Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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Why Moody? Don't you like it when we find common ground?

What is scammy about anything we've said with anything written here about Super? There is nothing.

I just thought your comment "Yes you couldn't get more reliable tenants and so happy to pay big rents too" was a dead giveaway that SMSF are used partly as a tax scam by some people. The ATO seems to agree, but what would they know? [Edit - sorry ... that was Pukka. You two really have to sort out better names for yourselves!]

And trying to reignite the stupid misogyny rubbish again I see. I know lots of professional women who are disgusted with Gillard's nonsense and are also more than happy to vote the Coalition in. Myself included. Although unlike you I have voted for the opposite party also.

Glad to see you know your place - "50 Shades of Tony" is obviously on your bestseller list!

But seriously .... I have met many successful women whose self-esteem was so low that they stayed in abusive relationships. I find it puzzling and very sad, but at least Tony puts women in their place without assaulting them. Oh - except in that one case. No - I think it was two but he got that one thrown out of court, bless him.
 
Ok well I'll start with my wife.

No - I am not going to make the obvious retort, so let's move on.

She has a high income & doesn't want to pay any more tax because she thinks the government wastes too much of it.

QED

She employs people & would like a good dose of common sense injected into employment law.

QED

She likes blokes that would rather do a half marathon than get their hair blow dried.

This is supposed to be a "thinking woman"????? Sorry - I meant to say "QED" but it just slipped out!

etc.

Oh and she's not some hairy legged tree hugger that would get offended if you said they looked sexy.

Which they're not by the way.

Oh come on - you are just a Labour stooge pretending to be so ridiculously right-wing as a parody, aren't you?

"hairy legged tree hugger" - that's priceless!!!!!
 
I thought this was the election 2013 thread ... so why has it turned into a Super-Tax-Scams-R-Us discussion?

Thought for the day - why would any thinking woman vote for Tony Abbott?

[That should get things back on track!]

There is a very good reason that I think anyone who views me as extreme left is a F'ing idiot. ;)


If my boss had said to me that I would've stamped on it immediately. This candidate has no choice of course but to look united whatever she may think or not think. It is an invidious position to be in. If only he'd stopped short in the praise as he was doing well, but to me, it's just that he still feels that he has not given enough praise unless he makes comment on her positive sex appeal. To me it feels as if being good at what ever your job is still insufficient in his eyes.

I agree 100% just no need to describe anyone, even a very good friend as super sexy. I can't exactly remember but I even think the first version didn't even say she was clever or hard working - but my memory could be cough.

Ok well I'll start with my wife.

She has a high income & doesn't want to pay any more tax because she thinks the government wastes too much of it.

Unfortunately, for your wife that is not going to change regardless of which party forms government. death and taxes!

I just thought your comment "Yes you couldn't get more reliable tenants and so happy to pay big rents too" was a dead giveaway that SMSF are used partly as a tax scam by some people. The ATO seems to agree, but what would they know? [Edit - sorry ... that was Pukka. You two really have to sort out better names for yourselves!]
This would certainly be a scam if I purchased a house and rented it to family. But I think SMSF get around this by having the independent trustee, an independent person who determines the investments and has a say. But then I'm also surprised that someone is getting an independent trustee for free, without paying any fees.
 
The thread went almost two days without cheap shots, insults & mistruths - pity it couldn't last:(
 
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That's just weird. The Greens have an ad that shows an older woman in her garden, a twenty something who is frightened of Abbott and then another with a chain saw in his hand and a chopped up part tree saying he's voting for the Greens. WT?
 
Ok well I'll start with my wife.

She has a high income & doesn't want to pay any more tax because she thinks the government wastes too much of it.
But was probably more than happy to take the benefits of said taxes with a free education and healthcare (to name but a few benefits).

Your wife (along with the rest of us) pays some of the lowest taxes in the civilised world. *Especially* in the context of the services she receives in return.

