Criminal record and obtaining a US visa

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I think that drug related it doesn't matter how long has past - they are stricter - but with more minor offences (non recorded/low grade criminal offences), anything after 5 years is normally ok to apply.


Unless you can show extenuating circumstances.
E.g. my case, where it has been just over 2 years but have inveloped a massive change!!
I would go and apply when you can show that you have had a noticable life turn around from when you committed the crime.
Another example from mine;
Committed crime when;
- homeless
- medically exhibited disability
- no job
- no university
- no family contact

Applied when;
- Live in a very good house in a very good area
- Pyschologist letters showing rehabilitation
- Job for over 2 years
- studying to become a lawyer/doctor
- Family support and regular contact.
- Gained national modeling and acting agents that make me work for international clients.
- Regular disability volunteer

They were able to see the risk of me re-offending was very low to non-existent. As doing so would pretty much mess up ANY of these things ive worked hard to change.
To anyone, before applying. I would try your hardest to better yourself as a person and change who you were at the time of the crime to show the US that we are not the same people who committed stupid crimes, but that we are now people who want to better themselves and travel to their beautiful country.
 
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Heres hoping the wait time is reducing for all those people waiting for their visas. Got my email today saying I have been approved for a 5 year visa (this is only my 2nd visa approval). It has been 17 weeks and 4 day since my interview.
Such a great relief to know I have it. :)
 
Heres hoping the wait time is reducing for all those people waiting for their visas. Got my email today saying I have been approved for a 5 year visa (this is only my 2nd visa approval). It has been 17 weeks and 4 day since my interview.
Such a great relief to know I have it. :)

Thats great!
Though, i've noticed a trend, that people who have previously applied and been accepted generally have a wait time of 17 weeks approx.
For most people on here, and myself, who have not applied before and going through their first application, the wait time is still 5-6 months. I emailed the ARO, and they said that my application had not even been looked at and was still in a long cue, this was 2.5 months after it had been requested.
 
flymetothemoon - it was a public criminal record

katejenno - thanks, good luck with ur husbands

Can i ask the total worth of the item you stole? ($50? 100? 1000?)
Im in the same boat with you and just had mine sent off just over two months ago. coming up to 3rd month in 3 days.
 
Hi Guys
New to forum
just wondering does anybody have updates for first time visa applicants
i didnt qualify through etsa
16 weeks today and still no word.
any help or advice would be great.
 
Hi Guys
New to forum
just wondering does anybody have updates for first time visa applicants
i didnt qualify through etsa
16 weeks today and still no word.
any help or advice would be great.

Hey mate!
I applied back on March 21st, and like you just passed the 16 week mark, looks to be quite a while more.
One of the DHS sites says 27 week wait, which is something like 6 and 3/4 months (almost 7 months).
I've been emailing the VISA unit at my local consulate, but keep getting the same results, they tell me to track my passport (which doesn't work unless their sending your passport back to you)
So, its just playing the waiting game.
 
Hi jorza thanks for the reply
they have my passport and when i try to track it on ustraveldocs site it just says no status avaliable
very frustraiting process
 
A couple of people on here in the past have posted that they have had friends and family travel to the U.S with spent convictions and everything was ok (without declaring anything).

Flymetothemoon, clear your inbox i cant send you any msgs.

But for all who have been in tune with what ive been doing in terms of my NI waiver for the USA;

Got an email from Melbourne Visa Unit.
Saying it had been reviewed but they didnt have the authority to authorize a visa yet.
They said i had to attend a physical and mental disorder medical examination which will cost me $450, then pending the results, they will continue the processing.
Its booked in for 2 weeks from today.
Don't really know what to make of it, surely this should be good that they are at least exploring the medical option rather than rejecting all together.
My dream to travel the USA is still alive!
Any news with anyone else?
 
Wow, after reading this thread, without having a go at anyone who has offered an opinion on what constitutes a criminal record, all I can say to anyone reading this thread is there is a considerable amount of opinion posted that is just plain wrong.

I'll preface my comments by saying thatI am not an immigration officer or DFAT official. I did spend 30 years in the NSW Police and retired as a Detective Superintendent a few years ago, so I do have a little bit of experience in the criminal law and what constitutes a criminal record etc. and a basis for my comments.

Advice that a conviction is spent after ten years and doesn't have to be disclosed is incorrect. The only convictions that are ever expunged from a criminal history are those ordered by a court. This is the same in all states and territories. Unless a court has ordered the record be removed and the fingerprint record for that arrest destroyed, that matter will remain on your record for life. They don't disappear from your record. Ever.

