The Qantas "experience" in CGK

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My parents have just returned from KUL flying KUL-CGK-SYD. CGK-SYD in J on QF. Thought I'd just report on what sounds like a fairly unpleasant trip home.

Checkin at KUL with bags tagged to SYD and, I thought surprisingly, BPs issued for QF to SYD.

Arrival in CGK saw them head to international transfers. There were about 10 around, 2 of them asleep. After refusing to acknowledge, they eventually slapped immigration forms down on the desk and pointed to the "buy a visa" desk. When pointing out (yet again) that they were in transit, said staff members screamed at them to go and refused to assist. A little bewildered... They walked off towards immigration where one of the equivalents of a SYD yellow shirt helper told them they should be at transfers and not to buy a visa.

Luckily... Said airport helper was actually very helpful and escorted them back to transfers where the same ordeal reoccurred. The airport staff proceeded to have a screaming match with each other with the helper adamant and not backing down. Fortunately! Eventually, over an hour after initially approaching the transfer desk, they were allowed to proceed airside.

Then the lounge.... Initially there was a debate about the Malaysia Airlines marked boarding pass. It took 15 minutes worth of phone calls to be allowed in. The lounge was reportedly disgusting. Minimal food that was of questionable hygiene, no wine at all, no spirits and just tap beer. Surely some of the very basics are considered the bare minimum for a QF utilised lounge?

Later on a staff member approached and said he was with Qantas. He said he would need to take their passports to finish checking in. My parents had the sense to ask to go with him, but this was refused. Against their better judgement, they gave him both passports and he returned later on with BPs on QF stock. Surely the transfer desk should have done any required passport checks?

All in all seemed like a poor experience for our "premium" airline, especially for J pax.

No surprise they're just not competitive across Asia.
 
No surprise they're just not competitive across Asia.

While I sympathise, I'd have said the experience is more attributable to the staff there, than Qantas. I wouldn't think the ball is in Qantas' court to get better staff for transiting passengers for instance as I'm sure it's a shambles for all airlines...

The lounge would also have been third-party, so they pay a fee to use it, but don't control anything. It'd be like expecting Coopers to be on tap in the CX lounge(s) in HKG (assuming it isn't) because you're use to it being on tap in ADL. It's not a Qantas lounge, so they have little (or no) control, and nor should they, unless they've worked out a deal.
 
I think the only thing you can pin QF for is the lounge experience, and possibly the questionable "taking passports to finish check-in". That sounds a bit dubious.

Can't believe the lounge attendant could be so thick as to get befuddled by the BP stock. Unless it's a security thing at CGK (doubt it) that the stock must match the airline you're flying.

As for the lounge... seems there aren't any airline operated lounges at CGK except that of GA's (and you'd hope GA's is at least good because it's their home base). As for the other third party lounges, I'm not sure at CGK whether one would expect much at all. Incidentally, QF use the same third party lounge as used by CX, BR, SV and SQ.

The most troubling part of the experience - the transit - is purely the fault of CGK / Indonesian border authorities. Can't believe that even the helper (who I guess obviously screamed at the airport staff in Bahasa Indonesia) couldn't talk two senses into the staff without needing to put up a front.
 
Wasn't exactly trying to "pin" it on Qantas as such, just making a point that the concept of pushing everyone off onto partner airlines and expecting a seamless experience isn't always how it works! My parents chose to route that way as they have always been loyal QF customers. These days I think it's just easier to connect with a carrier that offers genuine seamless transfers. It is a big shame.
 
Wasn't exactly trying to "pin" it on Qantas as such, just making a point that the concept of pushing everyone off onto partner airlines and expecting a seamless experience isn't always how it works! My parents chose to route that way as they have always been loyal QF customers. These days I think it's just easier to connect with a carrier that offers genuine seamless transfers. It is a big shame.

Agreed about partner airlines and "seamless" transfers, but the most stressful part of your parents' experience - the transit - was completely independent of the airlines used. Your parents had an onward BP (in fact, had onward travel arrangements), and I don't think Indonesian transit is anything too fanciful, so they should have been let through without much fuss. Instead, a few clueless airport officials decided to give them a hard time.

Yes, maybe had it been a GA -> GA transfer then it would have been smoother, but hell, isn't that just the textbook minimum expectation (i.e. imagine if such a connection was also a difficult exercise)?
 
QF is basically inferior to GA of all airlines on CGK services. It is scandalous.
 
Wasn't exactly trying to "pin" it on Qantas as such, just making a point that the concept of pushing everyone off onto partner airlines and expecting a seamless experience isn't always how it works! My parents chose to route that way as they have always been loyal QF customers. These days I think it's just easier to connect with a carrier that offers genuine seamless transfers. It is a big shame.

Agree loyalty these days is about your last flight.


I would have flown MAS straight home.
 
Wasn't exactly trying to "pin" it on Qantas as such, just making a point that the concept of pushing everyone off onto partner airlines and expecting a seamless experience isn't always how it works! My parents chose to route that way as they have always been loyal QF customers. These days I think it's just easier to connect with a carrier that offers genuine seamless transfers. It is a big shame.