She employs people & would like a good dose of common sense injected into employment law.
That is to say, she wants to be able to fire anyone for any reason at any time, make her employees work more than 40 hours a week without paying overtime, fill-in shifts with next to no notice, and other similar types of "flexibility". Keep 'em scared for their livelihoods and they're less likely to do anything uppity like ask for more money, after all.

She likes blokes that would rather do a half marathon than get their hair blow dried.
Because obviously that's a great indicator for competence at running a country.

There is a very good reason that I think anyone who views me as extreme left is a F'ing idiot. ;)
Centrist is the new "extreme left", dontcha know. :D

And trying to reignite the stupid misogyny rubbish again I see. I know lots of professional women who are disgusted with Gillard's nonsense and are also more than happy to vote the Coalition in. Myself included. Although unlike you I have voted for the opposite party also.
Wow. Non-sequitur much ?

It's been interesting to hear a few people explain how they embody some of the non-trivial flaws in our economy and tax system.

But, hey, I guess so long as you're doing OK, that's all that matters, right ?
 
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Wow. Non-sequitur much ?

Sure. If answering the question is a non Sequitur. If you are referring to the last sentence then that relates to trying to reignite Gillard's assertion that Abbott is a misogynist. That's just getting boring.
 
No - I am not going to make the obvious retort, so let's move on.



QED



QED



This is supposed to be a "thinking woman"????? Sorry - I meant to say "QED" but it just slipped out!



Oh come on - you are just a Labour stooge pretending to be so ridiculously right-wing as a parody, aren't you?

"hairy legged tree hugger" - that's priceless!!!!!

Lol I just like to give it a stir now and then to see how people react.

I'm really an ecologist that likes meditating in plumes of incense while listening to whale song.
 
Sure. If answering the question is a non Sequitur.
The question asked was: "why would any thinking woman vote for Tony Abbott"

Your response was "but waaaah ! Gillard !".

If you are referring to the last sentence then that relates to trying to reignite Gillard's assertion that Abbott is a misogynist. That's just getting boring.
Misogyny was a word used in the hurly-burly of question time. Unsurprisingly, acres of newsprint was wasted agonising over its dictionary definition while completely ignoring the underlying point being made: Abbot's a sexist dinosaur. That is why his popularity amongst women is so disastrous.
 
The question asked was: "why would any thinking woman vote for Tony Abbott"

Your response was "but waaaah ! Gillard !".


Misogyny was a word used in the hurly-burly of question time. Unsurprisingly, acres of newsprint was wasted agonising over its dictionary definition while completely ignoring the underlying point being made: Abbot's a sexist dinosaur. That is why his popularity amongst women is so disastrous.

You've pinched that line from Skyfall where M calls James Bond a "sexist misogynist dinosaur"

I will admit that Tony is no James Bond though even my father rang me from the UK to ask who he was as his foot in mouth comments are apparently reported daily over there.

Still 1.11 for Tony with Centrebet though and 1.30 for the Greens to get 0 seats
 
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The question asked was: "why would any thinking woman vote for Tony Abbott"

Your response was "but waaaah ! Gillard !".


Misogyny was a word used in the hurly-burly of question time. Unsurprisingly, acres of newsprint was wasted agonising over its dictionary definition while completely ignoring the underlying point being made: Abbot's a sexist dinosaur. That is why his popularity amongst women is so disastrous.

She made a speech about it. That became her mantra. And the question was raised merely to go back to that. Waaa waaa indeed. How stupid.
 
Just saw Palmer on aunty. This late night comedy show. I'm so voting for that guy, mother fingers! :D
 
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Still 1.11 for Tony with Centrebet though and 1.30 for the Greens to get 0 seats
With the Greens being preferenced last by the Libs, that's pretty much killed any hope Adam Bandt might have had.

As for the Senate, there are nine Green Seanators currently, and only three are standing for re-election.Green numbers might actually increase at the expense of Labor there.
 
She made a speech about it. That became her mantra. And the question was raised merely to go back to that. Waaa waaa indeed. How stupid.
She was getting pretty desperate by that stage. Any attempt to gain traction. As we know now, it wasn't Tony Abbott she was really worried about so much as another man in a blue tie.

