O'Farrell suggests Canberra airport as Sydney's second airport

[Platinum A332]

Since no one in Australia will ever have the political courage to build a second airport, why not do what has been done in cities such as HKG and build a third runway in the existing Sydney Airport - could be possible as Caltex plans to close Kurnell soon, or even by just extending the runways out further into Botany Bay.

There should be a plan effective immediately to reduce the curfew operating hours so it only operates Midnight or 1am-5am (or even abolish the damn curfew for quieter new aircraft such as the A380 and B787). By reducing the curfew, this opens new opportunities to expand flights into Asia, similar to how there is a huge bank of overnight flights from Melbourne into Asia. And this will be where most of the international growth will come for Australia into the future.

Second, build a high speed railway Brisbane-Newcastle-Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne. This would relieve pressure off Sydney airport without the need to build a second airport. Road and Air travel can coexist.

Canberra is NOT an alternative airport for Sydney. In the same way Munich is not an alternative for Frankfurt, Houston is not an alternative for Dallas and Washington is not an alternative for New York.


And to the whingers who live near Sydney Airport. You knowlingly live near an airport so GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT! <--- Acknowledged - too harsh, apologies

 

[JohnK]

Name it Sydney-Canberra Airport. Problem solved. Wouldn't be the first time an airport has been named after two cities. And a VHS train into Sydney, with a stop on the way for access to the west and south. This is a bold suggestion that I'd support.

And you would be happy to connect (LAX-CBR)--(SYD-CNS)?

I love collecting miles but I would not want to stop off in CBR before heading back to SYD on a train and then getting picked up to go home....

 

[JohnK]

And to the whingers who live near Sydney Airport. You knowlingly live near an airport so GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT!

I am sorry but this deserves special mention.

I have lived in SYD since 1972 and I am near the airport. Never had an issue until the @rsehole Howard got into government and shifted all flight paths from the 3 Liberal electorates north of Sydney to the 3 labour electorates in south Sydney. That was a joke and should not have been allowed.

Restore the old flight paths over Liberal electorates and I will stop whinging about SYD airport and flight paths! Deal?

 

[drron]

I am sorry but this deserves special mention.

I have lived in SYD since 1972 and I am near the airport. Never had an issue until the @rsehole Howard got into government and shifted all flight paths from the 3 Liberal electorates north of Sydney to the 3 labour electorates in south Sydney. That was a joke and should not have been allowed.

Restore the old flight paths over Liberal electorates and I will stop whinging about SYD airport and flight paths! Deal?

Sorry John but I have to disagree.I was raised in Lane Cove.This is in the Bennelong electorate which John Howard represented.The changes in flight paths affected our family home so it wasn't all transferred to Labour electorates.

 

[medhead]

Or any other infrastructure project.

Only need to look at the NBN to see the truth in that statement.


Sent from the Throne

 

[Batesy]

And to the whingers who live near Sydney Airport. You knowlingly live near an airport so GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT!

Yes I knowingly live near the airport. In fact I bought under the flight path less than two years ago. I live with the planes and the associated noise. Its convenient for myself and Mrs batesy as we both travel a lot for work.
Had there been no curfew however I probably would not have bought this house in Leichhardt. So don't call me a whinger because I chose to live under a set of circumstances that are not meant to change.
1am to 5am??? Bloody hell what time do you go to bed on a school night?

 

[Platinum A332]

Looking at my original post, I was too harsh in my wording and I apologise for offending anyone - it was by no means a personal attack.

To clarify I do think the curfew as it stands (be it because of location reasons of the airport or otherwise) is contributing to hindering growth. I still think limited departures in the 11pm-1am bracket should be allowed as a short-term measure, before a new airport is built. An approach like with HND in Tokyo that allows limited late night departures might be feasible. And this could be further reduced to certain types of aircraft to minimise noise disturbance, and only certain flight paths could be utilised to minimise noise disturbance also.

I just get a bit angry at some (not those on this forum) who oppose airports on noise grounds just for the sake of opposing airports without considering economic and social losses that may result.

 

[turtlemichael]

And you would be happy to connect (LAX-CBR)--(SYD-CNS)?

I love collecting miles but I would not want to stop off in CBR before heading back to SYD on a train and then getting picked up to go home....

Under my plan I would be flying LAX-SYD-CNS. SYD would be the new expanded Sydney-Canberra airport and Kingsford Smith would be a very expensive housing estate on fabulous Botany Bay. The sale of the real estate would just about pay for the vfs train. And I'd even pick up a few more miles for the lax-syd-cns run than I do now. Too easy. My bet is that you, or your children, will not be using Kingsford Smith even in the medium term.

 

[anat0l]

Permit me to express frustration, but, "Here we bl**dy go again". And frankly that's not even close to describing the level of my emotions.

