for their airfares themselves, i.e. "its someone else's/taxpayers money".

Whereas most of us here are either paying for our flights with our own money, or maybe with company money, and possibly care a little about getting some value for money, and as we shop around and compare the prices and service that QF offer compared with their competitors - we may notice some of these things a bit more.

 

[smit0847]

I know you can watch the announcement live on Foxtel but is there anyway you can listen to it live remotely? (i.e. smart phone?) I would be very keen.

 

[Danger]

From the parliamentary archives.

I came across these old Qantas related documents today. I thought the bullet points on page one of Dixon's letter, as well as the share price offer, were particularly interesting.

imgur: the simple image sharer
(Don't mind the underlying; it was made by someone else.)

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[zachary.august]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only fair and ultimately 'good' course of action for Qantas involves union-busting and/or nationalisation. Australia being so far from our allies CANNOT be without a national airline that is, preferably legally, at least morally tied to our country. I would want to see JQ Asia cut adrift and I would want employees to be forced to take a pay cut and the airline renationalised along the lines of Air NZ.

 

[Clivem]

Not a good sign ....... just heard a page has gone out at TBIT for a 'Mr Bingham' traveling to Sydney on Qantas flight number ........

 

[Alanslegal]

The popular theory that it's the Unions fault and by cutting jobs and forcing the remaining employees to accept a paycut will allow QF to survive is a fallacy because 1. foreign employees are paid much much less for much worse off conditions 2. many international airlines are state backed and can support their costs 3. LCC is the way to go because a majority want BFOD no matter who is flying, well maybe except Lion Air and 4. Australia has one of the highest cost for any business, no matter which industry.

I still stand by my very unpopular opinion, that QFi should just shut shop. Let JQi cannonbalise the QFi passengers Those who don't like JQi, well can still fly on on a QF codeshare EK or whatever operated airline. Sell A380's to JQi, JQi to expand on more routes using Asian based crew whose wages are roughly AU$15,000 p.a. Keep QFd operations going where they still seem to do OK, keep QFFP as well however devalue points immediately by 20%. After devaluation 99% of those members will still remain active frequent flyer members, and those 1% [namely frequent flyer enthusiasts such as those found here on AFF] will jump ship to AA and what not. Those 1% are probably redeeming for those P, U long haul seats anyway so best to get rid of those members who are actually make the most of their points.

 

[Happy Trails]

....Let JQi cannonbalise the QFi passengers...

Pax would go ballistic at that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

$15k pa? which asian carriers? not sq, or cx, or Jl, or nh

 

[chonetsao.co.uk]

The problems of Qantas can't be solved without a drastic change in top level. Qantas has been cut back so much that there is no need to have a big head quater any more. They should sell mascot headquarters and rent a small house in Wollongong to handle the ever shrinking business. The management is useless and all should be fired and let AJ to be the sole director to dictate any corporate decisions. Buying new aircrafts and installing new seats are too costly AJ may have a look at the concept of Mercedes luxury coach that comes with fully flat beds to run between major Australian cities. Captains are too costly so AJ should fire them all and employee bus drivers to handle his new fleet of Mercedes coaches. Airport lounges? AJ may just change the business and open Starbucks instead.

In the end business is about innovation and makinf money. Above measures will certainly make money cutting the cost and being innovative: imagine the thrill of arriving by a fully flat bed Mercedes coach with aircondition instead of an old and outdated slop slide seats on ex jetstar A332 that nothing works?

 

[codash1099]

The popular theory that it's the Unions fault and by cutting jobs and forcing the remaining employees to accept a paycut will allow QF to survive is a fallacy because 1. foreign employees are paid much much less for much worse off conditions 2. many international airlines are state backed and can support their costs 3. LCC is the way to go because a majority want BFOD no matter who is flying, well maybe except Lion Air and 4. Australia has one of the highest cost for any business, no matter which industry.

I still stand by my very unpopular opinion, that QFi should just shut shop. Let JQi cannonbalise the QFi passengers Those who don't like JQi, well can still fly on on a QF codeshare EK or whatever operated airline. Sell A380's to JQi, JQi to expand on more routes using Asian based crew whose wages are roughly AU$15,000 p.a. Keep QFd operations going where they still seem to do OK, keep QFFP as well however devalue points immediately by 20%. After devaluation 99% of those members will still remain active frequent flyer members, and those 1% [namely frequent flyer enthusiasts such as those found here on AFF] will jump ship to AA and what not. Those 1% are probably redeeming for those P, U long haul seats anyway so best to get rid of those members who are actually make the most of their points.

You might get away with JQ taking over the QFi services IF you used it mainly as a means to take advantage of J*'s lower cost structure. In other words, create a sort of J*i mainline airline with features similar to QFi, fold it into Oneworld, and I might give it a go.

 

[VHOEJ]

Joyce, the board and a lot of managers should be the first to go - if they don't, it will be a joke.

