IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALAEA

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Joyce on ABC24 live presser now.

Changes for 13/14 Oct

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[h=1]Industrial relations update (Alan Joyce Speech)[/h]Sydney, 13 October 2011
APOLOGY TO CUSTOMERS
Thanks for coming.
The first thing I want to do is apologise to our customers once again.
Today, union strike action has already targeted our customers travelling on the morning peak.
Further stoppages will affect travellers this afternoon and tonight.
We anticipate a total of 6,800 passengers will be affected.
This is part of a coordinated campaign by three unions representing the long-haul pilots, the licensed engineers, and ramp and baggage handlers and catering staff.
We are doing our best to minimise the impact on our customers by notifying them of revised schedules, putting on bigger aircraft where possible, and mobilising our contingency workforce to keep Qantas flying.
We will continue to do all we can to absorb the pressure and keep on delivering for our customers.
Tomorrow the licensed engineers aim to disrupt the travel plans of a further 7,600 domestic and international customers out of Sydney airport at its Friday peak, including those trying to get to the rugby in New Zealand.
To mitigate this action, we have just issued a new schedule for tomorrow.
As you know, the unions have used the cynical tactic of announcing strike action and then calling it off at the last minute.
But airlines are complex operations that can’t just be turned on and off.
And our customers’ travel plans can’t be turned on and off either.
Our aim is to maintain operational reliability, and provide certainty for our customers, despite the union attempts to cause chaos.
WEEKS OF DAMAGING ACTION
We have now faced many weeks of industrial action:
- Numerous strikes - both actual and threatened - by ground handlers and licensed engineers have caused mass disruption to our customers and our business.
- Our on-time performance has fallen sharply from 87% four weeks ago to 77% today.
- Long-haul pilots have been using their coughpit power to make political statements to our customers.
- One union leader is even warning customers not to fly Qantas before Christmas, trying to destroy the business that employs his members.
This industrial action is clearly hurting Qantas and our brand.
It is having an impact on our costs and on forward bookings.
But it is not just Qantas and our customers that are affected.
The broader Australian community is hurting as well:
- This strike action affects families on holidays.
- It affects Australian business people who are trying to be productive in a challenging global economy.
- It affects the freight industry transporting Australian goods to the world.
- It affects the taxi-drivers and small businesses that service the airline industry.
- And it batters our tourism sector at a time when it is trying to generate confidence and secure jobs.
IMPACT ON FLEET
Today I regret to announce that ‘go slows’ and overtime bans by the maintenance engineers are now making it difficult to clear maintenance tasks in a timely fashion.
Our Line Maintenance area needs about 15,000 hours per week to maintain our operating fleet in Australia.
We are seeing a shortfall in maintenance capacity of over 1,200 hours per week, or about eight per cent.

