Are some AFF members "blind" to the Foibles of their 'favorite' carrier?

[ckck]

Re: First refurbished 767 enters service end of the month

For the record I just booked a Jetstar flight that does not involve a visit to a F lounge - someone get me my meds :shock:

Crikey, what on earth came over you? How on earth are you ever going to cope?

 

[lovestotravel]

Re: First refurbished 767 enters service end of the month

Feel free, everyone is entitled to express their opinion which is neither right or wrong, its just an opinion about the choices they have a right to make!

For the record I just booked a Jetstar flight that does not involve a visit to a F lounge - someone get me my meds :shock:

I know, but I was sounding like a broken record

I hope that Jetstar flight at least involved a price match ?

 

[markis10]

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Crikey, what on earth came over you? How on earth are you ever going to cope?

SIN-KUL, at least its a short one and at $20, beats the bus.

 

[dfcatch]

People complain and complain and complain about QF and QFF yet continue to use/invest in it.

I know its the biggest airline and FF program in Australia but it irritates me how QF-centric this site is. So many endless threads outside the QFF forum on AFF from members who seem to think the only international route in the world is to LHR on QF.

The reality is that the QF-centric nature of the site reflects the QF overall market share and position in Australian aviation. QF is the dominant carrier period.

Now - if your main route is Int and Aus-LHR and you're flying from SYD - then yes you have lots of options.

But add in any port other than SYD, any domestic flying, or a full range of destinations - and most FFs would in a large percentage of cases - have trouble avoiding QF.

Those that do have made a deliberate leap to do so.

The fact remains that QF is the only Australian-based program that's a member of the 3 global alliances.

Until that changes - QF will remain the dominant force.

The QF centric nature of threads on this site reflects that.

If you want a board that is non-localized and has a higher quantum of members of other programs (with first-hand knowledge to share) - then try FT.

 

[medhead]

oh you are still bringing that up? is it that hard for you to believe??? i did point out that the time it didn't really work i did complain and i did receive a response with an apology. I also pointed out that PB on virgin failed once as well and although not as many flights were with virgin, to me they are on an equal par. so if you don't believe me fine, but get off your high horse about shills. I am not one. as i pointed out which you again ignored, i have complained to Qantas numerous times in the past about different things, so i certainly don't have "rose coloured glasses" that you seem to think I have.

What I find amusing is being labelled a shill for rightly pointing out the obvious flaws in a poll, for example. Then when a bit more reading is done that disproves the shill label, instead of accepting the mistake and moving on, suddenly more derogatory comments are made in an apparent attempt to continue applying the shill label to people.

 

[straitman]

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I personally hate VA, I find their staff rude and I feel like they're a 'chimp in a suit'. i.e their staff still have a LCC frame of mind that they desperately try to mask behind faux CL lounges and purple cabin dividers.

I am surprised no one has asked. When did you last fly with Virgin Australia :?:

 

[burmans]

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I recall, a few years back, I had a member of my team who was new to working in a role where she was required to do a substantial amount of overseas travel. I had to virtually force her to book J, rather than Y. (In fact, I changed some of her bookings myself to make sure she was going to be in J!) I explained to her that there were two reasons for this:

1. to ensure that she was well-rested and in a good frame of mind to work when she reached her destination
2. because I/the company valued her work, and valued her as an individual. Therefore, her comfort was valued, too, and that mattered to me. (I told her that she should value herself more highly than to cram herself into Y for long haul flights).

In relation to the value of business travel versus personal travel - my attitude has always been that I don't expect my organisation to treat me in a better way than I treat myself. If I fly J when I'm paying (which I do), I expect that my organisation will fly me J when it is paying. I don't expect it to treat me better - or worse - than I treat myself.

If I was to fly in a more expensive class, stay at a better hotel, or rent a more expensive car because the company is paying, then I would consider that to be unethical, and as Tony Hancock said, "milking" the company. I wouldn't want someone with that attitude working for me.

Now I really don't get it. First you tell us how how you had to virtually force an employee to travel J when she clearly felt uncomfortable doing so, maybe thats because thats not the way she normally treats herself.

But then you expect them to fly (or stay) in the same fashion as they would do so themselves. So it's alright when you say they should do it, but if they do it it's "milking" the company. So which is it, she should travel economy because thats what she is used to (and does for herself) or she should travel J because you think she should?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The fact remains that QF is the only Australian-based program that's a member of the 3 global alliances.

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True.

I am sure that many do not appreciate that they can:

* fly domestic in Australia and award BIS points to AA and KF.
* run multiple FF programs. Indeed doing this allows one to optimise both "Earn" and "Burn" to achieve an "out-perform".
* gain great benefit by using QF partners and the Onewold Alliance (ie the average QFF Member has no idea about Oneworld Awards.

