QF have a PE special to SIN - $1100 each way

[markis10]

Looks like QF have released the PE specials for FRA and as a result have a sale on PE to SIN.

 

[JohnK]

That is the normal price if the airfare is purchased from SIN.

Not really that cheap considering I have just spent ~AUD870 on an open jaw from SIN-BNE/SYD-SIN in economy.

 

[markis10]

That is the normal price if the airfare is purchased from SIN.

Not really that cheap considering I have just spent ~AUD870 on an open jaw from SIN-BNE/SYD-SIN in economy.

John, that was the price ex Aus - comparing it to a fare ex SIN is hardly a comparison of apples with apples. Thats like saying 2K return in J to Asia ex Aus is poor value because you can get the same ex TPE with CX!

 

[medhead]

Yep these fares were there last night. But the don't seem to have any PE loaded for the SIN website yet. At least not when I checked this afternoon.
To FRA that is

 

[dajop]

Price still doesn't do it for me on a 7hr flight to SIN, but obviously does for many.

At the moment MEL-SIN-MEL:
Y (QF) $783
Y+ (QF) $2198
J (EK) $3100

Makes EK look reasonable value over, only 50% more than Y+.

 

[JohnK]

John, that was the price ex Aus - comparing it to a fare ex SIN is hardly a comparison of apples with apples.

Mark I was not being critical. It was actually more a go at QF than anything.

As pointed out by dajop I do not believe the airfare is anything special. Now $1200-$1500 return in premium economy is a totally different story....

 

[blu]

SYD-NRT at $2,000 is just under JL Y+

 

[samh004]

Now $1200-$1500 return in premium economy is a totally different story....

At that rate economy or even discount economy would be about $500-$750, that doesn’t make much sense, or at least, that wont be profitable. :shock:

 

[JohnK]

At that rate economy or even discount economy would be about $500-$750, that doesn’t make much sense, or at least, that wont be profitable. :shock:

Profitable? Not my problem. That is for the airline to work out.

What I can't work out is with Premium Economy you get double the SC's, a 10% cabin bonus and premium economy awards are 50% more than economy. Why is a normal Premium Economy airfare 3-4 times the price of economy?

Personally I value premium economy at 25% more than economy and worst case scenario at 50% more than economy. If an economy airfare SYD-SIN return and booked in Australia is somewhere between $900-$1200 then I can't workout how premium economy for $2200 return is that special. It is still double the normal price for economy. That is great Qantas marketing to call it a special.

Some people may see value in that type of airfare but for ~7 hours of flying I would rather take the $ saving than the premium economy seat. And now I am just ranting again....

 

[dajop]

Personally I value premium economy at 25% more than economy and worst case scenario at 50% more than economy. ....

Some people may see value in that type of airfare but for ~7 hours of flying I would rather take the $ saving than the premium economy seat. And now I am just ranting again....

I tend to agree with the 25-50% mark you are talking about. If I was going to throw away $2.2K on Y+, might as well go whole hog and do $3.1 on J. If looking at it on purely space ground, they certainly don't occupy 2-3x the space of a Y seat.

 

[medhead]

What I can't work out is with Premium Economy you get double the SC's, a 10% cabin bonus and premium economy awards are 50% more than economy. Why is a normal Premium Economy airfare 3-4 times the price of economy?

Personally I value premium economy at 25% more than economy and worst case scenario at 50% more than economy. If an economy airfare SYD-SIN return and booked in Australia is somewhere between $900-$1200 then I can't workout how premium economy for $2200 return is that special. It is still double the normal price for economy. That is great Qantas marketing to call it a special.

Fair enough. But the special is really to do with the release of PE seats to Frankfurt, which is going for $4000 return from Oz. So not too bad compared to the Y fares. But still J FRA-Oz return can be had for about $5500.

 

[extracta]

Emirates bne-sin-bne j $3123

 

[markis10]

Emirates bne-sin-bne j $3123

PE is not available ex BNE to SIN so thats irrelevant, besides you would want to be paying me $3100 to catch an 0200 departure. The Melbourne pricing is much better if other factors besides price and timing are not important, personally I would rather be flying CX J, its cheaper so long as you nest and do two trips a year, at $2500 return all in.

What is a special is always dependant on what your preferences are, which obviously vary, to QF a special is anything below their normal pricing.

 

[RB]

I think in some cases the Y+ fares are increasing because the class has gained in popularity & the airlines an see the opportunity to push them up. There are specials out there but glancing at "standard" Y+ fares on Best Flights does not make good reading.

 

[dajop]

I think in some cases the Y+ fares are increasing because the class has gained in popularity

Which I can understand, some extra legroom and extra width (and some improved food, but really, people aren't buying Y+ seats for a little extra food).

BUT, i do question the worth if still paying 50% more than 2 economy seats, for me if I have an empty seat beside me that makes up for the width and a lot easier to cope with a chronic recliner if you've got somewhere to spread out, plus little chance of being stuck in a middle seat like in Y+.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

I tend to agree with the 25-50% mark you are talking about. If I was going to throw away $2.2K on Y+, might as well go whole hog and do $3.1 on J. If looking at it on purely space ground, they certainly don't occupy 2-3x the space of a Y seat.

Pricing is an art in business.

We may find that Y+ at $2.2 is at that price specifically to make J look more attractive, and that QF don't actually want to sell Y+ for 2.2, but happy if some idiot is willing.

 

[parksie]

PE is not available ex BNE to SIN so thats irrelevant, besides you would want to be paying me $3100 to catch an 0200 departure. The Melbourne pricing is much better if other factors besides price and timing are not important, personally I would rather be flying CX J, its cheaper so long as you nest and do two trips a year, at $2500 return all in.

What is a special is always dependant on what your preferences are, which obviously vary, to QF a special is anything below their normal pricing.

Hi,

I would like to ask about the price in CX J class for $2,500.00?

Can you let me know if this is an actual fare?

Thanks.

 

[v8Statesman]

Hi,

I would like to ask about the price in CX J class for $2,500.00?

Can you let me know if this is an actual fare?

Thanks.

It is a fare from another country back to Australia return (eg. TPE-HKG-PER vv)

There are a few threads about in in Cheap International Airfares