Should under 3YO fly commercial services?

[Berlin]

majority of parents do

I seem to only very rarely encounter that oh-so big majority, strange that! And once again, no need TO YELL AT ME- I can understand that it must be really hard for you to encounter an opposing opinion on the matter but it's not need for unnecessary aggression.

 

[nlagalle]

I seem to only very rarely encounter that oh-so big majority, strange that! And once again, no need TO YELL AT ME- I can understand that it must be really hard for you to encounter an opposing opinion on the matter but it's not need for unnecessary aggression.

If i was yelling at you berlin, i would use CAPS LOCK!. I am highlighting the parts you seem to be missing. I've encountered minority opinions plenty of times, but this likens to the chemtrail nutters... minority belief that is oh so totally wrong!

 

[BadgerBoi]

Oh no. I did have a nightmarish experience with one of mine.

Careful now, you're risking permanent suspension, I'm sure that's a breach of TOS

 

[Mgjdubs]

Lol. You basically say out loud that only because you happen to be in the majority, you can tell anyone who doesn't fit that majority to suck up the noise and nuisance that your badly behaved kids make so that you can have a nice life on the cost of others. Just read your own words- you even say it! It's pretty clear to me who is the ones selfish, bigoted and intolerant here and it's certainly not me!

I'd actually put it to you that you're the one attacking a minority: children. Does that make you feel better?

 

[Pushka]

Careful now, you're risking permanent suspension, I'm sure that's a breach of TOS

I know. But sometimes a bit of honesty is a good thing

 

[BadgerBoi]

I know. But sometimes a bit of honesty is a good thing

not to mention humour! At least the seat reclining thread had a good bit of light relief, this one is just nasty.

 

[Berlin]

I'd actually put it to you that you're the one attacking a minority: children. Does that make you feel better?

Yea, because the little cry machines and their parents who are neither capable nor willing to take responsibility for them are in the minority now? Good joke

I'm just sitting here laughing at your miserable attempts to cling to your distorted view of reality. Not sure if it's sad or funny, really.

 

[Pushka]

I'm just sitting here laughing at your miserable attempts to cling to your distorted view of reality. Not sure if it's sad or funny, really.

I think you're just bored because you don't like cricket.

 

[Berlin]

I think you're just bored because you don't like cricket.

Yes I am bored and also correct, I couldn't care less about cricket. However, where the causality between the two are, is a riddle to me: Plenty of things to do other than wasting time watching tele. Wasting time on the net for example

 

[yo yo ma]

I's interesting how many of the comments here are borderline schizophrenic...

Yes, it sure is

 

[Pushka]

Yes I am bored and also correct, I couldn't care less about cricket. However, where the causality between the two are, is a riddle to me: Plenty of things to do other than wasting time watching tele. Wasting time on the net for example

Exactly my point.

I'm bored too. Had enough cricket. And it's stinking hot.

 

[burmans]

I don't really understand how it is selfish to take a child with you on an aircraft. Personally, I don't think the notion of excluding 12.8% of the total population (according to the Australia Bureau of Statistics 2011 census data) is particularly fair at all. Now, there are almost 5.7 million families in Australia, with an average of 1.9 children per family and out of the 5.5 million households in Australia, 71.5% are family households, who at one point or an other, may have travelled in the past with young children, or may want to in the travel with young children in future.

And you think those young children, and by result, the rest of their family, shouldn't be able to travel by a method of public transport? I really would implore you to explain, for the benefit of the majority (who's households make up almost three quarters of total households in all of the Commonwealth), how the notion outlined in your previous comments is not completely devoid of any ignorance or selfishness, and how the desire for the majority to travel with their young children is so clearly selfish.

This is the crux of the argument here though, ignoring the personal comments. 71.5% of the population may want to travel with young children at some time (it's probably more given grandparents might want to take kids on trips too), Berlin believe they are selfish to do so when underage but can't understand why other might think he is selfish for wanting to restrict them, i.e. he thinks his opinion is imprtant than others which is why he keeps running the line about the majority.

Sorry Berlin but as other have pointed out this is public transportation so the opinion of the majority does count. I'd like a private bus that picks me up when I want and drops me door to door, but I'm well aware this wont happen, that not the role of public transportation and neither is it to appease a minority opinion such as you hold. You are welcome to have an opinion but it would appear to be largely irrelevant.

On the issue of your opinion, I totally agree that you have the right to have and publish your opinion but that same right applies to everyone else as well. On philosophical grounds if you want the right to hold and publish view that others find offensive then you need to accept that people will hold (and publish) views that you find offensive. I can absolutely agree that some of the responses to you have been expressed in an emotional and potentially offensive way but given others have obviously found your comments offensive and you are unprepared to resile from them, I can't see why you would expect others to do what you want. Or is freedom of speech a right you think is only for yourself and people who agree with you?