We have had this debate ad nauseum about what to do about expanding aviation operations at SYD and all that has happened is a whole lot of posturing from every "interested party" under the sun followed by absolutely no movement on progressing anything whatsoever, be it strategic, financial, infrastructural or legislative.

This idea is not new. O'Farrell hasn't suggested anything new with this proposal, and Albanese once again continues to show that he's all talk but no solution.

This is just a newspaper (excuse me, toilet paper) filler, really. I'd say that until someone has a firm commitment to do something about this, go away and don't bother us with your clap trap.

There are numerous threads on AFF about SYD and the second airport. All the old arguments are arising again here, and the "new contributions" are the same old arguments. This thread is a waste of time and server space.

 

[JohnK]

Sorry John but I have to disagree.I was raised in Lane Cove.This is in the Bennelong electorate which John Howard represented.The changes in flight paths affected our family home so it wasn't all transferred to Labour electorates.

Sorry Doc but the first thing Howard did when he got into power was shift the flight paths from the 3 Liberal electorates to the
north to the 3 Labour electorates to the south....

 

[Awesom Andy]

The first regular flights from Mascot was in the mid 1920s. By the 1970s, 747s have been flying into SYD, with the runway extended to become one of the longest in the southern hemisphere at that point in time. Seriously, anyone who bought land/houses after this time should have no right or privilege to complain about aircraft noise - it's not like you didn't know there's an airport there.

 

[munitalP]

While taking Medhead signature advice, I have come up with an idea that should suit all including anat0l.

Float planes. 737f, 747f, A320hr (in honour of the Hudson River landing), eek380f and of course the A330f.

Land out in the Tasman, have battery operated tugs (keeps the noise down so the locals can hear the road noise, industry noise and the sound of the laughing Kurnel desal owners) and tow the new float planes into a specially made hangar.

Now there's an idea. Maybe I should run for a seat in power.

 

[drron]

Sorry Doc but the first thing Howard did when he got into power was shift the flight paths from the 3 Liberal electorates to the
north to the 3 Labour electorates to the south....

Then why did I hear much more aircraft noise when staying with my parents after the changes?To fly over the ALP seat of Grayndler from the north they really had to fly over Bennelong.

 

[drron]

While taking Medhead signature advice, I have come up with an idea that should suit all including anat0l.

Float planes. 737f, 747f, A320hr (in honour of the Hudson River landing), eek380f and of course the A330f.

Land out in the Tasman, have battery operated tugs (keeps the noise down so the locals can hear the road noise, industry noise and the sound of the laughing Kurnel desal owners) and tow the new float planes into a specially made hangar.

Now there's an idea. Maybe I should run for a seat in power.

Bring back the Rose Bay Flying boat base!

 

[serfty]

I am sorry but this deserves special mention.

I have lived in SYD since 1972 and I am near the airport. Never had an issue until ... Howard got into government and shifted all flight paths from the 3 Liberal electorates north of Sydney to the 3 labour electorates in south Sydney. That was a joke and should not have been allowed.

Restore the old flight paths over Liberal electorates and I will stop whinging about SYD airport and flight paths! Deal?

You still believe that don't you ... and you believe nothing has changed since then ... I know you'll won't alter your view. However, I do not believe that to be the case.

The main thing that was changed was to fan flight paths out rather that have them concentrated, using flight paths over water as much as possible and to rotate runway operation giving a fairer distribution of aircraft noise pollution around the area. This was while the liberal government was in power.

In any case Albanese could be at it now - see this thread: (http://www.australianfrequentflyer..../sydney-airport-curfew-change-call-36464.html)

 

[medhead]

While taking Medhead signature advice, I have come up with an idea that should suit all including anat0l.

In should have been in Latin to truely follow my advice.

Bring back the Rose Bay Flying boat base!

I would second that suggestion and note that when I type SYD in to [some online flight tool - maybe expertflyer] Rose Bay comes up as an option.


Sent from the Throne

 

[drron]

Just to go a little OT-ie situation normal-here is a link to some great shots of the flying boat service to Lord howe island.In the 60s many a time i found myself at Rose Bay to witness these birds.If you are interested in Aviation history and pictures this is a great site-
Lord Howe Island flying boats
But back OT and if you are interested in History here is a Government synopsis of the second airport issue-
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo...on/pdf#search="second+sydney+airport+history"

 

[Wannabee]

Put the second airport in Nowra - wait there is already one there. Upgrade the train line and schedule from Sydney to Nowra. Would suit me

 

[Sprucegoose]

Would a Qantas First Lounge be built in Canberra?

Yes, of course.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Sorry Doc but the first thing Howard did when he got into power was shift the flight paths from the 3 Liberal electorates to the
north to the 3 Labour electorates to the south....

And if he didn't, he should have!!