This is resulting in a number of aircraft not available for service each day and a general decline in schedule reliability.
This is not a safety concern as problems are addressed before planes fly.
But it is causing ongoing and unplanned disruption to our customers.
Therefore from Monday we will take the step of reducing five lines of flying to reduce the workload in engineering and make the remaining operation more reliable.
That means grounding four narrow-body 737s (out of a fleet of 54) and one wide-body 767 (out of 25) that we use for domestic flying. We will do this for at least one month.
There will be no impact on QantasLink, Jetconnect, and Jetstar.
This will result in a reduction of 97 flights per week, most of this affecting the ports of Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.
QANTAS WORKS WELL WITH UNIONS
I understand that people are wondering why Qantas management can’t just sit down and do a deal with these unions.
Well, that’s exactly what we’d like to do.
We have 15 unions in Qantas and a track record of being positive and flexible in our approach to union negotiations.
Over the past 15 months we’ve reached agreements with unions large and small.
- That includes 7,500 staff members represented by the Australian Services Union.
- An agreement with the Professional Engineers.
- An agreement with the 360 storeworkers represented by the National Union of Workers.
- An in-principle agreement with the Flight Attendants Association of Australia covering more than 2,000 short haul cabin crew.
So in 15 months Qantas has reached agreement with more than 10,000 employees represented by four unions on five Enterprise Agreements - or one-third of the Qantas workforce.
We are a generous employer and we have always been ready to negotiate a fair agreement.
Our TWU staff are the best paid in the country – 12% higher than their equivalents in Virgin Australia.
Our pilots and licensed engineers are among the best compensated in the world with outstanding pay and conditions – with our long-haul pilots, for example, earning 50% more than their peers at Virgin.
BUT THESE THREE UNIONS WANT TO RUN THE COMPANY
So what makes things different with these three unions?
Not only are they seeking pay and conditions that would put us even further beyond our competitors, they want the right to control key elements of how we run the company.
Quite simply these three unions are not representative of the broader union movement.
- They want to be paid to do work that no longer exists due to the advent of new aircraft.
- They want to retain outdated work practices.
- They want to tell us what we can and can’t change.
Effectively they are trying to dictate how we run Qantas – whether it is the pilots’ union demanding the right to dictate pilot pay rates in Jetstar, or the licensed engineers demanding a veto on the modernisation of work practices, or the TWU wanting to limit our use of contractors.
I have made it clear that we urgently need to build a stronger Qantas, one that is stronger for shareholders, better for customers, and gives more secure jobs for our employees.
The unions' mantra is “no offshoring” and “guarantees” of job security.
Qantas is an international business, expanding into Asia. Not one Australian job will go as a result of these plans. In fact, success in Asian markets will help protect jobs in Australia.
Contrary to union statements, 90% of Qantas aircraft maintenance is done in Australia.
In the modern world, no company can promise a job for life. The best way to deliver job security is to have a strong and viable business.
We’ve developed the right five year plan that will provide a platform for this great company to succeed into the future.
To give in to these union demands would guarantee a weaker Qantas, with a real risk to our long term future and all our jobs.
WE ARE READY TO KEEP NEGOTIATING AND DO A DEAL
Make no mistake, we are ready to do fair deals but they must be reasonable.
And they will not involve me handing over ultimate power to three unions.
Yesterday we had discussions with the Transport Workers Union.
We were in conciliation with the pilots’ union before Fair Work Australia on Monday and Tuesday.
With the ALAEA we have tried to set more dates before Fair Work Australia.
So our efforts continue, but instead of calling off their destructive industrial campaign to negotiate, these unions are doing all they can to hurt our business and our brand.
By the end of this week around 60,000 customers will have been affected, with hundreds of flights delayed or cancelled.
And the union leaders have boasted that they intend to keep on ramping up the action and the damage to our company and our brand for the next 12 months.
This is clearly not sustainable.
We urge the unions to drop this industrial campaign and come back with realistic claims for the sake of all Qantas employees, our shareholders and the travelling Australian public.
A couple of final things.
As you know, nothing is more important to us than safety.
The safety of our workforce and our customers, safety on the ground, and safety in the air.
It is our first priority and our guiding principle.
We are always conservative in our approach.
This is a volatile environment and again I urge calm.
We will keep monitoring the situation and take whatever action we think is necessary.
I want to say thank you to our customers for their loyalty.
I’ve been amazed by the messages of support that I’ve personally received.
I appreciate it very much, because I know that is a vote of support for Australia’s Qantas.
And my message to customers is this: keep up your support for Qantas.
We will do all we can to ensure you can rely on your travel plans.
We will move heaven and earth to get you where you want to go, at the time you want to get there, despite the current uncertainty.
I also want to pay tribute to our staff.
They are under a lot of pressure in the current environment - from call centres to cabin crew to airport staff to our operations people – it has been tough on them.
And many of our people have worked in baggage handling and aircraft cleaning to support the company as a contingency workforce during strike action.
They have been magnificent and I thank them for their support for our customers and for Qantas.

Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (0000)
Email: [email protected]
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Too funny.

