Qantas Business Class - No meal for Row 3

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sambo

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Hi all,


Just keen to get some others thoughts on this situation.


I have a semi-frequent need to travel domestically and always do so with Qantas, and fly Business Class where possible - a major factor for me being the meal service, as my schedule is often too hectic and unpredictable to have a decent meal elsewhere.


At last count, I had flown approx. 20 business class domestic flights in the last 12 months on Qantas, and the vast majority of them go off without a hitch, hence the reason I continue to fly Qantas, and not defect to Virgin as many of my colleagues recently have.


However, the issue I have is that on a recent day trip MEL-ADL in Qantas Business (row 3), the cabin crew were moving at a glacial pace during meal service, to the extent that my meal was handed to me quite literally less than 1 minute before the announcement was made "Cabin crew, prepare for landing". A cabin crew member immediately returned to my seat upon hearing the announcement and insisted that they clear my meal tray to prepare for landing.


No apology, no acknowledgement of the unfortunate situation - just an unceremonious yanking of the meal tray as I hurriedly grabbed for whatever finger-food-compatible items I could, which sadly amounted to just a slice of bread.


Being desperately hungry for that meal, seeing it condemned, untouched, to the rubbish cart was especially galling. Further, my return flight a few hours later while better, was still disappointing in that I was granted less than 9 minutes (I counted this time) with my beloved meal tray. Needless to say, I ate like a man possessed in those few measly minutes - but hardly a civilised way to enjoy a meal.


Interestingly, I flew this exact same itinerary (same flight, same meal) a few days later, and all was well. Plenty of time to eat, friendly and helpful cabin crew - it was like a different airline.


I don't dispute the need to prepare the cabin for landing, but the disorganisation that led to this situation was disappointing to the extent where I wished I had just bought economy red-edeals and a box of muesli bars and saved myself $1000 for the trip.


When I aired this disappointment in an email to qantas customer care, I received a clearly canned response which I've paraphrased below:


Dear Customer,

We understand that you are sadface. There is nothing we can do about it.

Sincerely,

Customer Care


Most curiously, perhaps, was the total absence in their response of the word apology or any derivations thereof. A simple apology would have gone a long way here, but the blunt, almost contemptuous nature of the response has surprised me to say the least.






So, my question to AFF is am I being unreasonable here? What would you expect in this situation?
 
Hi all,

So, my question to AFF is am I being unreasonable here? What would you expect in this situation?

Not unreasonable at all. I don't fly QF Business often, but would agree they seem to take far too long to serve the cabin. One would expect that for a short flight, the service is tailored to suit, with all passengers given opportunity to enjoy whatever is offered. There does seem to be a lot of "faffing around" with the business class meal service, which takes up time before even Row 1 gets served.

I travelled MEL to BNE the other day - plenty of time in this case for the meal service, but interestingly we (Mrs Aus ATC and I seated in 3AC) were served before 2DF (and 3DF).
 
I don't think you're being unreasonable at all.

Staff are not robots that do everything perfectly and as such problems will always arise over and over.

I've got plenty of similar stories - no meals available, poor quality food, only meals that i have bad reactions to available, ran out of alcohol, spilled drinks by crew on me, food not heated enough, overheated, impossible to eat bread, unappealing food, no food, no service, no shadow despite bronze members getting shadows, no welcome, no express cards, turbulence in flight. I tend to ignore all food on Domestic flights these days.

In all honesty, for a fully paid J domestic flight - compensation is a must for that situation.
 
That sounds like appalling service.

I have been one of the last served in business and I have not been given a drink after the announcement but they have let me finish my meal.

P.S I am not one to let a canned response like that go so easily. I would send another email back asking to speak to a supervisor/manager. Perhaps even get in touch with Redroo on AFF.
 
Not unreasonable at all. I don't fly QF Business often, but would agree they seem to take far too long to serve the cabin. One would expect that for a short flight, the service is tailored to suit, with all passengers given opportunity to enjoy whatever is offered. There does seem to be a lot of "faffing around" with the business class meal service, which takes up time before even Row 1 gets served.

I travelled MEL to BNE the other day - plenty of time in this case for the meal service, but interestingly we (Mrs Aus ATC and I seated in 3AC) were served before 2DF (and 3DF).

There is a very good chance that those in 2D/F and 3D/F were staff..
 
I've enjoyed a very nice J meal on CBR-SYD where they have 22 minutes to serve the meal and clean up afterwards. For the crew to fail so spectacularly on a longer flight is very poor.

Perhaps PM Red Roo with actual flight numbers and dates, and the complete response from Qf so they can follow up?
 
There is a very good chance that those in 2D/F and 3D/F were staff..

What evidence to you have to support that?

If you had received a meal & the crew said to your seat mate "Mr/Mrs Bloggs I'll come back to you" & only then after serving the other (commercial) pax in the J cabin did they receive a meal I'd say you may be correct.
 
I too think you are quite reasonable in your expectations.