 

[Jousams]

Just reading news.com.au story on Thursdays announcement and this add comes up.

Lol

 

[Isochronous]

The popular theory that it's the Unions fault and by cutting jobs and forcing the remaining employees to accept a paycut will allow QF to survive is a fallacy because 1. foreign employees are paid much much less for much worse off conditions 2. many international airlines are state backed and can support their costs 3. LCC is the way to go because a majority want BFOD no matter who is flying, well maybe except Lion Air and 4. Australia has one of the highest cost for any business, no matter which industry.

I still stand by my very unpopular opinion, that QFi should just shut shop. Let JQi cannonbalise the QFi passengers Those who don't like JQi, well can still fly on on a QF codeshare EK or whatever operated airline. Sell A380's to JQi, JQi to expand on more routes using Asian based crew whose wages are roughly AU$15,000 p.a. Keep QFd operations going where they still seem to do OK, keep QFFP as well however devalue points immediately by 20%. After devaluation 99% of those members will still remain active frequent flyer members, and those 1% [namely frequent flyer enthusiasts such as those found here on AFF] will jump ship to AA and what not. Those 1% are probably redeeming for those P, U long haul seats anyway so best to get rid of those members who are actually make the most of their points.

Problem is, Jetstar and QF are not interchangeable. I don't fly LCCs and most professional/business types won't, nor anyone wanting a luxury holiday. I would just shift business to CX/BA/SQ/KE/JL/MH as the case may require.

 

[Pushka]

I find it curious when Businesses think that by closing down one part of their operations that customers will patronise a very different offering of the same company. Closing down Q will not ensure people patronise Jet* but rather they will move to a completely different airline.

 

[cmon0005]

I think a stiff drink or two are in order on thurs night...

 

[thommo50]

skilled enough to tolerate the ignorance of you and others out there... you wouldn't get through the first days training of the 'real role' of F/As ...and it doesn't involve 'licking your a**e'..it involves 'saving your a**e'...no point in going into detail with you...enough said

Wow another angry Trolley Dolly. Im sorry .......excuse me for the more sensitive people out there FA`s which is probably a more suitable term because the service you get on Qantas these days is sweet FA anyway. Its little wonder Qantas has such a negative reputation, compared to the service you get from Singapore Airlines and others. FA`s on those airlines work much harder and for much less pay.

I find it humorous that you are so offended about me voicing my opinion yet you have absolutely no compulsion in the personal attack against me. enough said lol

 

[gwilli1]

Just on coverage of Thursday's event , for those without Foxtel , i would say there is a good chance that ABC News 24 will have some form of live coverage on the announcement also. ( Hoping )

 

[Alanslegal]

$15k pa? which asian carriers? not sq, or cx, or Jl, or nh

Referring to JQi asian based cabin crew.

Problem is, Jetstar and QF are not interchangeable. I don't fly LCCs and most professional/business types won't, nor anyone wanting a luxury holiday. I would just shift business to CX/BA/SQ/KE/JL/MH as the case may require.

There will be people who decide not to fly JQ for whatever reasons, that is expected and understandable. Remember not so long ago a whole bunch of vocal but minority group of people refusing to fly QF to LON because they were now 'in bed' with EK and having to fly into DXB was like the world was going to end etc. Similarly, I agree QF and LCC is not interchangeable. Never have said they were. Just from what it appears, if QFi is 'that' unprofitable, it might have to end that QFi closes shop ..... and hopes JQi takes as many passengers with them.

 

[jetlagger]

The popular theory that it's the Unions fault and by cutting jobs and forcing the remaining employees to accept a paycut will allow QF to survive is a fallacy because 1. foreign employees are paid much much less for much worse off conditions 2. many international airlines are state backed and can support their costs 3. LCC is the way to go because a majority want BFOD no matter who is flying, well maybe except Lion Air and 4. Australia has one of the highest cost for any business, no matter which industry.

I still stand by my very unpopular opinion, that QFi should just shut shop. Let JQi cannonbalise the QFi passengers Those who don't like JQi, well can still fly on on a QF codeshare EK or whatever operated airline. Sell A380's to JQi, JQi to expand on more routes using Asian based crew whose wages are roughly AU$15,000 p.a. Keep QFd operations going where they still seem to do OK, keep QFFP as well however devalue points immediately by 20%. After devaluation 99% of those members will still remain active frequent flyer members, and those 1% [namely frequent flyer enthusiasts such as those found here on AFF] will jump ship to AA and what not. Those 1% are probably redeeming for those P, U long haul seats anyway so best to get rid of those members who are actually make the most of their points.

Interesting points.
I am aware of pilots in Philippines with average monthly salaries of USD11-12k per month & flight attendants on 2.5K per month & that is on LCCs.
SQ flight crew -AFAIK - FAs are on in excess of 4k per month.