Humans: 1 Joyce: 0
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Just cancelled our fourth flight with Qantas and rebooked with Virgin. We cannot risk losing $20,000 worth of business while they fight amongst each other. We are starting to accumulate quite a few credit vouchers now. Just sort it out and quit apologising!:evil:

Lucky our status match came through with Virgin so we dont lose ANY benefits. Actually, we are scoring better seats too with Virgin.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Makes me happy I booked 2 flights on CX using my points for Christmas - I had no idea that things were getting so out of control back in AU. The return trips though will be interesting though. . . . . . . .

I truly hope all of this doesn't sink the Flying Kangaroo. It would be nice to see all parties actually *discuss* the current situation as adults, rather than pointing fingers and being recalcitrant. At this rate, by this time next year, we'll be talking about Qantas the way we now talk about Ansett.

To all involved: Get a grip, pull your heads in, talk and do what's best for the company to survive. Personally, I don't want to be paying for another Ansett ballsup just because both sides are too pig-headed to come to an agreement that keeps Qantas in the air.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I was 'disrupted' today.
Got a strange SMS yesterday saying my TSV-BNE flight was delayed to 535am (it's a 555am service). Then later on there was a phone message saying it was early rather than late.

Plane did indeed leave early and got to BNE early (around 715am) in time for the disruption. The BNE-SYD flight was scheduled for 835am but left closer to 9am and was packed. But there was NO catering. We did receive the Red Cross parcel at the gate but as I was on a JASA (and about to hit WP) I was somehow expecting more...:mrgreen:

Anyway got to SYD a little late but no real issues. Got a lot of concerned messages from people who thought I was stuck in QLD. They've been following the media beatups I guess.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Just cancelled our fourth flight with Qantas and rebooked with Virgin.... Just sort it out and quit apologising! :evil:

Lucky our status match came through with Virgin so we dont lose ANY benefits. Actually, we are scoring better seats too with Virgin.
Did the same thing yesterday, already have half a dozen QF domestic bookings for DEC11 (and worried about the "before Xmas comments"), so just purchased a redundant FLEXI from DJ, for a "mission critical" flight, and then (WP) free-upgraded it to A330 J. Will probably not fly QF now on that sector (regardless), and try out the new DJ.

AJ must recant, he MUST find a solution: now is the time to prove he is not an arrogant SOB. IMO the QF board also needs to terminate the chairman ASAP, with future hindsight he will be seen as the problem not the solution!

I think that part of this solution will also necessitate SP to step down from his position in the union, so both sides lose equal amount of "face".


:arrow:What do i want? Solutions NOT coughin'. When do I want it? NOW!:idea:
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

They've been following the media beatups I guess.

It's hardly a beat up.
 
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I was 'disrupted' today.
Got a strange SMS yesterday saying my TSV-BNE flight was delayed to 535am (it's a 555am service). Then later on there was a phone message saying it was early rather than late.

Plane did indeed leave early and got to BNE early (around 715am) in time for the disruption. The BNE-SYD flight was scheduled for 835am but left closer to 9am and was packed. But there was NO catering. We did receive the Red Cross parcel at the gate but as I was on a JASA (and about to hit WP) I was somehow expecting more...:mrgreen:

Anyway got to SYD a little late but no real issues. Got a lot of concerned messages from people who thought I was stuck in QLD. They've been following the media beatups I guess.

Hi warks

Whats the 'red cross parcell'?

m
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I truly hope all of this doesn't sink the Flying Kangaroo. It would be nice to see all parties actually *discuss* the current situation as adults, rather than pointing fingers and being recalcitrant. At this rate, by this time next year, we'll be talking about Qantas the way we now talk about Ansett.

To all involved: Get a grip, pull your heads in, talk and do what's best for the company to survive. Personally, I don't want to be paying for another Ansett ballsup just because both sides are too pig-headed to come to an agreement that keeps Qantas in the air.
For those of us who were too young to know what actually happened at the time, why did Ansett go down?
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

They've been following the media beatups I guess.
I just saw Martin Ferguson give them a right old wack on ABC news - called these comments 'un-Australian' - you still think these are media beat ups?
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

We managed to get through SYD today without issue but on arrival in MEL the TWU 'mob' were making rowdy cough of themselves in the baggage pickup area and we had to wait about an hour for bags. :evil:
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

They said 1000 so far. But you're right, 1000 jobs going OS is acceptable; I think 1200 job losses is the threshold for when it becomes inappropriate; but maybe you can clarify as to what that figure is?
"These people" won't be spited; but you will be delayed. When you are sitting in the airport all alone,bored and angry, just remember not to look across at the VA flights (and best not look in a mirror either).

