Blocked seats on QF

[JohnK]

Finally we agree on something.

And what is that? If someone does not agree with your opinion then shoot the person down in flames?

If staff are travelling in premium cabins then they should not let everyone around them know they are there. They should be humble about the experience. They should not take up the best seats. They should not ask people to swap seats so they can sit together.

If I have a concern it is because I have experienced the wrong behaviourfrom staff a number of times. But we all know that staff behave perfectly at all times so I must be wrong. Right?

 

[Rebekkap]

And what is that? If someone does not agree with your opinion then shoot the person down in flames?

If staff are travelling in premium cabins then they should not let everyone around them know they are there. They should be humble about the experience. They should not take up the best seats. They should not ask people to swap seats so they can sit together.

If I have a concern it is because I have experienced the wrong behaviourfrom staff a number of times. But we all know that staff behave perfectly at all times so I must be wrong. Right?

Oh yes, the help should know their place /eyeroll.

 

[will2rob]

And what is that? If someone does not agree with your opinion then shoot the person down in flames?

Touchy aren't we? Sorry to rain on your parade, I wasn't actually disagreeing with you this time, I actually think Rebekkap's post IS funny (and spot on). And if the cap fits..........

If staff are travelling in premium cabins then they should not let everyone around them know they are there. They should be humble about the experience. They should not take up the best seats. They should not ask people to swap seats so they can sit together.

If I have a concern it is because I have experienced the wrong behaviourfrom staff a number of times. But we all know that staff behave perfectly at all times so I must be wrong. Right?

You're mixing up threads old mate, to try and justify your argument. On THIS thread, your issue appears to be that you don't like staff sitting in J, nothing about behaviour. Re-read your post #19 if you can't recall what you wrote a couple of days ago. I haven't seen any posts, on this thread or the other, supporting bad behaviour of staff when travelling.

 

[JohnK]

You're mixing up threads old mate, to try and justify your argument. On THIS thread, your issue appears to be that you don't like staff sitting in J, nothing about behaviour. Re-read your post #19 if you can't recall what you wrote a couple of days ago. I haven't seen any posts, on this thread or the other, supporting bad behaviour of staff when travelling.

Not confusing threads. Anyone that works for Qantas is staff, even cabin crew.

 

[medhead]

No idea but I know staff who have been flying j on transpac on staff travel

Due to a difference between arrangements on the international airline vs the domestic airline?

 

[Fruitcake]

Due to a difference between arrangements on the international airline vs the domestic airline?

Could be... I asked a deadheading pilot in 3A this morning if he was allowed to sit in the J cabin (load was 4/8). He said no, deadheading was strictly Y only.

 

[JohnK]

Oh yes, the help should know their place /eyeroll.

Wow.

I think staff should not travel in premium cabins and you think they should.

I think if staff do travel in premium cabins then they should be well behaved and not make it known to all around them they are staff travelling in premium cabins but you think they should be allowed to do anything they want.

I give up. Enough of the insults from you and your 2 friends. Nothing more to discuss with you.

 

[medhead]

Wow.

I think staff should not travel in premium cabins and you think they should.

I think if staff do travel in premium cabins then they should be well behaved and not make it known to all around them they are staff travelling in premium cabins but you think they should be allowed to do anything they want.

I give up. Enough of the insults from you and your 2 friends. Nothing more to discuss with you.

You're not really helping your case. I agree with you to some extent, as I have a couple of examples where staff may have been put in front of paying customers. More due to mates looking after mates than any official policy. So I agree that staff before customers is wrong. But (big but) I cannot agree that no staff member should be allowed in premium cabins. If they give customers first dibs on the premium seats and then later put staff in when the seats are going to be empty, I really do not have a problem with that at all.

 

[mickeyc747]

I have had people on staff travel from SYD to OOL and an entire staff members family was upgraded to J and scattered through the cabin, the mother tried to move people in the J cabin and the CSM politely but firmly said no take your assigned seats, then apologised to us for a person on staff travel trying to rearrange the J cabin.

 

[Steelo]

John, You are entitled to your opinion. I partly agree - if QF staff travel in J it should be discreet and not disadvantage QF customers. I often travel Cairns - Bris or Syd and invariably the J class seats are occupied by Staff. This has an immediate impact of not being able to get points upgrades from full fares. Last week I travelled in J full fare paying and half the cabin was occupied by staff. They received full service and in some instances ahead of full paying customers. The also swapped documents across passengers to each other - on asking what it was I was told it was their reports they wanted to get completed. It is hard to get a oints upgrade on these flights and I always notice that staff occupying seats. No problems with staff peaks - but QF should look after their customers first.

Wow.

I think staff should not travel in premium cabins and you think they should.

I think if staff do travel in premium cabins then they should be well behaved and not make it known to all around them they are staff travelling in premium cabins but you think they should be allowed to do anything they want.

I give up. Enough of the insults from you and your 2 friends. Nothing more to discuss with you.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Due to a difference between arrangements on the international airline vs the domestic airline?

confirmed, domestic/short haul is Y, for AUH and LAX they can get J

 

[will2rob]

Wow.

I think staff should not travel in premium cabins and you think they should.

I think if staff do travel in premium cabins then they should be well behaved and not make it known to all around them they are staff travelling in premium cabins but you think they should be allowed to do anything they want.

I give up. Enough of the insults from you and your 2 friends. Nothing more to discuss with you.

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If you're going to post your opinion for the benefit of all, at least be consistent. Your issue, as articulated in this thread in earlier posts, is that staff shouldn't be allowed to travel in J. Let me refresh your memory:

Something does not quite sit right with me when I see the smug look of an FA sitting in business. It is worse when more than one of them are sitting in the business cabin and seated together. Perhaps they are saying it is now their turn to be pampered. I think it is arrogant and not a good look for business. Especially when the focus of the CSM is on the FA's and not the passengers.