The police have two types of criminal histories they can produce. The first is known as a bail report in NSW, (it may be called something different in other jurisdictions) this report shows EVERYTHING. Every arrest, conviction, acquittal, warrant, summons, fine, gaol sentence, bond, failure to appear, non conviction etc. The purpose of this report is to allow a court or authorised bail officer to view everything that is relevant to the question of bail. The second type of criminal history will only show convictions, and fines and is used by courts to consider for the purpose of sentencing. Traffic convictions and fines are generated on a separate report.

One thing to note about criminal records. Strictly speaking, for a matter to form part of your criminal record, it must be linked to your fingerprint record. If an arrest or conviction is not matched to a fingerprint record, then it cannot be proved. From time to time, erroneous entries can appear on a person's criminal history if someone has used the same name and date of birth. This happens more frequently than you might think, particularly among family members or some ethnic backgrounds. I have seen courts have no option but to disregard a criminal conviction because the conviction was not linked to a fingerprint record. This can occur where a person was initially summonsed or given a court attendance notice rather than arrested and charged (where fingerprints are taken as part of the charging process). If you obtain a criminal history check prior to applying for a visa and you found a matter on that record that was not linked to fingerprints, you could seek to have it removed on the basis that the conviction did not relate to you. (If that was the case). There is no way an entry can be proved as belonging to you without the matching fingerprint record.

Don't be mislead into thinking that the US Government can't access your criminal history. Australia has various treaties and intelligence sharing agreements in place with the US and other countries. While this doesn't mean that the US Government has direct access to the criminal indices of a state police force, it does mean that they can get a copy of your record by requesting it from the Australian Government. We have a number of Australian Federal Police liaison officers spread around various overseas embassies and the AFP have an International Division in Canberra which handles information requests from other countries among other things. I have no doubt when applying for a visa waiver, the US would be asking Australia for a copy of your record either through DFAT or the AFP.

The question on the ESTA is not whether you have a conviction, its whether you have ever been arrested. Whether you choose to declare an arrest or not is up to you, but they can get the information if they need to. You might think the chances are pretty slim that you would be flagged, but you never know what might cause them to make a request to check your criminal history or trigger enhanced screening when you actually enter LOTFAP.

Just after I retired from the police, I took my wife and daughters to the states to do the Disneyland, sea world, Vegas family holiday. I had never been to the states before. Coming into LAX, I was separated from my family and subjected to enhanced screening and interviews for nearly two hours. Things were not looking too good, lots of checking on their NNI database, furtive conversations with supervisors etc. things got really interesting when an ICE team in full tactical gear came in to keep me company. Finally one of the immigration officers said "have you ever had any interaction with law enforcement." So I told them I was a retired police officer. Well, everything changed and suddenly it was all good, all smiles and apologies for the misunderstanding. Seems some bone headed Hells Angel bikie and I share the same name and date of birth apparently, even though from their questions this knucklehead has several tattoos and I have none. The point is, all it takes is a case of mistaken identity or some other reason you get flagged and subjected to more rigorous vetting. Once that happens there is the possibility that they might find out that you omitted to tell them some things you really should have and you could find yourself on the next plane out.
 
Wow, after reading this thread, without having a go at anyone who has offered an opinion on what constitutes a criminal record, all I can say to anyone reading this thread is there is a considerable amount of opinion posted that is just plain wrong.

I'll preface my comments by saying thatI am not an immigration officer or DFAT official. I did spend 30 years in the NSW Police and retired as a Detective Superintendent a few years ago, so I do have a little bit of experience in the criminal law and what constitutes a criminal record etc. and a basis for my comments.

Advice that a conviction is spent after ten years and doesn't have to be disclosed is incorrect. The only convictions that are ever expunged from a criminal history are those ordered by a court. This is the same in all states and territories. Unless a court has ordered the record be removed and the fingerprint record for that arrest destroyed, that matter will remain on your record for life. They don't disappear from your record. Ever.

The police have two types of criminal histories they can produce. The first is known as a bail report in NSW, (it may be called something different in other jurisdictions) this report shows EVERYTHING. Every arrest, conviction, acquittal, warrant, summons, fine, gaol sentence, bond, failure to appear, non conviction etc. The purpose of this report is to allow a court or authorised bail officer to view everything that is relevant to the question of bail. The second type of criminal history will only show convictions, and fines and is used by courts to consider for the purpose of sentencing. Traffic convictions and fines are generated on a separate report.