Seriously, I didn't notice any significant delays nor any angry passengers.

I was 'disrupted' today.
Got a strange SMS yesterday saying my TSV-BNE flight was delayed to 535am (it's a 555am service). Then later on there was a phone message saying it was early rather than late.

Plane did indeed leave early and got to BNE early (around 715am) in time for the disruption. The BNE-SYD flight was scheduled for 835am but left closer to 9am and was packed. But there was NO catering. We did receive the Red Cross parcel at the gate but as I was on a JASA (and about to hit WP) I was somehow expecting more...:mrgreen:

Anyway got to SYD a little late but no real issues. Got a lot of concerned messages from people who thought I was stuck in QLD. They've been following the media beatups I guess.

I wasn't even aware there was any industrial action today until I noticed the departure times of QF flights to CBR had been brought forward. Apparently an early am flight to SYD was cancelled but that was known the day before so a res call out had already been done to advise pax of new flight details.

I have seen much more disruption if there is bad weather down south eg when only one runway is operational in SYD or the recent storms in SYD & MEL.

Passengers travelling on several mid-morning flights (refreshment not breakfast or lunch flights) that were affected by TWU QCatering staff, all received snack on Q bags. The more stoppages the TWU instigate, the more practice the non-TWU labour are getting doing the work of the people on strike.

Looking at the news footage at SYD Airport I didn't see big queues of disrupted people & there may have been one cancelled flight on the departure screen & TWU employees sitting down on the job reading a newspaper while non-TWU staff did their jobs. It could have been any run of the mill file footage of the airport. It was only the concerned voice of a jouro talking about chaos left right & centre that made it more of an issue than it actually was.

A lot of passengers were quite surprised to find their flights were on time because the media beat up on TV had lead them to believe it was total chaos at the airport which was not the case. In fact a lot were concerned for the employees & what effect the strike had on them.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

The Union spokesmen are starting to froth at the mouth. They have their very angry and belligerent faces on. last month they barricaded the pedestrian crossing outside the airport so taxis and cars could not even leave. Anyone else would have been arrested for security concerns alone. Are they looking for a seat in Parliament or something?
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

The unions seem to consistently come off looking like thugs.

I hope my flight to london in november is not disrupted.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Hi warks

Whats the 'red cross parcell'?

m

In the spirit of WW2 prisoners it's the little bag of 'snacks' and water they hand out. You get something similar (but larger) in Y on overnight flights.

My comment about the beat up was that I didn't really see anything major happening and my flight was only slightly late. No major crowds although J lounge was crowded but I thought it must always have been that way.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Seriously, I didn't notice any significant delays nor any angry passengers.
It's wonderful to hear from someone on the ground, that there are no disruptions and it is 100% business as usual. Perhaps this is not so much as a media beat up but a clever ruse from VA?
Well played John B. Well played.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

In the spirit of WW2 prisoners it's the little bag of 'snacks' and water they hand out. You get something similar (but larger) in Y on overnight flights.

My comment about the beat up was that I didn't really see anything major happening and my flight was only slightly late. No major crowds although J lounge was crowded but I thought it must always have been that way.

So you are ok therefore it is a beat up? rightio then, must tell everyone at work today who spent a lot of (wasted) time re-organising everyone's travel plans that were made last week.
 
Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

So you are ok therefore it is a beat up? rightio then, must tell everyone at work today who spent a lot of (wasted) time re-organising everyone's travel plans that were made last week.

Simply my perception in my situation only.
 
We left Mel almost an hour late on the 388 because workers were not available to fill water tanks.
 
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