 

[medhead]

I'm still trying to work out how calling people ego-centric, irresponsible child abusers is not a personal attack.

As Berlin holds a German passport, IIRC from another thread and given the trauma caused to my nephew by the German education system I'm not surprised by the ignorant comments about child behaviour and health. They are similar to the reasoning given in German schools.

Anyway, gotta love the self confidence of someone who doesn't have children to claim to know best about how to look after children. Shame it is a false self confidence. Really the OP does have the first clue about looking after children. It's ironic to be lectured by such a person on the basis of their opinion derived from ignorance of the subject. For example apparently a bit of short term minor discomfort traumatises children for life. Funny thing is no one recommends wrapping children in cotton wool and making them stay at home. No one is making me keep my children inside on this 44 degree day, they haven't cancelled the swimming lesson. Still perhaps the OPs opinion on life time trauma explains a lot.

There is also the fact that the only child that has ever caused me issues on an aircraft was German. That was the useless father who sat their like a lump and did nothing to help the mother comfort the child. Perhaps he was trying to avoid lifetime trauma due to the discomfort of taking on his responsibilities.

Quite happy for them to keep sprouting their opinion but that will never change the fact that it is wrong. Certainly there is only one distorted view of reality being expressed in this thread.

 

[Berlin]

I can absoultely agree that some of the responses to you have been expressed ain an emotional and potentially offensive waybut given others have obviously found your comments offensive and you are unprepared to resile from them, I can't see why you would expect others to do what you want. Or is freedom of speech a right you think is only for yourself and people who agree with you?

No, not at all- everyone can say what they want, I have developed a very hard skin over the years. I don't disagree with the third paragraph of your post above- it's fair enough in my eyes.

 

[Berlin]

I'd actually put it to you that you're the one attacking a minority: children. Does that make you feel better?

That's actually a funny comment. Some try to pull the schoolyard bully argument ("You're just a minority and have to obey to us child lovers who have special rights because we are everywhere") and then again when this doesn't get me intimidated (not in the slightest, by the way...), then some others like the above tries to turn around the argument and suddenly claim that the families with children are the minority.

I find this quite amusing because it only becomes too obvious that all these "arguments" are clearly used so that we can at all cost avoid acknowledging that parents should take responsibility for their children. Too uncomfortable of a truth that is for many, it seems

 

[Berlin]

given the trauma caused to my nephew by the German education system

Oh, now we pull a good dose of xenophobia into the argument as logical sense doesn't get us very far? Lol, good joke.

And the comment about the German education system comes from someone in a country where a huge proportion of its population is shamefully uneducated, second probably only to the US when it comes to the low levels of general knowledge and where, worse even a good part of its schools are managed by the church? ROFL, seriously!

 

[Mgjdubs]

I find this quite amusing because it only becomes too obvious that all these "arguments" are clearly used so that we can at all cost avoid acknowledging that parents should take responsibility for their children. Too uncomfortable of a truth that is for many, it seems

Don't actually recall having said people shouldn't control their children. Nor has anyone here, I don't believe. Maybe some remedial English classes might be in order for you?

 

[Berlin]

If all people did control them properly, then I wouldn't even have to whinge. Unfortunately- this is far from reality, even in J.

Maybe some remedial English classes might be in order for you?

Given that English is only my second language, this is such a cheap punch below the belt that I won't even go down to the same stupid level of argument.

 

[medhead]

Oh, now we pull a good dose of xenophobia into the argument as logical sense doesn't get us very far? Lol, good joke.

And the comment about the German education system comes from someone in a country where a huge proportion of its population is shamefully uneducated, second probably only to the US when it comes to the low levels of general knowledge and where, worse even a good part of its schools are managed by the church? ROFL, seriously!

Whose brother has lived in Germany for 11 years and whose nephew was born in Germany and who suffered in the German education system. I already mentioned this with my comment as it is a relevant experience. Unlike your irrelevant comment here.

Oh BTW xenophobia is a fear of outsiders (or whatever). Acknowledging the characteristics of a particular nation, that seem rather coincidentally related to the views you're expressing is not fear. It is a simple observation. I'm certainly not scared or Germans.

 

[Berlin]

Whose brother has lived in Germany for 11 years and whose nephew was born in Germany and who suffered in the German education system. I already mentioned this with my comment as it is a relevant experience. Unlike your comment irrelevant comment here.

What's comment irrelevant comment...?

Anyway- no idea where you are coming from but you are speaking in riddles to me. But given the more often than not quite dismal quality of general education here in Australia, I wouldn't lean myself too far out of the window with this one if I was you.

Btw- can we go back to topic? I don't think the difference between education systems in Australia and Germany are really part of this topic, whatever weird connection you are trying to make here.