Using Lavatories in Flight not in your Cabin Class?

[marki]

When I am in business class I dont care who is using the business class lavatories as I am too busy enjoying the flight.

This is not true in my case. They would come up sit in a empty seat next to you because of turbulence, then a queue forms they stand around your seat looking at you, or leaning against your seat. Tell me you love / don't care about this while trying to enjoy your paid business seat.


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[Robbi]

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unfortunately i cringed while reading that as you could just feel the escalating tension. The passenger didn't behave like an angel, but the crew should be trained to diffuse that.

the bigger issue - and this is something i have reported on for a long time now - is the inconsistency of the crew. Some of them are real shockers. And an incident like that really does make you feel miserable and wonder why you chose to fly Qantas.

That the purser could not believe their crew was capable of such as thing is equally burying their head in the sand.

Sounds like we should all audio record our flights on our iPhones. I hate liars and people who lie for them.

 

[JohnK]

This is not true in my case. They would come up sit in a empty seat next to you because of turbulence, then a queue forms they stand around your seat looking at you, or leaning against your seat. Tell me you love / don't care about this while trying to enjoy your paid business seat.

What you are referring to goes way beyond just using a lavatory in a higher cabin class.

I don't think anyone said it is OK to sit in a seat in a higher cabin class when you haven't paid for that seat nor is it OK to queue for the lavatory either.

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Well it happens ..... Along with the inconsistency of drawing the curtains across coach and first. ( economy and business). In turbulence they will sit in a seat next to you. They will be told too.
Business Domestic:
Another person had travellers diarrhoea and for some reason came walking into business toilets. On descent this person stank and I mean really ...... The smell was tip worthy beyond pond scum. I had the dubious pleasure of him sitting right next to me for landing and taxiing. I obeying a crew commands. Again very extra-ordinary situations. It goes to show all you have to do is poop yourself to get into business.
BTW that wet 2B business seat is still flying out there somewhere spreading norovirus to the unsuspecting, I doubt they cleaned such a seat or even sanitised it.

Another time: international flight:
Why do the bring sick vomiting people into the business section-galley for preparing food. Honestly everything was sticky from bodily fluids and people where realising inflight socks don't protect them from the muck on the floor!

 

[legroom]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Well it happens ..... Along with the inconsistency of drawing the curtains across coach and first. ( economy and business). In turbulence they will sit in a seat next to you. They will be told too.
Business Domestic:
Another person had travellers diarrhoea and for some reason came walking into business toilets. On descent this person stank and I mean really ...... The smell was tip worthy beyond pond scum. I had the dubious pleasure of him sitting right next to me for landing and taxiing. I obeying a crew commands. Again very extra-ordinary situations. It goes to show all you have to do is poop yourself to get into business.
BTW that wet 2B business seat is still flying out there somewhere spreading norovirus to the unsuspecting, I doubt they cleaned such a seat or even sanitised it.

Another time: international flight:
Why do the bring sick vomiting people into the business section-galley for preparing food. Honestly everything was sticky from bodily fluids and people where realising inflight socks don't protect them from the muck on the floor!

Business Domestic => Traveller's Diarrhea ????

I didn't quite follow that.

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Business Domestic => Traveller's Diarrhea ????

I didn't quite follow that.

Think lateral ..... Passenger was Asian .... Was currently on a domestic leg. He pooped himself and he was travelling = travellers diarrhoea

 

[legroom]

Think lateral ..... Passenger was Asian .... Was currently on a domestic leg. He pooped himself and he was travelling = travellers diarrhoea

At the risk of diverging from the topic at hand, I will - with some reluctance - accept your invitation to 'think lateral [sic]'.

Medically speaking, TD (traveller's diarrhea) carries certain implications re aetiology, presentations, need for treatment and/or outcome etc etc ...

Race is never a factor.

The Caucasian pax sitting next to you could have just returned from Cambodia.

Further, traveling on a plane + diarrhea is not synonymous with (in other words, diagnostic of) TD.

I'd rather be less dogmatic with such a diagnosis from a cursory observation.

For all we know, the pax may be having an UC flare, post antibiotic diarrhea, food poisoning from the chorizo taken at the bistro last night in the CBD ....

So, I'd reserve the term TD for a specific subgroup of patients satisfying well defined criteria after excluding all potentially treatable causes.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/travelersdiarrhea_g.htm#symptoms

But I'm also realistic, knowing that many layman/woman has a different (and incorrect) definition of 'diarrhea'.

Back on topic - Enough for a digression

 

[JohnK]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Well it happens ..... Along with the inconsistency of drawing the curtains across coach and first. ( economy and business).

That is for another discussion.

If I am sitting in 4C or 4D on 737 then I cannot see the screen in the bulkhead in front. I have asked them to leave the curtain open so I can see the screen in front of row 1 and they have obliged everytime.

 

[marki]

At the risk of diverging from the topic at hand, I will - with some reluctance - accept your invitation to 'think lateral [sic]'.

Medically speaking, TD (traveller's diarrhea) carries certain implications re aetiology, presentations, need for treatment and/or outcome etc etc ...

Race is never a factor.

The Caucasian pax sitting next to you could have just returned from Cambodia.