As for normal Qantas employees I could not care any less what is written in their conditions. They should only ever have a cheap seat if there is absolutely no chance someone wants to upgrade or more importantly wants to pay for that seat. Want to go on holidays then pay the same as everyone else?

Now it appears you are trying to confabulate your earlier stance by throwing in bad behaviour by staff. No one on this thread has said that staff shouldn't be well behaved or take priority over paying pax, but that is not what you wrote earlier.

Don't misrepresent my position by inaccurate paraphrasing. I don't "think that staff should travel in premium cabins" I frankly don't care if they do or don't, as long as I have got what I paid for, I am not that petty that I worry what others have got or where they sit.

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[straitman]

I have had people on staff travel from SYD to OOL and an entire staff members family was upgraded to J and scattered through the cabin, the mother tried to move people in the J cabin and the CSM politely but firmly said no take your assigned seats, then apologised to us for a person on staff travel trying to rearrange the J cabin.

That is worth a report to Qantas management IMHO.

John, You are entitled to your opinion. I partly agree - if QF staff travel in J it should be discreet and not disadvantage QF customers. I often travel Cairns - Bris or Syd and invariably the J class seats are occupied by Staff. This has an immediate impact of not being able to get points upgrades from full fares. Last week I travelled in J full fare paying and half the cabin was occupied by staff. They received full service and in some instances ahead of full paying customers. The also swapped documents across passengers to each other - on asking what it was I was told it was their reports they wanted to get completed. It is hard to get a oints upgrade on these flights and I always notice that staff occupying seats. No problems with staff peaks - but QF should look after their customers first.

I really think you are barking up the wrong tree with this. I agree with the first sentence but really not beyond that.

Staff in the J cabin can be for a variety of reasons which vary from a positioning flight prior to duty through to being given the remaining J seats that were not otherwise sold or allocated for upgrades by yield management. It, if you believe in the integrity of the system, has no impact on your upgrade availability. A basic understanding of yield management helps in these discussions.

 

[JohnK]

If you're going to post your opinion for the benefit of all, at least be consistent. Your issue, as articulated in this thread in earlier posts, is that staff shouldn't be allowed to travel in J. Let me refresh your memory:

I am allowed an opinion. My opinion is not there to be insulted and attacked regardless of how wrong you think I am.

You and your 2 friends have made your stance clear. Nothing more to discuss with your either.

 

[mannej]

I am allowed an opinion. My opinion is not there to be insulted and attacked regardless of how wrong you think I am.

You and your 2 friends have made your stance clear. Nothing more to discuss with your either.

Everyone is allowed an opinion John. However, suggesting that posters on here are friends just because they disagree with you is a form of insulting behaviour...

 

[straitman]

Calm down please people :!:

 

[Rebekkap]

Wow.

I think staff should not travel in premium cabins and you think they should.

I think if staff do travel in premium cabins then they should be well behaved and not make it known to all around them they are staff travelling in premium cabins but you think they should be allowed to do anything they want.

I give up. Enough of the insults from you and your 2 friends. Nothing more to discuss with you.

You are in fact putting words in my mouth. I have not expressed an opinion about whether staff should be allowed to travel in premium cabins - in fact I never really thought about it before.

Now that I've thought about it, I tend to agree with others who've expressed that staff should be allowed to travel in those cabins if there are spare seats but not at the expense of paying passengers.

What I objected to was not your opinion, but that fact that you said "They should be humble..." Why should they be "humble"?? Why should ANYONE have to act humble, unless you think some people are better/more important than others? I don't believe that, I think it's an old fashioned, "the help should know their place" attitude that I think has no place in the modern world.

And I have certainly never suggested staff travelling in any cabin should "be allowed to do anything they want". They are representing the company they work for; they should behave professionally.

PS I've never, as far as I know, met anyone from this forum in person, so it's a bit of a stretch to call us friends just because we happen to all disagree with you.

 

[QPProletarian]

OP seems to just be asking about why fully paid passengers are subject to a more restricted seat map than others on lower classes of travel, eg. staff travel or award tickets. I don't believe they were questioning the eligibility or staff benefits at all. Presumably, the staff seats should be assigned last?

I've often wondered similar things about the yield management. I've never noticed any difference flying on a Flexi fare in economy vs. Red E-Deal or even an award, so don't really see much of a point in paying any extra for an economy ticket than the minimum Red E-Deal sale fare (unless I really need a flexible one for work). Then again, pretty much all of my travel is self-funded.

How QF yield management works on a per-plane basis still beats me (outside of advance seat selection - even then, seems to be status related not how much you paid). American Airlines is much more refreshingly transparent with their seating and boarding.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

OP seems to just be asking about why fully paid passengers are subject to a more restricted seat map than others on lower classes of travel, eg. staff travel or award tickets. I don't believe they were questioning the eligibility or staff benefits at all. Presumably, the staff seats should be assigned last?

I've often wondered similar things about the yield management. I've never noticed any difference flying on a Flexi fare in economy vs. Red E-Deal or even an award, so don't really see much of a point in paying any extra for an economy ticket than the minimum Red E-Deal sale fare (unless I really need a flexible one for work). Then again, pretty much all of my travel is self-funded.

How QF yield management works on a per-plane basis still beats me (outside of advance seat selection). American Airlines is much more refreshingly transparent with their seating and boarding.

Staff seats would be allocated on the day from what is left. If someone has pre selected 3a they will be left there.