One thing to note about criminal records. Strictly speaking, for a matter to form part of your criminal record, it must be linked to your fingerprint record. If an arrest or conviction is not matched to a fingerprint record, then it cannot be proved. From time to time, erroneous entries can appear on a person's criminal history if someone has used the same name and date of birth. This happens more frequently than you might think, particularly among family members or some ethnic backgrounds. I have seen courts have no option but to disregard a criminal conviction because the conviction was not linked to a fingerprint record. This can occur where a person was initially summonsed or given a court attendance notice rather than arrested and charged (where fingerprints are taken as part of the charging process). If you obtain a criminal history check prior to applying for a visa and you found a matter on that record that was not linked to fingerprints, you could seek to have it removed on the basis that the conviction did not relate to you. (If that was the case). There is no way an entry can be proved as belonging to you without the matching fingerprint record.

Don't be mislead into thinking that the US Government can't access your criminal history. Australia has various treaties and intelligence sharing agreements in place with the US and other countries. While this doesn't mean that the US Government has direct access to the criminal indices of a state police force, it does mean that they can get a copy of your record by requesting it from the Australian Government. We have a number of Australian Federal Police liaison officers spread around various overseas embassies and the AFP have an International Division in Canberra which handles information requests from other countries among other things. I have no doubt when applying for a visa waiver, the US would be asking Australia for a copy of your record either through DFAT or the AFP.

The question on the ESTA is not whether you have a conviction, its whether you have ever been arrested. Whether you choose to declare an arrest or not is up to you, but they can get the information if they need to. You might think the chances are pretty slim that you would be flagged, but you never know what might cause them to make a request to check your criminal history or trigger enhanced screening when you actually enter LOTFAP.

Just after I retired from the police, I took my wife and daughters to the states to do the Disneyland, sea world, Vegas family holiday. I had never been to the states before. Coming into LAX, I was separated from my family and subjected to enhanced screening and interviews for nearly two hours. Things were not looking too good, lots of checking on their NNI database, furtive conversations with supervisors etc. things got really interesting when an ICE team in full tactical gear came in to keep me company. Finally one of the immigration officers said "have you ever had any interaction with law enforcement." So I told them I was a retired police officer. Well, everything changed and suddenly it was all good, all smiles and apologies for the misunderstanding. Seems some bone headed Hells Angel bikie and I share the same name and date of birth apparently, even though from their questions this knucklehead has several tattoos and I have none. The point is, all it takes is a case of mistaken identity or some other reason you get flagged and subjected to more rigorous vetting. Once that happens there is the possibility that they might find out that you omitted to tell them some things you really should have and you could find yourself on the next plane out.


Fantastic points! As a Law student at university and wanting to specialize in immigration, this is 100% correct.
If you have ANY interaction with the law for something related to Moral Turpitude which can range from; Recieving stolen goods with the foreknowledge that they are stolen to murder (inc. Drug related matters, larceny, kidnap, SOME forms of assault.) You need to go through the consulate if you are wanting to travel to the USA.

Myself, having previously gone to court a few years back for one count of theft, pleading guilty, and receiving a "No Conviction Recorded" - i still have to put myself through the waiver of inadmissibility steps, which involves 6 months of waiting, a mental disorder examination and a lot of worry and patience. Despite the fact i was given no conviction recorded, it still shows up on my police certificate (defeats the point of No conviction recorded, when it clearly is recorded on my police certificate).

If you've had any brush with the law under moral turpitude grounds, there is NO way around it. No thinking "oh hold on, its been over 10 years i'll try go under the ESTA". You need to go to your local consulate and go through the process like everyone else or you'll find yourself in more hot water than the day you committed your crime that made you inelgible to travel to the USA in the first place.

If you've had a brush with the law, this is not the end of your US dreams. Keep your nose clean, if you have drug related crimes it becomes harder and be assured they WILL test your urine, hair and skin for traces of any and every drug. If you have had mental or physical disorders, they will examine you to see if you are fine.
If you have kept your nose clean and realised your mistakes and abided by the law and turn your life around and prove to your interviewer that you are fit for travel then you should have no worries.

Any questions, inbox me!
 
Hmm, I have a friend who was charged but not convicted about 12 yrs ago and 10 days ago applied for an ETSA and got it immediately. He has been and returned w' no probs. So, certainly worth a try.
 
Hmm, I have a friend who was charged but not convicted about 12 yrs ago and 10 days ago applied for an ETSA and got it immediately. He has been and returned w' no probs. So, certainly worth a try.