Further, traveling on a plane + diarrhea is not synonymous with (in other words, diagnostic of) TD.

I'd rather be less dogmatic with such a diagnosis from a cursory observation.

For all we know, the pax may be having an UC flare, post antibiotic diarrhea, food poisoning from the chorizo taken at the bistro last night in the CBD ....

So, I'd reserve the term TD for a specific subgroup of patients satisfying well defined criteria after excluding all potentially treatable causes.

Disease Listing, Travelers' Diarrhea, General Information | CDC Bacterial, Mycotic Diseases

But I'm also realistic, knowing that many layman/woman has a different (and incorrect) definition of 'diarrhea'.

Back on topic - Enough for a digression

You did your homework i have to give that. Touche.... Lets just say generally that this bloke of an Asian appearance had a fairly severe abdominal issue causing wet very smelly trousers which he managed to spread around the aircraft including my lovely empty shadow seat in business. That seat was not cleaned I know because that aircraft was again flown by me again. I asked to change seats. There is an article somewhere about the spread of norovirus by airplane documented and reported to the CDC. I can dig it up for you. Just PM me.

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Well put it this way he did not use the Lav!

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

And a lavatory is just a lavatory. And a public one at that.

It's a shame my post was deleted.

I cannot remember the last time I used a lavatory I was not entitled to use on an international flight.

For domestic I dont care. The CSM on more than one occasion has mentioned to people up front in economy they can use front lavatory if they so wish. I will continue to ask to use the front lavatory whenever I feel like it. I think that is self explanatory and requires no further debate.

Now back to my original argument.

Occasionally I am a premium traveller. It doesn't matter how I got there. When I am travelling in a premium cabin I couldn't care less who is using the lavatory. I have more important things to worry about. Some people will get more than they are entitled to get. Most will have a valid reason. Some think rules don't apply to them. They are a minority not worth worrying about.

JohnK this problem of pooping at the wrong end ( pointy end) has not gone away. On the recent flights I have been ....the CSM has requested I not use the front toilet after I've used it( virgin Dom), On a Qantas international flight I was stretching on the staircase when the CSM warned me not to use the downstairs toilets ( i.e. First class toilets) was on a A380 in Business.
At other times they could not care less. Flying Qantas North South in WA no issues using pointy end pooper. But it is a whole new ball game flying East West that curtain is for all intents and purposes an Iron curtain.

I wish this pointy end pooping business were more consistent pardon the pun......innuendo

What about banning crop dusting when walking thru the cabin?

 

[JohnK]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I still witness economy passengers using business class toilets on domestic flights. Some CSMs frown upon it others are too busy preparing meal service to worry about it.

And I also think it makes sense if 2 carts are out serving during meal service that people can use front toilets.

 

[Pushka]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I still witness economy passengers using business class toilets on domestic flights. Some CSMs frown upon it others are too busy preparing meal service to worry about it.

And I also think it makes sense if 2 carts are out serving during meal service that people can use front toilets.

Last week we had one guy in Y wanting to use J toilets even before the doors had closed. He was sent scuttling.

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Last week we had one guy in Y wanting to use J toilets even before the doors had closed. He was sent scuttling.

We hope that you would understand that our First Class /Business customers have a reasonable expectation that we will ensure the facilities they have paid for are available exclusively for them.
We are sorry that you felt you were not treated fairly but having spoken to the staff concerned we do not propose to take this further.

Above response to a grievance concerning a y passenger not able to use J or F toilet.

Hmmmm

 

[legroom]

Re: WP treatment in Y

... At other times they [CSMs] could not care less ....

I had a chat to the CSM on QF11 while in First recently about this very issue.

He told me that QF is aware of this issue and has been "actively discouraged" J pax - esp. those in Emerald City - to walk down the stairs.

However, he admitted that staffing issue prevents this to be 100% leak-proof as the stairs cannot be "barricaded".

He told me so many anecdotes of pax self upgrading from Y to J and even from Y to 5A which in his mind was a greater sin than loo transgression.

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I can see that being a problem. Self upgrading wow

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I had a chat to the CSM on QF11 while in First recently about this very issue.

He told me that QF is aware of this issue and has been "actively discouraged" J pax - esp. those in Emerald City - to walk down the stairs.

However, he admitted that staffing issue prevents this to be 100% leak-proof as the stairs cannot be "barricaded".

He told me so many anecdotes of pax self upgrading from Y to J and even from Y to 5A which in his mind was a greater sin than loo transgression.

Ive seen selfupgrade from the back to the lounge area in front of emerald city and the pax stayed for many hours.

 

[marki]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Ive seen selfupgrade from the back to the lounge area in front of emerald city and the pax stayed for many hours.

Hopefully Red Roo knows about this behavior ? And pooping not in your toilet class ....eyes roll....

 

[jb747]

Re: WP treatment in Y

The 1st class toilets are for 1st...etc. I know it doesn't always work out that way.

Self upgrading...is an amazing exercise. As the crew have lists of who is in each seat, it shouldn't work for very long. I once had a bloke plonk himself down in an empty seat next to me when I was paxing domestically. Didn't get to stay long.

 

[Quickstatus]

Jb747 are there loos in the coughpit section of the a380 or do the pilots use Floos?