But yes, Moody's <post> went, "why would any thinking woman vote for Tony Abbott?"

Let's look at that. Let's replace a word. "why would any thinking person vote for Tony Abbott?"

Perhaps in Moodyland that's an equally valid question, but it was not the question he asked. Instead he played the gender card.

As if the entire election, and beyond it the entire realm of political discourse could be reduced down to a single issue - of gender.

One might as well ask. "why would any thinking woman vote for Kevin Rudd?"

Kevin Rudd is not a woman either.

If one follows this line of thinking, a thinking woman would vote for Tony Abbott, because his deputy is Julie Bishop. Rudd's deputy is Anthony Albanese.

But I reject all these questions seemingly <only fishing for a response>.

It has always been my experience that men and women both display a normal range of human intelligence. Both are equally adept at abstract thinking. Voting on gender alone makes as much sense as voting on any other single issue. Marriage equality, for example. Or unlawful arrivals.

A thinking person would vote on a range of issues, because we may be sure that when choosing a representative, none of the range of candidates who have put themselves forward are going to have the same views and opinions on every issue.

My own criteria have less to do with expressed opinions or promises than with the under-lying character. Is this person intelligent? Well-informed? Articulate? That's pretty much any major-party political candidate, but there's always a few who display behaviour that makes the questions worth asking.

More to the point, is this person honest? Authentic? Do they behave as if they genuinely care for those whose votes they are seeking? Or are they motivated by personal or party advancement?

On that last, do they have some other agenda? Perhaps they want to see Parliament become more theocratic. Perhaps they have a business interest which donald trumps all public spirit. Just where does their dogma run, I ask myself.

And most important to me, are they of good heart? Do they seek to serve those whose human needs are greatest, or are they interested in other things?
 
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She was getting pretty desperate by that stage. Any attempt to gain traction. As we know now, it wasn't Tony Abbott she was really worried about so much as another man in a blue tie.

But yes, Moody's <post> went, "why would any thinking woman vote for Tony Abbott?"

Let's look at that. Let's replace a word. "why would any thinking person vote for Tony Abbott?"

Perhaps in Moodyland that's an equally valid question, but it was not the question he asked. Instead he played the gender card.

As if the entire election, and beyond it the entire realm of political discourse could be reduced down to a single issue - of gender.

One might as well ask. "why would any thinking woman vote for Kevin Rudd?"

Kevin Rudd is not a woman either.

If one follows this line of thinking, a thinking woman would vote for Tony Abbott, because his deputy is Julie Bishop. Rudd's deputy is Anthony Albanese.

But I reject all these questions seemingly <only fishing for a response>

It has always been my experience that men and women both display a normal range of human intelligence. Both are equally adept at abstract thinking. Voting on gender alone makes as much sense as voting on any other single issue. Marriage equality, for example. Or unlawful arrivals.

A thinking person would vote on a range of issues, because we may be sure that when choosing a representative, none of the range of candidates who have put themselves forward are going to have the same views and opinions on every issue.

My own criteria have less to do with expressed opinions or promises than with the under-lying character. Is this person intelligent? Well-informed? Articulate? That's pretty much any major-party political candidate, but there's always a few who display behaviour that makes the questions worth asking.

More to the point, is this person honest? Authentic? Do they behave as if they genuinely care for those whose votes they are seeking? Or are they motivated by personal or party advancement?

On that last, do they have some other agenda? Perhaps they want to see Parliament become more theocratic. Perhaps they have a business interest which donald trumps all public spirit. Just where does their dogma run, I ask myself.

And most important to me, are they of good heart? Do they seek to serve those whose human needs are greatest, or are they interested in other things?

That's an awful lot of hot air even for you, Skyring.

Let me make it simple for the audience if that is the issue. Let's suppose there was a candidate for election who was racist (think of a National Front skinhead if it helpe). The question could be asked "Why would anyone of non-Anglo heritage vote for them?"

Is that concept unclear? Is Tony's patriarchal atitude to women unclear??? What planet are you people on so I can avoid going there????
 
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