Had immigration stopped to review him, he would probably be banned for life from ever entering again.
Or if he travels again under ESTA, and is then reviewed and its found he has previously entered the country under ESTA, he will be detained and charged with a few jailable charges.
 
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The question on the ESTA is not whether you have a conviction, its whether you have ever been arrested.
Indeed. I'd be interested in your opinion on the discrepancy between that question and the legislation. Being arrested isn't grounds for entry refusal.

If the USA is playing loose with the truth, can you blame someone for adopting the same standards?
 
Indeed. I'd be interested in your opinion on the discrepancy between that question and the legislation. Being arrested isn't grounds for entry refusal.

If the USA is playing loose with the truth, can you blame someone for adopting the same standards?

My guess is that they're just wanting our money to pay consulate staff from the interviews booked from rejection for saying 'yes' to that question. Being arrested, and not being charged or gone to court, or even being arrested going to court and getting a not guilty are not grounds for entry refusal.
There is the list of things that justify entry refusal and they are things like having a communicable disease or CIMT.
but, arrest is not something that can justify entry refusal. But alongside the money factor, they want to make sure it isnt an arrest for grounds of murder, rape or kidnap..etc.
Its just precautionary.

I wouldn't say they're playing lose with the truth, its more of a precautionary.
however, in my case i think its a bit strange. Canada is one of the hardest countries to enter, perhaps harder than the US, but if you have a no conviction recorded - you can still enter their country easily. I had no conviction recorded and have to go through the rigorous waiver routine :(
 
If it is any reassurance, when I visisted the USA 25 years ago, I was questioned in a holding room. To this day I don't know why, but I suspect it was 'single male, going to South America, could be a drug runner' even though I've never had a criminal conviction.

The USA has the right to impose whatever conditions it deems necessary on travellers, but it seems far less 'friendly' at the 'border' than when one goes to Europe.
 
Indeed. I'd be interested in your opinion on the discrepancy between that question and the legislation. Being arrested isn't grounds for entry refusal.

If the USA is playing loose with the truth, can you blame someone for adopting the same standards?

I take your point that the ESTA asks about arrests and the legislation refers to convictions. Notwithstanding that, you are making a legal declaration and you can (will?) be prosecuted if caught out, as the opening screen of the ESTA application makes clear:

All information provided by you, or on your behalf by a designated third party, must be true and correct. An electronic travel authorization may be revoked at any time and for any reason, such as new information influencing eligibility. You may be subject to administrative or criminal penalties if you knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation in an electronic travel authorization application submitted by you or on your behalf.

Whether the US should be framing the question the way they have is neither here nor there.

Hmm, I have a friend who was charged but not convicted about 12 yrs ago and 10 days ago applied for an ETSA and got it immediately. He has been and returned w' no probs. So, certainly worth a try.

Plenty of people commit crimes every day and never get caught. Maybe only 5% of people falsely filling in an ESTA get caught out (I have no idea of the actual percentage). If you're in the 95% who get away with it, you might think it was worth trying your luck. If you're in the small percentage that do get caught out your view might change.
 
I take your point that the ESTA asks about arrests and the legislation refers to convictions. Notwithstanding that, you are making a legal declaration and you can (will?) be prosecuted if caught out, as the opening screen of the ESTA application makes clear:

All information provided by you, or on your behalf by a designated third party, must be true and correct. An electronic travel authorization may be revoked at any time and for any reason, such as new information influencing eligibility. You may be subject to administrative or criminal penalties if you knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation in an electronic travel authorization application submitted by you or on your behalf.

Whether the US should be framing the question the way they have is neither here nor there.
I'd be interested in your opinion...

Also, are you saying that lying on the ESTA application is somehow grounds to refuse entry? Seems to me that the legislation is clear on the basis for admission or refusal, and it doesn't mention filling in forms incorrectly as a valid reason.
 
I'd be interested in your opinion...

Also, are you saying that lying on the ESTA application is somehow grounds to refuse entry? Seems to me that the legislation is clear on the basis for admission or refusal, and it doesn't mention filling in forms incorrectly as a valid reason.