Qantas is the dominant player in Australia...however as in many things in life, better value is often achieved by not using the dominant company.

Being a sheep, is comfortble for the sheep. But who wants to be a sheep

 

[Sprucegoose]

True.

I am sure that many do not appreciate that they can:

* fly domestic in Australia and award BIS points to AA and KF.
* run multiple FF programs. Indeed doing this allows one to optimise both "Earn" and "Burn" to achieve an "out-perform".
* gain great benefit by using QF partners and the Onewold Alliance (ie the average QFF Member has no idea about Oneworld Awards.

Qantas is the dominant player in Australia...however as in many things in life, better value is often achieved by not using the dominant company.

Being a sheep, is comfortble for the sheep. But who wants to be a sheep

not sure if I follow the sheep analogy, it's a comprehensive program and for that reason people use it. A look of people wear Nike.are they sheep as well?


Maybe our member Ksheep may have an opinion??!

 

[AVC]

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. Those that want to milk travel at the company's expense are likely to milk the business elsewhere so have no place on my team.

Unless of course you are a dairy farmer.


As a non business flyer, it makes sense to pick a brand and maximise the savings gained by using the loyalty scheme to it's fullest. Sure, I mainly fly Qantas, but I certainly don't blindly follow them. If I can get a better deal elsewhere (preferably a partner airline) I'll go with it. But it's not always about price either. There ae many more factors than the bottom line.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

not sure if I follow the sheep analogy, it's a comprehensive program and for that reason people use it. A look of people wear Nike.are they sheep as well?


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What I meant was that many people just use it blindly and join it think it is the only choice...hence the sheep analogy.

It is not to say that a minority don't use QFF in a way that achieves out-performance. Just that most don't, and that most give know great thouht which programs that they should belong to, or even that there are others that they can belong too.

 

[medhead]

What I meant was that many people just use it blindly and join it think it is the only choice...hence the sheep analogy.

It is not to say that a minority don't use QFF in a way that achieves out-performance. Just that most don't, and that most give know great thouht which programs that they should belong to, or even that there are others that they can belong too.

Which is hardly a relevant comment about members of AFF. Do you really believe that AFF members a sheep who blindly join QFF?

 

[samh004]

Which is hardly a relevant comment about members of AFF. Do you really believe that AFF members a sheep who blindly join QFF?

A lot of members do join this site so they can get corporate rates on their QP-access, but the active community, those posting here, I wouldn't say blindly join anything.

 

[medhead]

A lot of members do join this site so they can get corporate rates on their QP-access, but the active community, those posting here, I wouldn't say blindly join anything.

Indeed and I was probably also reflecting on some of the comments here seemingly being directed at those active members.

 

[drron]

A lot of members do join this site so they can get corporate rates on their QP-access, but the active community, those posting here, I wouldn't say blindly join anything.

Of course not.I blindly join everything!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Which is hardly a relevant comment about members of AFF. Do you really believe that AFF members a sheep who blindly join QFF?

My comment was about QFF Members as a whole. AFF would be in the minority I was referring to.

 

[medhead]

My comment was about QFF Members as a whole. AFF would be in the minority I was referring to.

Understood.

Still the title of the thread refers to AFF members.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Re: First refurbished 767 enters service end of the month

Now I really don't get it. First you tell us how how you had to virtually force an employee to travel J when she clearly felt uncomfortable doing so, maybe thats because thats not the way she normally treats herself.

But then you expect them to fly (or stay) in the same fashion as they would do so themselves. So it's alright when you say they should do it, but if they do it it's "milking" the company. So which is it, she should travel economy because thats what she is used to (and does for herself) or she should travel J because you think she should?

You've missed the point. If your employer directs you to fly in a certain class, that's one thing. My point was - someone who makes a decision to upgrade purely because they are not paying for it themselves is milking the system.

 

[dfcatch]

Of course not.I blindly join everything!

Hi my name is dfcatch and it's been xx_ days since I blindly joined xx airline and xx hotel program due to AFF.

In all seriousness - I'm not blindly loyal to QF.

I'm a proud VA member (ex-plat), about to redeem my first premium VA TT award.
I'm a proud NZ member, well not so proud now that I'm only *Silver.
I'm a very proud Turkish Airlines member - I think they have a fantastic FF program.
I'm a big fan of AAdvantage.
I have membership with AC.

So as you can see I'm not blindly loyal to QF.

Now - removing my tongue from my cheek - as I've said several times - if VA joined Star Alliance then QF would probably lose my considerable (by my personal standards) spend with them and take my business to VA.

 

[Sprucegoose]

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I am sensibly loyal not blindly loyal,that would be just sheer stupidity. Qantas and I have a robust workable arrangement. I pay them and they get me there safely.