A couple of times this year I've seen pax in the forward rows chat away to the FAs trying to get the meal service done. Not just exchange a few pleasantries - the full on conversation about rosters, what cities the FAs like best, how long they've been a FA etc etc. As much as I will the FA to move on, the chat went on ... and on ... and on .... Once I was tempted to try to get my own tray off the cart, and say 'don't worry, keep talking .. I'm just helping myself.'

Yes, not the end of the world, but really extended conversations between pax and FAs (mostly the doing of the pax) during meal services are not a great idea.
 
That sort of response seems to be the norm from QF, and it's really not acceptable.

I've noticed every single response includes the phrase "sorry YOU FEEL xx_ didn't meet the standard of a premium airline" and "I have reviewed and there is nothing further we can do". How a customer care department is allowed to spit out such offensive dribble is beyond me.
 
I too think you are quite reasonable in your expectations.

A couple of times this year I've seen pax in the forward rows chat away to the FAs trying to get the meal service done. Not just exchange a few pleasantries - the full on conversation about rosters, what cities the FAs like best, how long they've been a FA etc etc. As much as I will the FA to move on, the chat went on ... and on ... and on .... Once I was tempted to try to get my own tray off the cart, and say 'don't worry, keep talking .. I'm just helping myself.'

Yes, not the end of the world, but really extended conversations between pax and FAs (mostly the doing of the pax) during meal services are not a great idea.


Don't you just hate that?

The same goes for other places where someone just keeps chatting away, oblivious to the queue of people behind.
 
What evidence to you have to support that?

If you had received a meal & the crew said to your seat mate "Mr/Mrs Bloggs I'll come back to you" & only then after serving the other (commercial) pax in the J cabin did they receive a meal I'd say you may be correct.

Because as staff I'm use to it.. and it's how it should be.
 
Time management is surely one of the easiest skills to master given the repetitive nature of a FA's role. Any half decent FA would pander to the chatty customers needs the second time around drinks top up.
We did a rare domestic flight SYD - ADL last month for a weekend away JASA and with no status, landed in Row 3. One direction being served last, soup or the cheese platter was all that remained and luckily being second to last on the return, scored the last chicken salad with the soup or cheese going to 3A/3C.
Didn't faze me flying on points though probably different if I had bought the overpriced tickets. QF must expect a degree of meal wastage or better yet, offer online meal selections for J/F up to 24 hours pre-flight.
 
I had EXACTLEY the same experience on a QF J class flight MEL-HBA, and recall coughing to the wife that the staff took too long talking to the Greens party members flying on tax payers dollars got more attention than the fare paying West Aussie Miner who got stuck with row 3.
A point of interest though is that ALL pax in J Kalgoorlie-Perth, a 1 hour flight get exceptional service in my experience. Maybe us bogans just know to shut up and let the crew do their jobs . :)
 
with no status, landed in Row 3.

Couldn't you select further forward at T-80?

From row 4 in Y I've often noticed row 3 being served ages after I've been served, sometimes even after I've had my tray cleared. That's a big reason why when I'm in J I don't want to sit in row 3.
 
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I travelled MEL to BNE the other day - plenty of time in this case for the meal service, but interestingly we (Mrs Aus ATC and I seated in 3AC) were served before 2DF (and 3DF).

I have also found when I do points upgrades from Y to J at the airport, If I get "catering not assured" on my ticket, they will skip me, and return at the end of the service to offer me any remaining choices. (and fair enough)
 
I too have seen this the last few weeks on the MEL - ADL and ADL-MEL legs.
I have been sitting in 4C or 4D and was amazed that the poor people in row 3 were getting their tray placed within minutes of the "prepare the cabin for landing"
Didn't notice a lot of talking going on slowing it down, just a lot of mucking around with stuff on the tray, pulling out trays, putting trays back, back and forth to the galley. etc.
 
I don't think you are being unreasonable at all - on this sector there's enough time for a proper J service unless something seriously goes off the rails. I suggest PMing Red Roo too to try to get them to soften the blow for you a little bit. The price difference between Y and J is not inconsequential and if I were in your shoes I'd want to prod QF into admitting their 'full service' spiels have not lived up to expectations this time around.
 
If the flight went smoothly and there were no turbulence to prevent the crew of starting the meal service on time, there is no excuse for this appalling service.
 
A couple of times this year I've seen pax in the forward rows chat away to the FAs trying to get the meal service done. Not just exchange a few pleasantries - the full on conversation about rosters, what cities the FAs like best, how long they've been a FA etc etc. As much as I will the FA to move on, the chat went on ... and on ... and on .... Once I was tempted to try to get my own tray off the cart, and say 'don't worry, keep talking .. I'm just helping myself.'

Yes, not the end of the world, but really extended conversations between pax and FAs (mostly the doing of the pax) during meal services are not a great idea.

You are so right, these are the WORST pax!! They have no respect for anyone else on the plane, include the FAs that just want to move on and do their job.
 
Agree with the original poster - but also agree with the issue of the other rows chatting away. I want my meal quickly so the service can most quickly.

Another solution would be just to get the meals out quickly and then serve the drinks. The drinks won't change temperature that quickly but the food will.
 
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