Through certain ports, I'd fly direct, or avoid them entirely I guess.
 
I would avoid a transit anywhere in Indonesia at all costs.

I'd have suggested the OP's parents travelled KUL-SIN-SYD is they really wanted to arrive home on QF.
 
CGK is one of the worst airports I have had the displeasure dealing with. As JohnPhelan said the more sensible option would be an SIN transfer. Indonesia is very much a developing nation and to expect it's airport to be anything other than that, would be silly. I've had my diplomatic passport taken by border control offices because it looked 'cool' since it had a red cover. I then had to run after them as they proceeded to try and leave my eyesight with all of my travel documents!
 
Having crossed the indo borders more than a 100 times I can assure you all they are all different experiences.

its a mind game thing, I enjoyed the detentions the most when I was fault free.

have fault, expect to pay.........
 
I think the only thing you can pin QF for is the lounge experience, and possibly the questionable "taking passports to finish check-in". That sounds a bit dubious.

It is not uncommon when transferring international to international (or domestic to international for that matter) on different carriers for the second carrier to do a passport check, as they are liable (not the first carrier) if they transport a passenger without a valid document, visa etc. I have had QF do this on a number of occasions.
 
It is not uncommon when transferring international to international (or domestic to international for that matter) on different carriers for the second carrier to do a passport check, as they are liable (not the first carrier) if they transport a passenger without a valid document, visa etc. I have had QF do this on a number of occasions.

I thought border control should also have a hand in this. In the case of transit without entering the country, aren't there people at the security who check if you are able to use transit?

That said, as you explain it, that does make sense. Still feels a bit dubious to hand over your passport and not see it again for a while; although that said, there are environments, like the LH First Class Terminal, where this is normal procedure and "completely safe", but we're talking about Indonesia here, where corruption is not entirely uncommon.
 
Interesting thoughts as always.

What did surprise me was that about 18 months ago my very travel unsavy grandmother in her late 80s travelled SYD-CGK-PVG on GA and had no issue at all with the transit. I asked her about it the other day and it was so straight forward she has no recollection of it at all. I guess GA may have some decent processes in place in tier home airport.

Interestingly, GA use the QPs in Australia. Interesting that QF can't negotiate the same in Indonesia. It does sound like the lounge they employ is not up to QF standards.
 
Even the PER-DPS-CGK on GA can be confusing. On some flights you can just transit DPS; on others you have to enter the country at DPS immigration and then walk/run to domestic terminal. No prior info given and you have to find out as you land.

Other threads have talked about same trouble in transiting DPS.

Keen to hear more experience from others as I am planning to transit DPS (different booking and airline).
 
I guess GA may have some decent processes in place in their home airport.

I imagine not (unless you're in GA F, maybe). I suspect that being CGK and Indonesia, all Indonesians know GA and thus it's a "basic" procedure. Of course GA is also government owned. So perhaps there is some element of your hypothesis in this.

Interestingly, GA use the QPs in Australia. Interesting that QF can't negotiate the same in Indonesia. It does sound like the lounge they employ is not up to QF standards.

Interesting as it is, but at the same time I'm not entirely surprised either. CGK has quite a few SkyTeam partners that fly into it, so when GA are admitted next year, they will start to crowd up the GA lounge. After that, if GA had any sort of contract with QF for lounges, they'd probably be looking to cancel it.

Mind you, in Australia (if my quick brain wave doesn't fail me), none of the lounges in international terminals are "contract operated". All of them are operated by an airline.
 
Agree neither of the lounges that you can use as a QF pax at CGK are anything special, then again was also very unimpressed with the home GA lounge, so I think its just that there are no decent lounges (or indeed decent shopping) at CGK.

The passports thing appears somewhat common when transferring with SE Asian ports - have had the same thing happen to me at CMB and KHI.
Admittedly at KHI there is no incoming/departing separation and just a non-manned booth marked transfers that someone will check every now and then

As for the immigration experience, doesn't surprise me the slightest in Indonesia.

Any reason your parents didn't fly KUL-SIN-SYD?
 
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I believe there are boats leaving regularly !! :mrgreen: Passports optional
 
Agree neither of the lounges that you can use as a QF pax at CGK are anything special, then again was also very unimpressed with the home GA lounge, so I think its just that there are no decent lounges (or indeed decent shopping) at CGK.

Surprising you mention that you were unimpressed with the GA lounge. Then again, I suppose there is a difference between "unimpressed" and meeting a minimum standard.

On top of that, I'm lead to believe that GA have refreshed their lounge facilities at CGK recently (not sure how recently). With GA offering F service once again, GA have a F Lounge for these pax and reports indicate that it is pretty good (or at least the service provided in the lounge is).

Any reason your parents didn't fly KUL-SIN-SYD?

I can only guess price or timing, or both. Or, avoiding Jetstar on KUL-SIN (yes, you could fly MH on that sector, but it would still rely on the search engine spitting out that kind of option).

I'm surprised the QF engine would spit out KUL-CGK-SYD actually.
 
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