Abbott in Government

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

The Hogwarts comment was directed at J K Rowling's genius for names, rather than any supernatural aspect, but if we could arrange for Hermione Grainger to head up the Australian Ministry of Magic, I would be out there dancing for joy.

TBH, I've always admired Ita. A strong, successful, personable figure, she is an excellent role model. Not just for women, but for all of us.

Just a shame it parallels the most hateful episode in Australian politics. An episode that had the full support of the PM-elect.

 

[drron]

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I guess in the same way it's amazing that your in expert on ALP parliamentarians. Double standards again from the Abbott admirers. They know everything and everyone else knows nothing.

Never claimed to be.I cant ever remember suggesting who should be in the ALP ministry.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Never claimed to be.I cant ever remember suggesting who should be in the ALP ministry.

So the PM is not in the ministry? You've never made comments about the Last 2 PMs? You've never made comments about the capabilities of any ALP ministers? Strange ISTR many such comments from you.

Perhaps you are a mirror for me because these people all perform in public and we are all able to assess their performances as such. Especially considering a large number of abbott's people were in the Howard ministry. All of which is my basis for rejecting your previous post as baseless.

 

[drsmithy]

To say that only 'merit' was the sole selection criteria is very misleading, just like it is in many workforces There is a whole range of competing criterias that can influence appointment. Those who love LNP must be disgusted I am tagging a SMH article but here's a little more of what I think is more probable;;;

Merit pushed aside as host of factors set seats at table

That article is pretty much bang on.

The suggestion that "merit" is anything more than a fortuitous side effect when selecting a front bench is just comical. It's about reward and appeasement.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I see a theme here from the Abbott admirers. A high profile women is a witch because they have a different opinion to you. Nice. Do you have a ditch the witch sign as well?

Why do you do this - Generalise to the absolute? Weakens the credibility as it is too easy to repudiate.

 

[marki]

Isn't it more important to have the right people in the jobs rather than men/women, black/white etc, etc :?:

This makes total sense. Competence for the job is most important. That being saids we should be looking at a little more equality when we can.

 

[drron]

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So the PM is not in the ministry? You've never made comments about the Last 2 PMs? You've never made comments about the capabilities of any ALP ministers? Strange ISTR many such comments from you.

Perhaps you are a mirror for me because these people all perform in public and we are all able to assess their performances as such. Especially considering a large number of abbott's people were in the Howard ministry. All of which is my basis for rejecting your previous post as baseless.

Yes I critiscised the last 2 PMs because they had been in the job and my opinion was that they were not up to the job.
You are bagging people who haven't even been sworn in yet.
To me that is the major difference.
Now I know you wont agree with this post because in your mind no one you label as from the right can have a believable opinion.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Yes I critiscised the last 2 PMs because they had been in the job and my opinion was that they were not up to the job.
You are bagging people who haven't even been sworn in yet.
To me that is the major difference.
Now I know you wont agree with this post because in your mind no one you label as from the right can have a believable opinion.

I've criticised who exactly. I've simply said that the liberals have many capable women in parliament, contrary to the claims of the Abbott admirers that the those women were excluded from the ministry based on merit, presumably their lack of merit. Those names that I have mentioned are well known and have a long history including in Howard's government.

I am just as qualified to comment on the situation as you are on ALP PMs.

I posted a comment about Abbott in government and his ministry. It was simply an outline of my opinion about the situation. In response we had your post about experts (posting on AFF) on the parliamentarian liberal party. We had a post about men maintaining the rage on behalf of women, that failed to address the topic at all. We've had a couple of posts on my holding an opinion completely devoid of any attempt to address the points I raised.

 

[medhead]

I have made my own judgements as has Australia.

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My point has nothing to do with the election result. I'm simply asking those believers in hard work to explain one example.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Why do you do this - Generalise to the absolute? Weakens the credibility as it is too easy to repudiate.

I've drawn the obvious conclusion. Apparently her name makes her suitable for hogwarts, the school for wizards and witches. So which is Ita, a wizard or a witch? There is no generalisation involved.

I can only imagine the screams if I wrote Concetta FW' name made her eligible for hogwarts

It be nice if there was even a basic attempt to repudiate.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I've drawn the obvious conclusion. Apparently her name makes her suitable for hogwarts, the school for wizards and witches. So which is Ita, a wizard or a witch? There is no generalisation involved.

I can only imagine the screams if I wrote Concetta FW' name made her eligible for hogwarts

It be nice if there was even a basic attempt to repudiate.

When we infer what was never implied, we set up a situation where delusion operates, and we should not be surprised that no good result eventuates.

Is it not ever so in how we view our interactions with others? Somebody claims we hold views we do not. Or declares that our evil beliefs are strongly held. Naturally disharmony ensues.

Medhead, there are some who can see clearly into my heart. You are not yet one of those people.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

When we infer what was never implied, we set up a situation where delusion operates, and we should not be surprised that no good result eventuates.

Is it not ever so in how we view our interactions with others? Somebody claims we hold views we do not. Or declares that our evil beliefs are strongly held. Naturally disharmony ensues.

Medhead, there are some who can see clearly into my heart. You are not yet one of those people.

Not many people can see clearly when you write one thing but mean another. That much is clear by your follow up explanation. There are a vast number of JK Rowling characters in the Harry Potter books who never set foot in Hogwarts.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

I quite like witches. I don't see them as necessarily evil. Witches are actually quite primeval and apart from the Harry Potter analogies here, wouldn't consider it offensive to call someone a witch and have always thought people were using that word in place of the synonym starting with B.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Right so Abbott stood up in front of a sign that effectively called the PM a B**** and let himself be filmed doing so. Yet anyone who questions his character gets pilloried by the gang of 6 on AFF.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

That's just my interpretation of the use of the word and is probably completely different from others. And many have said that Abbott doesn't float their boats but he has to be given a chance to implement his policies. Nothing more than that.

I just don't attach any personality, deviant, sociopathic or other disorders to his behaviour like some here do.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

That's just my interpretation of the use of the word and is probably completely different from others.

I doubt it. I don't think the Wiccan lobby in Australia has enough influence to attract that sort of attention.

Insults are identified by intent, not semantics. The intent of the people in that little rally was pretty clear.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Well the thing is, when determining a persons intent, you have to make assumptions. And those assumptions bring in your own baggage.

Even courts of law get that wrong.

 

[medhead]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Jacqueline Maley has articulated my point rather well.

To have such a women-poor cabinet is to either say that you deliberately overlook competent women because you are sexist, or to say there are no competent women in your ranks to promote in the first place.

If the latter is the case, whose fault is that?
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Tony Abbott: We thought you knew women but then you do this

 

[Skyring]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Jacqueline Maley has articulated my point rather well.

I'm glad you are happy with Bronwyn Bishop, someone you accept as competent.

 

[straitman]

Re: Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

As long as we are going the quote articles from the SMH maybe this one from Mark Kenny should be included.

Abbott is a new man, but the left can't see it


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