Yes, lying on the form is grounds to refuse entry. You are committing an indictable criminal offence in Australia at least by making that statement. I am no expert on US law apart from the fact that they generally have similar laws to us. e.g. Fraud is against the law in both countries though the precise definition of what constitutes fraud or the proofs of the offence may very. I know the US can prosecute people who commit offences against the US so it is possible (though unlikely for a relatively minor matter) for the US Govt to seek your extradition to prosecute you. Doubtless there are some draconian offences under the Homeland Security Act that they could apply. We have similar laws in that as long as there is a geographical nexus between the offence and the jurisdiction, it is an offence e.g. in NSW you can commit an offence outside the state and be subject to NSW jurisdiction if the offence has effect within this state.

I have no doubt that apart from any criminal sanctions, making a false declaration would be grounds to refuse entry, given the sensitivity the Americans have concerning border protection.

Anyway here is what the US embassy in Canada says on the subject:

Criminal Ineligibility for a Visa or Entry into the United States

If you have any criminal record, no matter how minor or how long ago the offense, you may be refused a visa or entry to the United States. There may also be problems in traveling through U.S. airports. Under U.S. law, a pardon issued by Canadian authorities is not recognized for purposes of entry into the United States. Even though you may have entered the United States without hindrance in the past, you may be denied entry at a future date based upon disclosure/discovery of your criminality.
Not all criminal convictions create an ineligibility to enter the U.S., but any past criminal record must be declared. Attempting to gain entry without declaring that you have been arrested could result in a permanent ineligibility and/or detention at a U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) enforcement facility while a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer determines your admissibility.

From the Lonely Planet Website: Practical travel information on Visas in USA - Lonely Planet Travel Information


Grounds for exclusion & deportation

If on your visa application form you admit to being a subversive, smuggler, prostitute, junkie, terrorist or an ex-naz_, you may be excluded. You can also be refused a visa or entry to the USA if you have a ‘communicable disease of public health significance, ’ a criminal record or if you’ve ever made a false statement in connection with a US visa application. However, if these last three apply, you can request an exemption; many people are granted them and then given visas.
US immigration has a very broad definition of a criminal record. If you’ve ever been arrested or charged with an offense, that’s a criminal record, even if you were acquitted or discharged without conviction. Don’t attempt to enter through the Visa Waiver Program if you have a criminal record of any kind; *assume US authorities will find out about it.
Communicable diseases include tuberculosis, the Ebola virus, SARS and most particularly HIV. US immigration doesn’t test people for disease, but officials at the point of entry may question anyone about his or her health. They can exclude anyone whom they believe has a communicable disease, perhaps because they are carrying medical documents, prescriptions or AIDS/HIV medicine. Being gay is not a ground for exclusion; being an IV drug user is. Visitors may be deported if US immigration finds that they have HIV but did not declare it. Being HIV-positive is not a ground for deportation, but failing to provide accurate information on the visa application is.
Often USCIS will grant an exemption (a ‘waiver of ineligibility’) to a person who would normally be subject to exclusion, but this requires referral to a regional immigration office and can take some time (allow at least two months). If you’re tempted to conceal something, remember that US immigration is strictest of all about false statements. It will often view favorably an applicant who admits to an old criminal charge or a communicable disease, but it is extremely harsh on anyone who has ever attempted to mislead it, even on minor points. After you’re admitted to the USA, any evidence of a false statement to US immigration is grounds for deportationProspective visitors to whom grounds of exclusion may apply should consider their options before applying for a visa.
Entering the USA

If you have a non-US passport, you must complete an arrival/departure record (form I-94) before you reach the immigration desk. It’s usually handed out on the plane along with the customs declaration. For the question, ‘Address While in the United States, ’ give the address where you will spend the first night (a hotel address is fine).
No matter what your visa says, US immigration officers have an absolute authority to refuse admission to the USA or to impose conditions on admission. They will ask about your plans and whether you have sufficient funds; it’s a good idea to list an itinerary, produce an onward or round-trip ticket and have at least one major credit card. Showing that you have over $400 per week of your stay should be enough. Don’t make too much of having friends, relatives or business contacts in the USA; the immigration official may decide that this will make you more likely to overstay. It also helps to be neatly dressed and polite. If they think you’re OK, a six-month entry is usually approved.

From the Customs & Border Protection website:

If you apply for admission to the United States under the Visa Waiver Pilot Program, the decision of the officer is final. In cases involving fraud, willful misrepresentation, false claim to U.S. citizenship or lack of a valid immigrant visa for an intending immigrant, the officer's decision is final. [That is there is no right of appeal]

I think that pretty much covers what I have said. It is their country and they make the rules. We might think it is harsh and unreasonable, but that's just the way it is. So in summary, you take your chances if you lie or mislead on your ESTA or they even think you are, you can expect to be refused or detained.
 
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